A Warning for China***SECOND UPDATE***It's Getting Interesting. lol

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As subtle as it is, this article on banking crises is a subtle warning for China. Despite (and also because) her spetacular year-on-year growth of at least 7%, the chinese enterprise is full of hole. Highly insolvent banks, an over-regulated and highly centralized market, sub-par standards, opaque bookkeeping, and the continued peg to the dollar, makes the Chinese system ready for a catastrophic bust and massive reforms. The Chinese market has been hot for too long. I say its high time for investors to abandon ship and vultures to sharpen their claws. Caveat Emptor.

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Guiding the pack

Regulators should worry less about individual banks and more about systems

IN THE past 20 years or so, banking crises and financial instability have come around with depressing frequency and at considerable cost. According to estimates by the International Monetary Fund, more than a dozen banking crises in the past 15 years have cost the countries afflicted 10% or more of their GDP. Latin America seems to suffer about once a decade. The miracle economies of East Asia were caught in the late 1990s. Not even rich countries are immune, as the Japanese have come to know only too well.

The blame is often?and rightly?laid on macroeconomic policy: an unsustainable exchange rate, poor budgetary control and so forth. Yet bank regulators, too, should do more to ward off crises in the banking system. If they did their job differently, might financial systems and economies be more stable? In a recent paper* Claudio Borio, an economist at the Bank for International Settlements (BIS), argues that they might. Bank regulation, he says, has two basic components. First, there is what he calls a ?microprudential? element. This concentrates on avoiding problems at individual banks, and at protecting depositors when things go wrong. The second, ?macroprudential? component is concerned with stopping the banking system as a whole getting into trouble, and thus with limiting the damage to the economy.

Mr Borio thinks that regulation has hitherto focused too much on the micro and too little on the macro. The main way of keeping banks safe is through international rules, known as the Basel accord, that limit their exposure to risk by stipulating that their capital must at least equal a minimum proportion of their assets (weighted by risk). If banks do get into trouble, depositors' money is insured, up to set limits. That not only protects depositors, but should also dissuade them from withdrawing all their money, and perhaps setting off a systemic crisis, when a bank looks like failing.

One reason for shifting to a more macro footing is the huge economic costs of systemic crises. Although deposit insurance can protect people's savings, it cannot insulate them from the possibly far greater costs of widespread financial distress, such as unemployment. A second reason is that deposit insurance might make bank failures and financial distress more likely, by fostering moral hazard. Knowing that their savings are safe in almost any event, depositors are less likely to monitor how wisely bankers use their money. If bankers believe that regulators will not let their institutions collapse, they may not worry enough about the riskiness of their assets.

A third reason stems from the way in which financial crises happen. One common view is that a crisis starts when a single bank collapses. Trouble then spreads to other banks: maybe those that have lent to it are hit, or maybe a general panic takes hold. This fits in well with the microprudential approach to regulation: stop the trouble happening at one bank, and the system as a whole will be safe. But another way that systemic crises start is when a country's banks are exposed to the same common risks. For example, suppose that they have borrowed a lot of dollars, but most of their loans are to local companies, in local currency. If the dollar appreciates, all the banks will be in a similar pickle. If this scenario is closer to reality, regulators ought to worry more about system-wide risks and less about the balance sheets of individual banks. Mr Borio says that all the biggest recent crises, in Latin America, East Asia and Japan, had their origins in common risks, not in trouble spreading from one or a few blighted banks.

Bother Basel

New rules on bank capital, known as Basel 2, are due to come into force in 2007. But there is a risk that, in one respect at least, Basel 2 will make the system less not more stable. As now, the emphasis will remain on individual banks, not whole systems; and regulators will put more weight on credit ratings in assessing the sturdiness of banks. The trouble is that ratings, along with other measures of the riskiness of banks, such as credit spreads, are cyclical: they look best at the top of a boom, when things are about to turn bad, and worst at the bottom of a slump, when business is about to pick up.

A paper? by Jeffery Amato, another BIS staffer, and Craig Furfine, of the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, finds that rating agencies seldom change their assessments of big companies. However, when ratings do change, they go too far, becoming overly optimistic in upswings and overly pessimistic in downturns. The new rules might thus increase the supply of credit during a boom, helping to fuel the fire, and reduce it in a downturn, impeding recovery.

Mr Borio's macroprudential perspective might suggest that capital requirements should be tightened in upswings and eased in downswings. Macroeconomic policy works in much the same way: built-in fiscal stabilisers automatically adjust taxes so that consumer spending is dampened in booms and encouraged in recessions. Yet a more macroprudential method of regulation is easier to ask for than to deliver, although Mr Borio offers some ideas. He would like to see an explicit distinction between system-wide risks and those peculiar to individual banks. It might also be worth assessing risk over a longer period than just one year, now the standard practice, or raising some banks' capital requirements if their size means that they make a disproportionate marginal contribution to system-wide risk. Steps in this direction might not stop banking crises, but they could help.

 

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When China becomes a superpower (it's only a matter of time), thank the large corporations like Walmart, Motorola, and others who are whoring themselves to the communists. Thanks for taking American jobs away too.
 

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
When China becomes a superpower (it's only a matter of time), thank the large corporations like Walmart, Motorola, and others who are whoring themselves to the communists. Thanks for taking American jobs away too.

your welcome.
seriously, it's better for companies to focus outsource when production is cheaper elsewhere. As for services such as marketing and management, that is ususally domestic. As tempting as it might sound, protectionism never works. In the end, the consumer loses by paying a higher price and complacency sets in. However, if you really want jobs to stay in this country, lobby your local politicians to do away with the minimum wage and other non-business friendly labor systems (such as unions). That should bring back some jobs.
 

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
When China becomes a superpower (it's only a matter of time), thank the large corporations like Walmart, Motorola, and others who are whoring themselves to the communists. Thanks for taking American jobs away too.

your welcome.
seriously, it's better for companies to focus outsource when production is cheaper elsewhere. As for services such as marketing and management, that is ususally domestic. As tempting as it might sound, protectionism never works. In the end, the consumer loses by paying a higher price and complacency sets in. However, if you really want jobs to stay in this country, lobby your local politicians to do away with the minimum wage and other non-business friendly labor systems (such as unions). That should bring back some jobs.

I think most Americans would pay a little more for products made in the USA. The government of China is benefiting from slave labor with hefty checks from American corporations. This money is being used to research and create long distance nuclear weapons that will be pointed at the good ole' USA. The problem seems to be more than production jobs. It's also high skilled jobs that are moving out of this country. What are we seriously going to do when they take away our good jobs to pay someone named Ping $40 a month half way across the world? Their won't even be a consumer then. The only people left will be dishwashers, garbage men, and CEO's. Globalization is not only hurting this country, but every other western country. The only people that gain are stockholders and dictatorships in 3rd world countries.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
When China becomes a superpower (it's only a matter of time), thank the large corporations like Walmart, Motorola, and others who are whoring themselves to the communists. Thanks for taking American jobs away too.

your welcome.
seriously, it's better for companies to focus outsource when production is cheaper elsewhere. As for services such as marketing and management, that is ususally domestic. As tempting as it might sound, protectionism never works. In the end, the consumer loses by paying a higher price and complacency sets in. However, if you really want jobs to stay in this country, lobby your local politicians to do away with the minimum wage and other non-business friendly labor systems (such as unions). That should bring back some jobs.

I think most Americans would pay a little more for products made in the USA. The government of China is benefiting from slave labor with hefty checks from American corporations. This money is being used to research and create long distance nuclear weapons that will be pointed at the good ole' USA. The problem seems to be more than production jobs. It's also high skilled jobs that are moving out of this country. What are we seriously going to do when they take away our good jobs to pay someone named Ping $40 a month half way across the world? Their won't even be a consumer then. The only people left will be dishwashers, garbage men, and CEO's. Globalization is not only hurting this country, but every other western country. The only people that gain are stockholders and dictatorships in 3rd world countries.

for someone who is supposedly liberal, you sound very racist and unintelligent. As supertool said in a thread about jobs going overseas, people that don't want to be replaced should make themselves irreplaceable. You can do that by learning different skills. Arguing for protectionism will hurt the poor nations in terms of no jobs and US consumers, in terms of higher prices.
 

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Job outsourcing is inevitable. It sucks but I hope you guys won't blame people from the 3rd world country for it. Afterall it is not their fault as they get a chance to live slightly better than our "poverty" standard. When you think about it, people go out and buy a nike not blaming Nike make the shoes in sweat shop but blame the workers in the 3rd world country, thats just doesn't sounds right.

If you have seen how union works you will not blame company moving jobs out. I was helping my boss moving some equipment to a tradeshow (SEMICON WEST) to San Jose and the union got a contract to put them into the site. First we have to drive somewhere to fill out a paper work (wait for 1/2 hr), then they told us to drive and wait in another line to weight it, when it is right before us they stop and tell us to come back in 1 hr because they are out for lunch (literally right before us after we waited for 1/2 hour), then after 1 hr we start the line again and they weight it, we drive to an entrance and let the union worker load it to the center of the site so our other employee can install it (we can't haul it in ourselves), then we have to wait in another line so they can weight our car and calculate how much stuff we unload and charge us.

The union got paid 20 bucks an hour for doing things as inefficiently as possible, and we are stuck because they set the rule and we got bent over. This is why our jobs are moving off shore.
 

kage69

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Job outsourcing is inevitable

You have a firm grasp on the obvious. Congrats.

It sucks but I hope you guys won't blame people from the 3rd world country for it. Afterall it is not their fault as they get a chance to live slightly better than our "poverty" standard. When you think about it, people go out and buy a nike not blaming Nike make the shoes in sweat shop but blame the workers in the 3rd world country, thats just doesn't sounds right.

No one is blaming the 3rd World people. My god man, the paragraph has absolutely no correlation to reality! I've heard many people comment on sweatshops in conversation and can't remember a single occasion where disgust and indignation was directed at the workers and not the company fat cats who set up, run, and profit the most from sweatshops. Quit doctoring the topic to make a point that doesn't work.

The union got paid 20 bucks an hour for doing things as inefficiently as possible, and we are stuck because they set the rule and we got bent over. This is why our jobs are moving off shore

Heh, heard that! I am no fan of Unions either. I mean, they've done some good things as far as wages and working conditions, but all that is quickly out the window once you realize how bad job efficiency and work quality takes a nose dive.

American companies shouldn't be this short sighted. Outsourcing is a natural turn for American companies, and the cost of American labor is to blame. I'd rather the companies show some kind of foresight and direct this work to countries who pose less of a future threat and don't rely on slave labor, but then again - that would require all these CEOs to have a collective conscious. Unfortunetly, if all these corporate goons can't even follow tax laws, then I think the chances of them acting out of moral, political awareness is slim to none.
 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: Dari
Unions are the bane of all free-market systems.


I would think that Unions are a necessity in a free market society... for the worker that is...
 

Zebo

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Etech:
You won't there are some people like me who only buy from americans like you:)

Hell my boss has an unwritten rule to never hire a foreign car driver.:p
 

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LOL, American corps are just whores.

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Goldman Sachs signs $1.2bn China bad-loan deal

By Richard McGregor in Shanghai
Published: June 4 2003 12:53 | Last Updated: June 4 2003 13:17


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Goldman Sachs, the US investment bank, has given an important vote of confidence to China, announcing on Wednesday a landmark "strategic partnership" with the mainland's largest bank to dispose of non-performing loans worth up to Rmb10bn ($1.2bn).


Hank Paulson, chairman and chief executive of Goldman Sachs, became one of the first important western financial figures to visit China since the Sars outbreak when he signed off on the deal in Beijing.

He said he hoped the venture would mark the beginning of a "long-term relationship" with the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China (ICBC), which has assets of about US$600bn and a non-performing loan ratio of 24 per cent.

Both Goldman Sachs and a Morgan Stanley-led consortium have previously formed joint ventures with Huarong, an asset management company created to dispose of parcels of ICBC's non-performing loans.

However, the venture announced on Wednesday is the first between a foreign institution and a Chinese bank.

The announcement said the joint venture would take on bad loans from ICBC worth Rmb8bn-Rmb10bn, but made no mention of how it would value the portfolio, or the expected rate of return.

China has been slow to tackle bad debts, worried that large discounts on book values could devalue the whole state sector.

After announcing their deals with Huarong, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley took more than a year to get approval for joint-venture structures.

Goldman Sachs has placed great import on this latest deal, saying that its executives had continued to travel to Beijing to negotiate it in the past three months at the height of the Sars epidemic.

"This is a very important market for Goldman Sachs and we are more commited than ever to China," Mr Paulson said.

As well as deepening Goldman Sachs' knowledge of Chinese banking and the bad-debt market, the deal is also an important relationship builder for the US investment bank.

"They might hope to become a financial adviser to ICBC and later even underwrite any listing," said Yuan Mingliang, a Shanghai-based analyst.

China's big state banks are in the early stages of restructuring to prepare themselves for partial listings both at home and offshore. Liu Mingkang, chairman of the new China Banking Regulatory Commission, last week said the big four would have to intensify efforts to recover non-performing loans.
 

Dari

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The Chinese simply aren't listening. Like the Japanese in the 1980s and the East Asians, Russians, and South Americans in the late 1990s. They are risking the lives and employment of tens of millions of people. If they want to play with the big boys, they better know the game very well. Speculative action and re-assessment of investments, not unlike Argentina are in the cards. Should there be a major crisis in the next couple of years, the chinese could be seriously phucked. By continuing to peg the yuan to the dollar, like her southern neighbors, for such a big economy is extremely dangerous.

Once things start heading south, all of China is up for grabs. The vultures are starting to sharpen their claws for the only thing between them and the carcass is time.


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Pressure mounts on China's yuan

Concern is mounting that the Chinese currency, the yuan, may be misaligned, threatening the stability of the global economy.

US Treasury Secretary John Snow is to travel to Beijing next week to express his government's concern that the yuan may be dangerously undervalued.

On Wednesday, the US National Association of Manufacturers (NAM) argued that the dollar was 15% overvalued, and particularly blamed the cheap yuan for causing job losses in American factories.

The yuan is pegged at about 8.3 in the dollar, a rate the NAM said was up to 40% undervalued, giving China's exporters an unfair advantage and making its imports expensive.

Many economists argue that China should allow the yuan to float freely on international markets, or at least should rethink the value of its dollar peg.

Money, money, money

The obvious sign of the undervaluation of the yuan, say observers, is China's swelling national accounts.

The country's dramatic success in export markets has made it a magnet for foreign currency; in July alone, its foreign-exchange reserves jumped $10bn to almost $360bn.

At the same time, the US has started to record a gigantic trade and current-account deficit with regard to China, something that has aroused considerable political anger.

The situation is analagous to the 1980s, when a similar external position with then-booming Japan sparked a flurry of complaint.

This time, the problem is more widespread: although China is the biggest target, US manufacturers see most major Asian currencies are undervalued.

No complaints here

There are few signs that an appeal from Mr Snow will have any effect in Beijing, however.

Within China, there is little complaint or comment about the exchange rate.

Indeed, most Chinese firms and policy makers have welcomed the cheap yuan, seeing it as helping to underpin the country's long economic boom.

Despite its increasing involvement in international agencies such as the World Trade Organisation, China is still reluctant to fall into line on economic policy.

And some independent economists have said that China would be rash to let the yuan float too soon.

Freeing the exchange rate would necessitate sweeping monetary liberalisation, which would almost certainly result in an influx of speculative investment capital - the sort of "hot money" that helped cause the pan-Asian financial crisis of 1997-98.

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ElFenix

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife

I think most Americans would pay a little more for products made in the USA.

they tried that. had a marketing campaign and all. it failed. miserably.
 

rchiu

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Originally posted by: Dari
The Chinese simply aren't listening. Like the Japanese in the 1980s and the East Asians, Russians, and South Americans in the late 1990s. They are risking the lives and employment of tens of millions of people. If they want to play with the big boys, they better know the game very well. Speculative action and re-assessment of investments, not unlike Argentina are in the cards. Should there be a major crisis in the next couple of years, the chinese could be seriously phucked. By continuing to peg the yuan to the dollar, like her southern neighbors, for such a big economy is extremely dangerous.

Once things start heading south, all of China is up for grabs. The vultures are starting to sharpen their claws for the only thing between them and the carcass is time.

The whole Chinese economic boom is based on Yuan pegging to US dollar. Yuan has not revalued since mid 1990's and that's the reason why Chinese labor and goods are so cheap. Chinese government knows that and they won't give up this advantage so easily, especially when they are facing many social problems like unemployment and huge gaps betwee the rich and the poor.

I doubt there will be any speculative actions against Yuan anytime soon because the currency is so illiquid. Every body with any knowledge on Chinese currency policy knows that Yuan is seriously undervalued and if there is anyway to take advantage of that, someone already has.

What I am wondering is, how the heck WTO let Chinese into the organization without addressing this fundamental unfair practice by the Chinese government. I guess as long as other countries like US can benefit from cheap labor and goods Chinese provide, and a shot at their huge market, they will let anything go.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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China has been around for thousands and thousands of years. I suspect that when the US is dust in the wind, China will still be there. China has gone through good and bad times, but always has been China. They survived tyrants, foreign invaders, they will survive communism, and will survive the US. The reports of their imminent demise are greatly exaggerated.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: Dari
The Chinese simply aren't listening. Like the Japanese in the 1980s and the East Asians, Russians, and South Americans in the late 1990s. They are risking the lives and employment of tens of millions of people. If they want to play with the big boys, they better know the game very well. Speculative action and re-assessment of investments, not unlike Argentina are in the cards. Should there be a major crisis in the next couple of years, the chinese could be seriously phucked. By continuing to peg the yuan to the dollar, like her southern neighbors, for such a big economy is extremely dangerous.

Once things start heading south, all of China is up for grabs. The vultures are starting to sharpen their claws for the only thing between them and the carcass is time.

The whole Chinese economic boom is based on Yuan pegging to US dollar. Yuan has not revalued since mid 1990's and that's the reason why Chinese labor and goods are so cheap. Chinese government knows that and they won't give up this advantage so easily, especially when they are facing many social problems like unemployment and huge gaps betwee the rich and the poor.

I doubt there will be any speculative actions against Yuan anytime soon because the currency is so illiquid. Every body with any knowledge on Chinese currency policy knows that Yuan is seriously undervalued and if there is anyway to take advantage of that, someone already has.

What I am wondering is, how the heck WTO let Chinese into the organization without addressing this fundamental unfair practice by the Chinese government. I guess as long as other countries like US can benefit from cheap labor and goods Chinese provide, and a shot at their huge market, they will let anything go.

Like the FT article said, most of those exporting from China to US are US-owned. That alone gives us a powerful hand in the chinese economy. The problem with the chinese is that they think they control everything coming out of china. They don't. When the time comes, re-assessment will give them the "shock and awe" so many were waiting for during the Iraqi Campaign.

As for the WTO, I think they agreed with the chinese that this issue would be dealt with later on in the future. Snow is trying to push the future up sooner.
 

Fencer128

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Hi,

My graduate fiancee used to earn minimum wage in a hard working job. She moved to another job and also up a little - now earning a little more, but in a highly stressed job.

In the first job the company would have liked to pay her f*ck all if they could. They begrudged her even the minimum wage - trying all the tricks they could to force her to work longer, harder hours and generally making her life hell.

The new company pay her more - but still not much - for a much more demanding and stressful job. They also engineer her hours and workload so she's working unpaid overtime so it's technically not "overtime".

Neither of the above jobs have a union.

My girlfriend is not work shy, lazy or failing to try to get another post.

I hate to think what it would be like without a minimum wage. I *wish* these guys got themselves a union. Contrary to some of the stuff spouted on this thread - the employer isn't always the poor victim in this.

Andy
 

rchiu

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Originally posted by: Dari
Like the FT article said, most of those exporting from China to US are US-owned. That alone gives us a powerful hand in the chinese economy. The problem with the chinese is that they think they control everything coming out of china. They don't. When the time comes, re-assessment will give them the "shock and awe" so many were waiting for during the Iraqi Campaign.

You are assuming that corporate America will listen to what the US government wants them to do, but in reality, it is the other way around. Corporate America owns the US government, and there is no way they will sacrifice their profitability just so American people will be better off. As long as Chinese market provides them with cheap labor and fat margin, and dangling in front the them 1.2+ billions of possible shoppers, Corporate America will be more than happy to do whatever Chinese government wants.

I doubt the US political system, with politicians swimming in the corporate donations, will have the guts to take tough actions that could damage the perfect relationship that Chinese and Corporate America have now.


 

Dari

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Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: Dari
Like the FT article said, most of those exporting from China to US are US-owned. That alone gives us a powerful hand in the chinese economy. The problem with the chinese is that they think they control everything coming out of china. They don't. When the time comes, re-assessment will give them the "shock and awe" so many were waiting for during the Iraqi Campaign.

You are assuming that corporate America will listen to what the US government wants them to do, but in reality, it is the other way around. Corporate America owns the US government, and there is no way they will sacrifice their profitability just so American people will be better off. As long as Chinese market provides them with cheap labor and fat margin, and dangling in front the them 1.2+ billions of possible shoppers, Corporate America will be more than happy to do whatever Chinese government wants.

I doubt the US political system, with politicians swimming in the corporate donations, will have the guts to take tough actions that could damage the perfect relationship that Chinese and Corporate America have now.

You're right. But this is what corporate america, myself included, wants the US government to do. This is hurting our competition in China. If the chinese won't listen, there can/will be harsh punishments for them.
 

Dari

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The heat is on, fellas. Since the Chinese don't want to take prudent steps to make their insolvent banks more solvent and currency more credible via hard work, we are going to force their hands (and that of the Bush Administration's as well). This is getting interesting by the minute. It's like a soap-opera for folks like me.
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-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------US bosses step up China yuan row

A powerful industrial lobbying group is calling on the US government to take China to the World Trade Organisation (WTO) over its fixed exchange rate policy.

The National Association of Manufacturers (NAM) has said it plans to file a trade complaint with the US Trade Representative, which would force trade officials to consider an official response.

The Bush administration would have to decide whether to take the filing to the next stage by making a complaint of unfair trade practices to the WTO.

China is facing growing criticism from trade partners, led by the United States, that its imports are artificially cheap because its currency is pegged to the US dollar at the wrong rate.

Election issue

The Chinese currency is pegged at 8.3 yuan to $1. Critics believe the yuan should be allowed to float, with some economists saying about 5 yuan to the dollar would more realistic.

America's trade unions and manufacturers blame cheap Chinese imports for destroying US jobs.

Calls for a revaluation of the yuan are gathering steam in the build up to the 2004 US presidential election.

The Bush Administration is keen to win blue collar votes from traditionally Democrat-supporting manufacturing districts.

China racked up a trade surplus with the US of $103bn in 2002, overtaking Japan as the country with the largest surplus.

US Treasury Secretary John Snow called on China to revalue its currency during a recent visit.

Building pressure

Chinese officials initially rejected the idea but later conceded that a revaluation made sense, though they were careful not to say when.
NAM President Jerry Jasinowski said that by throwing its weight behind other groups in a trade complaint - known as a Section 301 filing - the NAM would "demonstrate broad-based support for the (Bush) Administration's efforts to force China to play by the rules".

"They are trying to send a signal as much to the Chinese as to us," the Financial Times quoted Grant Aldonas, US Undersecretary for Commerce as saying.

US lawmakers also stepped up pressure on the Bush Administration by lodging a Congressional resolution on Wednesday accusing China of "illegal currency manipulation".

The resolution said that unfair exchange rates from China and other East Asian countries had cost 2.7 million US manufacturing jobs since 2000 by undercutting US goods and luring away investment.

Unpredictable Outcome
A Section 301 filing could ultimately lead to WTO sanctions against China, if the trade umpire agreed that the currency peg was unfairly distorting trade.

But some economists have warned that a revaluation of the yuan might be harmful to US consumers, who benefit from cheap Chinese goods. Retailer Wal-Mart, for instance, imports more than $10bn of goods a year from China.

US firms with factories in China would also suffer if the market for their exports dried up or investments became more expensive.

The most dramatic scenario envisaged by economists is that a freely floating, internationally tradable Chinese currency could lead to massive capital flight from China, bringing down its rickety banking system and sparking social unrest.

Meanwhile, IMF chief economist Ken Rogoff on Thursday urged Asian nations to let their currencies rise gradually to help the US avoid a sharp fall in the dollar brought about by its trade deficit.





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