A Witches Brew at the ACLU

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
And now Heartsurgeon's little tour of "liberal stuff I hate" is now complete. He's managed to slam over the course of the past two days: The ACLU, PETA, and The U.N., while simulatenously defending Bush on his tax cuts, DeLay on his ethics scandals, and all things Republican. He's not partisan, he's right. :roll: Oh brother, move over Rush you have some competition.

ACLU - most news is about liberties they are trying to take away
PETE - kill animals and supports terrorism
UN - Failure through corruption

Tax Cuts - Good but needs to cut spending
DeLay - He has to go

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: wirelessenabled

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Gotta love it, if it is "mainstream" religion, Liberals want it banned from the public square.

If it's wacky enough (Satanism, Wiccan) call out the lawyers and defend it..

How about the one where they sacrifice chickens...what's that called...Santeria...yep, lets get some animal sacrifice going to "bless" the public board meeting.

oops, we're back to PETA again, they may not like the Santerian's "use" of chicken.....

What's mainstream? YOUR religion?

Probably Christianity and he probably celebrates Easter and Christmas with all the Pagan addons! You know Easter eggs, Christmas trees, Winter Solstice etc..

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: EatSpam
Hey, if they are going to allow someone to talk about Jesus before a board meetings, they can let her talk about her particular religion.

 

[NeoV]

is it that hard to understand HS?

If this public board is already allowing some form of religous expression before their meeting, they why should someone with a lesser 'religion' not be allowed to do the same?

This isn't a support for my Wiccan brothers and sisters (that's a joke btw), it is simply standing up for what is right.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

Wicca does not involve sacrificing of animals, nor Satanism. It is a nature religion that respects animals.

It's a far less sinister religion than the big ones. People kill others by the dozens, hundreds, even thousands for the "mainstream" religions. I can't think of anyone who's been killed recently for Wicca.

ACLU has a history of sticking up for the underdog who do not have a massive contingent of lawyers already on their side. Mainstream religions have their own organizations to protect them.

You should stop making ridiculous comparisons, and get your facts straight .

Sorry if my characterization of Wiccian's as "wacky" perturbed you. It's my opinion....

I have my facts entirely correct. Santerian's use animal sacifice as an integral part of their "religion".

Gotta love it, the wiccan's are getting lots of love and support on this forum.

i really don't see how you can miss the blatantly obvious point of the artcile.

If YOU can talk about Jesus before the meeting, by law I should be able to talk about vishnu / buddha / whatever.
That's what it comes down to and it's got nothing to do with ACLU, Bush, libruhls, opressing christians or whatver other sensless crap you hear coming out of Hannity's mouth.

OIn the completly tangental point you brought up, how woul you feel if your kids went to a school that had Allah prayers before every class?

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: zendari
The Anti Christian Legal Unit is now pro-religion? Maybe now they can stop lobbying to force gays into churches.

You're so ignorant it's not funny. ACLU defends chirstian pastors all the time. And why should they stop trying for equal access? Should blacks still be excluded from Augustus National and the Rotary Club?

Problem with guys like you is you believe in politics of exclusion and hate vs. equality and cooperation so you'll never understand an organization like the ACLU. I'm preparing another check.


November 9, 2004: ACLU of Nevada defends a Mormon student who was suspended after wearing a T-shirt with a religious message to school.

December 22, 2004: ACLU of New Jersey successfully defends right of religious expression by Christian jurors.

November 20, 2004: ACLU of Nevada supports free speech rights of evangelists to preach on the sidewalks of the strip in Las Vegas

July 10, 2004: Indiana Civil Liberties Union defends the rights of a Baptist minister to preach his message on public streets.

March 25, 2004: ACLU of Washington defends an Evangelical minister's right to preach on sidewalks.

October 28, 2002: ACLU of Pennsylvania files discrimination lawsuit over denial of zoning permit for African American Baptist church.

July 11, 2002: ACLU supports right of Iowa students to distribute Christian literature at school.


And on and on and on ad nausuam

PS that's not to say I agree with them on everything (second amendment stance, abortion advocacy, NAMBLA) but 99% of the time they are all we got when the ugliness of government and society rears it's anti-consititutional head like a ton of bricks on top of the individual or small group.

Why hasn't this thread ended yet. This post says enough.

 

[heartsurgeon]

OIn the completly tangental point you brought up, how woul you feel if your kids went to a school that had Allah prayers before every class?

That's o.k. with me, I'm a Muslim!

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

OIn the completly tangental point you brought up, how woul you feel if your kids went to a school that had Allah prayers before every class?

That's o.k. with me, I'm a Muslim!

LOL, a liberal muslim.

 

[daveshel]

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: zendari
The Anti Christian Legal Unit is now pro-religion? Maybe now they can stop lobbying to force gays into churches.

You're so ignorant it's not funny. ACLU defends chirstian pastors all the time. And why should they stop trying for equal access? Should blacks still be excluded from Augustus National and the Rotary Club?

Problem with guys like you is you believe in politics of exclusion and hate vs. equality and cooperation so you'll never understand an organization like the ACLU. I'm preparing another check.


November 9, 2004: ACLU of Nevada defends a Mormon student who was suspended after wearing a T-shirt with a religious message to school.

December 22, 2004: ACLU of New Jersey successfully defends right of religious expression by Christian jurors.

November 20, 2004: ACLU of Nevada supports free speech rights of evangelists to preach on the sidewalks of the strip in Las Vegas

July 10, 2004: Indiana Civil Liberties Union defends the rights of a Baptist minister to preach his message on public streets.

March 25, 2004: ACLU of Washington defends an Evangelical minister's right to preach on sidewalks.

October 28, 2002: ACLU of Pennsylvania files discrimination lawsuit over denial of zoning permit for African American Baptist church.

July 11, 2002: ACLU supports right of Iowa students to distribute Christian literature at school.


And on and on and on ad nausuam

PS that's not to say I agree with them on everything (second amendment stance, abortion advocacy, NAMBLA) but 99% of the time they are all we got when the ugliness of government and society rears it's anti-consititutional head like a ton of bricks on top of the individual or small group.

Why hasn't this thread ended yet. This post says enough.

I don't think HS understands yet that the cases taken on by the ACLU do not represent the agenda of some monolithic bloc of unified thought. He is listening to Rush instead of looking at the orginazation's history.