A thread for Amish

[MrGrim]

Originally posted by: Pariah
My point was that that was in the vicinity of the Ti4600 quite often so there was hope for other resolutions and settings.

Oh OK, well I replied to that already.

As far as 40fps goes, that is more than acceptable in flight sims where reaction time and speed reflexes aren't of any use.

No sorry, for me an average of 40FPS is never acceptable. Especially when the card costed $400.

It didn't do well in that one test, that doesn't mean it still didn't have the best overall 3D IQ. There is more evidence to back up Matrox's pedigree in IQ here than not.

Er ... I'm not sure if you meant to write what you wrote. If you did then you most certainly didn't think about it long enough. If somebody says that something is perfect you don't have to prove that it is completely crap, all you have to do is find one aspect in which it lacks.

The two major factors in 3D IQ is AA and AF. Some people like to use AA others like AF, some like both. The bottom line is that the Parhelia does not have the best AF, actually it's pretty bad compared to nVidia's and ATI's implementation.

Extremetech had some rudimentary benchmarks and some impressions of the experience.

Just read that. If I understand correctly there are two ways of doing things, either stretch the current image or render three different ones. I'm sorry but I think stretching the image across 3 screens sounds even worse than crappy FPS.

 

[grant2]

Yeah, and we all know that Anand is psychic and god's gift to computer hardware.

Et tu, brutus?

In toms parhelia review thread you sure seemed to think Anand is competent to discuss computer hardware; to quote:

"Even our fearless leader Anand admitted that Matrox is top dog in 2D."

Seems to me you only consider people competent (or fearless leaders) when their views happen to support your preexisting biases....

 

[BD231]

I don't hear you guys complaining the R8500 is "dog slow"

Whats there to complain about? It's just over $100 bucks!! I looked at the screenshot's between the GF4 and Parhelia and the GF4 AF was for sure better. There is no way this card can justify a $400 dollar price tag. God how times change. Just a few months ago all you guy's were complaining about was how expensive the "latest and greatest" video card's costed, and the hardware actually HAD advantages!. This is getting nuts, any sane gamer would never touch this card.

 

[Pariah]

"Er ... I'm not sure if you meant to write what you wrote. If you did then you most certainly didn't think about it long enough. If somebody says that something is perfect you don't have to prove that it is completely crap, all you have to do is find one aspect in which it lacks."

I was unware anyone made the claim it had "perfect" 3D image quality. It doesn't, but you don't have to be perfect to be the best. Your original quote used excellent, and from all the reviews it has at least that. It is not the best in the one feature you mentioned, but that does not eliminate it from having the best IQ overall.

 

[human2k]

Originally posted by: FishTankX

Sure, it's not a Ti4200 killer, but it's feature rich, it provides all of Matrox's extras, and it'll play any modern game at reasonable settings. Why do you people continue to bash the card?

For everyone who thinks paying $400 (add tax and shipping and your at $500 easily ) for a card that performs like a $99 radeon 8500LE card....lemme ask you this: WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING AND WHY AREN'T YOU SHARING???????????

 

[Electric Amish]

Originally posted by: human2k

Originally posted by: FishTankX

Sure, it's not a Ti4200 killer, but it's feature rich, it provides all of Matrox's extras, and it'll play any modern game at reasonable settings. Why do you people continue to bash the card?

For everyone who thinks paying $400 (add tax and shipping and your at $500 easily ) for a card that performs like a $99 radeon 8500LE card....lemme ask you this: WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING AND WHY AREN'T YOU SHARING???????????

My pre-order was $415 with shipping.

amish

 

[NeilPeart]

I understand Amish's justifications. The Parhelia is feature-packed and, if it follows its G400, G450, G550, will have the best 2D and dual-head capabilities. However, for the average gamer, the card doesn't offer $400 of performance. I was actually considering purchasing the card in the future, but I will now wait for more solid drivers (not for stability, as that was reportedly excellent - for improved performance) before I make a decision. While the Parhelia may offer competitive performance with future games, the upcoming R300 and NV30 will probably trounce it in those very games. If I were to recommend a good gaming card it would be the Ti4200/Ti4400 or Radeon 8500. I'm glad that Matrox has returned to the 3D market, but I fear they are already a step behind in performance. Hopefully, enhanced drivers will help Parhelia's performance, but right now it is not on the top of my list (nor that of the average gamer), but that is not its intended market anyway. No one is grilling Electric Amish; they are simply disappointed with the Parhelia's lower-than-expected performance. It didn't live up to its own hype.

 

[herbage11]

It's paradise here (not my mother land...I'm from the US). I haven't seen a cloud in over a week. The water here is clearer than in most swimming pools. And, there are more hotties from Sweden than I can possibly count. Oh, and did I mention the food? I can get a grilled leg-of-lamb, salad, fries, bread, and wine for $6.

Dang that sounds great.

 

[littlegohan]

What is the purpose of this thread? To comfort amish's poor decision of wasting 400 bucks?




Surround gaming lol
Guess how much 3 monitors (good one) is going to cost you
15fps, is pretty much unplayable.

 

[galt]

$415? If I had a girlfriend as loyal as you are to Matrox, I'd be set for life. =)

 

[Electric Amish]

Originally posted by: galt
$415? If I had a girlfriend as loyal as you are to Matrox, I'd be set for life. =)

If you had a GF period....

amish

 

[bluemax]

Originally posted by: bdog231
I don't hear you guys complaining the R8500 is "dog slow"

Whats there to complain about? It's just over $100 bucks!! I looked at the screenshot's between the GF4 and Parhelia and the GF4 AF was for sure better. There is no way this card can justify a $400 dollar price tag. God how times change. Just a few months ago all you guy's were complaining about was how expensive the "latest and greatest" video card's costed, and the hardware actually HAD advantages!. This is getting nuts, any sane gamer would never touch this card.

Perhaps you stopped reading the post as soon as you saw the "dog slow" comment. I DID continue on....
The pincher was that for $100 there was no reason NOT to go for a R8500 or such, provided you have no need for the features Matrox offers. Then finished with the line, "Gamers only need not apply."
So I guess I'm in the clear.