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A/V Buffs - Whats better than Sony SXRD HDTV's?

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CocoGdog

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I saw a product demonstration of the 2006 Sony SXRD HDTV series at Circuit City. In my opinion, Sony has the clearest 1080p HDTV's on the market - better than Pioneer or Samsung.
 
SXRD is the best current HD technology in terms of image quality IMO. SED is supposed to look even better, but I haven't seen it demo'ed yet. Supposedly SED combines CRT image quality with plasma/LCD-style flatscreen packaging.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
tough call.

The JVC uses the same technology (LCOS) and LCOS is normally on par with a good plasma.
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I think the JVC D-ILA sets look nice, but not nearly as nice as Sony's LCoS implementation. IMO both look better than plasma.
 
I have the previous generation SXRD line and I totally agree. But it still has its flaws like all the other technologies. Things I've notice are that some sets suffer from the infamous "green blob effect" and minor color banding. People also tend to notice the silk screen effect but I don't. Despite all these flaws I really enjoy mine and 1080i on it is just freaking awesome.
 
Originally posted by: DonVito

I think the JVC D-ILA sets look nice, but not nearly as nice as Sony's LCoS implementation. IMO both look better than plasma.
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Heh, you don't want to know what my next TV is gonna be. Just about ready. Toss up between a 65" plasma or 73" SXRD. Leaning SXRD. Need to take some demo material/patterns to be sure.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: DonVito

I think the JVC D-ILA sets look nice, but not nearly as nice as Sony's LCoS implementation. IMO both look better than plasma.
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Heh, you don't want to know what my next TV is gonna be. Just about ready. Toss up between a 65" plasma or 73" SXRD. Leaning SXRD. Need to take some demo material/patterns to be sure.
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Hey, to each his own. I haven't extensively viewed the 1080p plasmas - maybe I'd like them better. I have just disliked the screen-door effect I see on 720p/768p plasma TVs, which leads to jaggies for me. Personally I like both SXRD and DLP quite a bit better than plasma.

Honestly I didn't know they were making a 73" SXRD set now - that is one big TV! I have seen the 70" Qualia SXRD, which looks great.
 
Originally posted by: DonVito
Hey, to each his own. I haven't extensively viewed the 1080p plasmas - maybe I'd like them better. I have just disliked the screen-door effect I see on 720p/768p plasma TVs, which leads to jaggies for me. Personally I like both SXRD and DLP quite a bit better than plasma.

Honestly I didn't know they were making a 73" SXRD set now - that is one big TV! I have seen the 70" Qualia SXRD, which looks great.
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Well that's the thing, when you get into a larger screen/display the screen door effect becomes readily apparent. Another reason why 1080p displays will reign supreme.

But I do agree, I've always LOVED the color/blacks of SXRD over anything else.
 
I would get an expertly calibrated CRT RPTV. I've seen all the different technologies up close and I don't like any of them. LCOS or Plasma (a good plasma) is the best of the newer tech.
 
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Why but 1080 tech now? Why not wait a year or two when Blue Ray is actually out and the varous technologies improve?
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Because then I couldn't enjoy a super large HD screen today. That's why. I've waited 2 years to purchase another HD display and the time is ripe. I saw a SXRD projector about 3.5 years ago and it was jaw dropping.

The 1080p ones are even better and much cheaper. Just about everything out there is 1080. We knew it was coming, and it has arrived. Praise lord AV, it has arrived!!!!!
 
*DISCLAIMER* I'm a Mitsubishi dealer. Mitsubishi (and I would assume Samsung and other DLP manufacturers) is showing its dealers the results of a study conducted by a third party tresting lab for Texas Instruments.

The study was specifically focused on the longevity of the SXRD engine. They haven't released of the study yet, but I've seen the results.

They bought seven SXRD TVs.

One set was allowed to run for 2000 hours straight.
Three were run in a 9.5 hour on/2.5 hour off cycle until the lamp reached 2000 hours.
Three were run in a 3.5 hour on/2.5 hour off cycle until the lamp reached 2000 hours.

2.5 hours of off time is more than adequate for the light engine to reach room tempurature. (At that point it doesnt matter if it's off for another 24 hours... the core tempurature of the light engine will still be the same.) Both on/off tests were designed to simulate different viewing habits.

After all three sets had reached 2000 hours the lamps were replaced and the pictures evaluated.

On every television and on all three sample groups the blue element of the light engine corroded and the pictures were significantly yellowed. The 9.5/2.5 group faired the worst but all were visibly deteriorated.

When a blue field was piped into the sets, all showed obvious corruption of the blue panel. Some displayed total failure on some portions of the blue panel. (black splotches)

I have a three year old Mitsubishi LCOS television (Alpha) on my floor that is exhibiting a similar problem. The blue decay isn't uniform but there are yellow splotches on the screen and a blue field reveals the spots where the blue element of the light engine is corroding. This TV has about 3000 hours on it.

In short... LCOS/SXRD look great when you get them but they don't age well.
 
Originally posted by: DonVito
SXRD is the best current HD technology in terms of image quality IMO. SED is supposed to look even better, but I haven't seen it demo'ed yet. Supposedly SED combines CRT image quality with plasma/LCD-style flatscreen packaging.
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Uh..SXRD and SED aren't even comparable.

SED will undoubtedly beat everything on the market in terms of IQ, unless that new laser stuff comes out.
 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
*DISCLAIMER* I'm a Mitsubishi dealer. Mitsubishi (and I would assume Samsung and other DLP manufacturers) is showing its dealers the results of a study conducted by a third party tresting lab for Texas Instruments.

The study was specifically focused on the longevity of the SXRD engine. They haven't released of the study yet, but I've seen the results.

They bought seven SXRD TVs.

One set was allowed to run for 2000 hours straight.
Three were run in a 9.5 hour on/2.5 hour off cycle until the lamp reached 2000 hours.
Three were run in a 3.5 hour on/2.5 hour off cycle until the lamp reached 2000 hours.

2.5 hours of off time is more than adequate for the light engine to reach room tempurature. (At that point it doesnt matter if it's off for another 24 hours... the core tempurature of the light engine will still be the same.) Both on/off tests were designed to simulate different viewing habits.

After all three sets had reached 2000 hours the lamps were replaced and the pictures evaluated.

On every television and on all three sample groups the blue element of the light engine corroded and the pictures were significantly yellowed. The 9.5/2.5 group faired the worst but all were visibly deteriorated.

When a blue field was piped into the sets, all showed obvious corruption of the blue panel. Some displayed total failure on some portions of the blue panel. (black splotches)

I have a three year old Mitsubishi LCOS television (Alpha) on my floor that is exhibiting a similar problem. The blue decay isn't uniform but there are yellow splotches on the screen and a blue field reveals the spots where the blue element of the light engine is corroding. This TV has about 3000 hours on it.

In short... LCOS/SXRD look great when you get them but they don't age well.
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Interesting information, thanks for the feedback.

The one nice thing about plasma and LCD technology is that they've had several generations to mature and improve, while LCOS and SXRD are still in their relative infancy.
 
I guess I'll also point out that THIS is another reason why the newest generation of DLP is better than any other technology out there. Another representation Third image

The image is a map of visible light. The three connected points represent the standard for RGB in an NTSC/ATSC television. Properly calibrated TVs that utillize red, blue and green to fabricate color can create any color inside the triangle. They cannot create a color that lies out of the triangle.

The current crop of DLP engines no longer limit themselves to RGB. Samsung has added Cyan and Yellow to its engine and Mitsubishi has added Cyan, Yellow and Magenta. CYM are the opposite colors of RGB. In effect, this technology creates a lopsided hexagon that gives the TV access to more colors. (You'll have to imagine figure as I can't find a similar representation of the NTSC image I linked)

In addition to a larger color pallette and access to MORE colors, the current generation of DLP has amazing black levels. Better than anything I've ever seen outside of CRT. Better than any LCOS set I've seen. Way better than any plasma or LCD.

As of right now, the best picture you can buy is DLP.

SED is a promising technology but until they hit the market I'm not sure that they count. OLED is another up and comer. But again... It's not a product yet.
 
No offense Whoozyerdaddy,

But that "test" was performed by the makers of DLP. I know enough to smell rat right there.

All manufacturers, of any technology, regardless of industry have "3rd party" tests performed to make themselves look better.

<---owner of 65" mits HDTV, love it....want to replace it due to it's WAY too many limitations.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
No offense Whoozyerdaddy,

But that "test" was performed by the makers of DLP. I know enough to smell rat right there.

All manufacturers, of any technology, regardless of industry have "3rd party" tests performed to make themselves look better.

<---owner of 65" mits HDTV, love it....want to replace it due to it's WAY too many limitations.
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I reacted the same way when my rep showed it to me. Then I took a close look at my Mits Alpha. (LCOS) It's having the exact same problem detailed in the test. It's not as pronounced with the yellowing but it's there. Also, there are obvious sections of the picture where the blue has corroded faster than the screen as a whole. Its a real phenomenon.

The TI test likely created results a little faster than real life, but the deterioriation is real.

Also, the SXRD engine is a modyfied LCOS so it may actually deteriorate that fast.
 
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: DonVito
SXRD is the best current HD technology in terms of image quality IMO. SED is supposed to look even better, but I haven't seen it demo'ed yet. Supposedly SED combines CRT image quality with plasma/LCD-style flatscreen packaging.
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Uh..SXRD and SED aren't even comparable.

SED will undoubtedly beat everything on the market in terms of IQ, unless that new laser stuff comes out.
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I want a <Dr Evil> laser </Dr Evil> TV.
 
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