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A thought just occurred

shortylickens

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The EXACT same people who threatened to pull their kids out of school if an HIV infected student was in class are now saying they have a constitutional right to not wear face masks in public.

I guess that's the same kind of hypocrisy or disconnect it takes to both worship Jesus Christ and despise your fellow man.
 

sportage

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I like "A thought just occurred" posts. Kinda like connecting the dots comparing two different issues or events. As with a cop shooting a unarmed black guy seven times vs a Trump thug carrying an assault weapon then killing two people while in the second case the cops don't shoot and allow the "white guy" to walk around assault weapon still in hand. There is a comparison.
 

sportage

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PS. There is no logical reasoning with this people you mentioned, only excuses. They have only lame excuses as in quoting the constitution. And when they run out of excuses and lame comparisons, they resort to making things up out of thin air. Remember we're dealing with Trumpies here.... Nuff said?
 

fskimospy

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At the time, HIV was a death sentence. If you have no other morbidity's, covid isn't serious at all.
COVID is most certainly serious regardless of whether you have comorbidities. It can have bad long term effects even if you have a mild case.


Not only that but unlike HIV, COVID is highly contagious and so when you get it, you have a good chance of passing it to your friends and family members who may not be so lucky.

People who refuse to wear masks without some medical reason they can’t are bad people. Period.
 

shortylickens

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At the time, HIV was a death sentence. If you have no other morbidity's, covid isn't serious at all.
Not serious unless you spread it around to millions of people simply by breathing anywhere near them and then they die off.

WHY DO YOU KEEP MISSING THE POINT?
 

Greenman

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Not serious unless you spread it around to millions of people simply by breathing anywhere near them and then they die off.

WHY DO YOU KEEP MISSING THE POINT?
I don't miss it, it's just that it's more of the same "we're so much better than them". That's the P&N mantra, and I wonder who you're trying to convince.
 
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Covid is a weird virus. I've seen some unhealthy, one foot in the grave type, old, etc survive this thing with nothing more than cold/ flu like symptoms.
Heard of a few dead too.
 

eelw

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Yeah a few cases of people over 100 recovering. But surviving both 1918 Spanish flu and now covid.
 

MtnMan

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At the time, HIV was a death sentence. If you have no other morbidity's, covid isn't serious at all.
Yea, but with HIV you had to have gay sex, and it took a year or so to die. COVID you only have to go to the grocery store for food, and you are dead in a week or so.

HIV didn't go through a grade school like a dose of salts, then taken home to share with the family and grandparents.
 

MrSquished

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It's apparently not good for your heart, even if you are young and asymptomatic. Took out a Red Sox pitcher for the season:

 

MtnMan

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It's apparently not good for your heart, even if you are young and asymptomatic. Took out a Red Sox pitcher for the season:

How is that possible, according to the orange menace, it is just the sniffles for 99% of the people.
 

Moonbeam

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I don't miss it, it's just that it's more of the same "we're so much better than them". That's the P&N mantra, and I wonder who you're trying to convince.
If you had a bit more real self respect, say like that egotistical Moonbeam, you might not feel so bad about people saying they are better than you. Take my example: The idea that somebody is superior to Moonbeam is absurd and he wouldn't even react to such a claim much less need to invent some absurd rationalization to pretend otherwise, like Covid19 and HIV having differing means of transmission and different mortality rates makes the ideological relevance of the two diseases to the Republican party, hysterical avoidance in one case and indifference to risk in the other, rationally justifiable. It's ideologically driven bull shit and people who don't engage in just dangerous alternate reality thinking certainly ARE better.

It takes a real egotist, in my opinion, to fancy oneself so important as to imagine that other people form opinions themselves about disease risk just to make others feel bad. You joined the discussion already feeling put down and bad and project that everywhere. I'm not fucking better than you and I want people wearing masks so that people like you that I want the best for in life not to die from Covid19. Sorry, but I care for you and I have the balls to continue to do so regardless of how much that may displease you. Be good.
 
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zinfamous

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At the time, HIV was a death sentence. If you have no other morbidity's, covid isn't serious at all.

yes, and they were also worried about catching that death sentence from sharing a toilet seat or a soda.

you know, again, the same people that don't think the same way about covid...for some fucked-up shit in their skulls reason.
 

nickqt

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I don't miss it, it's just that it's more of the same "we're so much better than them". That's the P&N mantra, and I wonder who you're trying to convince.
Right-wing authoritarians compartmentalize contradicting facts. This is how cognitive dissonance is avoided, and previous beliefs allowed to continue despite having all of the facts.

1. COVID is a disease that has led to close to 200,000 excess deaths in the past 6 months in the US alone. Never mind the rest of the world.

2. COVID can cause chronic long-term conditions due to its affect on the circulatory system and clotting. The disease is so new, we're not even sure about all of the chronic conditions it can cause, and how they can be there even if a person isn't symptomatic with those new chronic conditions.

3. Children can catch COVID as easy as anyone else, and are more contagious, but because they don't develop Pneumonia, they're actually safer than everyone else, at least in the short-term sense of showing symptoms during and after.

4. COVID is no big deal if you're young, perfectly healthy, and aren't unlucky enough to die from it for whatever reason that some young healthy people do die from it.

All of the above are equally true. But put together, that information allows you to infer that COVID isn't some normal seasonal cold, and is very dangerous because it kills a lot of people, and causes chronic conditions that may go undetected because typically chronic conditions start out asymptomatic and get worse over time. In other words, just because it doesn't kill 20% of the people who get it, doesn't mean it's not going to permanently cause chronic conditions for the people who get it and survive asymptomatically.

By not putting the facts together, the right-wing authoritarian can cling to their previous belief and can use facts to support that opinion, while sounding "ignorant" to people who've merged the facts together to grasp the bigger picture.

And it ends with the above quoted stance. That he has all of the facts, but because you merge the information together and he doesn't, somehow he's being judged and oppressed because of his beliefs, rather than his inability to reason from the merged facts. Your argument that COVID really is a serious disease with potential long-term complications for survivors is going to be juxtaposed with whatever 1 of 4 arguments he uses to justify the previous held argument/belief that it's not really a big deal.

tl;dr: He isn't ignorant of the facts. He just doesn't merge them together, so while you're arguing about COVID as a new, complicated and not-fully-understood disease, he's going to pick and choose what facts to use to hold onto previous arguments/beliefs.
 

shortylickens

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I don't miss it, it's just that it's more of the same "we're so much better than them". That's the P&N mantra, and I wonder who you're trying to convince.
If you are deliberately, dangerously, mindlessly stupid, you are going to hear normal people say they are better than you on occasion.

Deal with it.
 

BoomerD

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Yea, but with HIV you had to have gay sex, and it took a year or so to die. COVID you only have to go to the grocery store for food, and you are dead in a week or so.

HIV didn't go through a grade school like a dose of salts, then taken home to share with the family and grandparents.

Actually, you didn't have to have gay sex to catch AIDS, it just was the most publicized cause. Having sex with someone who had gay sex would do it...or with someone who had sex with someone who had gay sex....so on and so on...OR, have had sex with an IV drug user who had shared needles with someone who had it...or had sex with someone who had sex with someone who was an IV drug user who had shared needles.........................
 
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I don't miss it, it's just that it's more of the same "we're so much better than them". That's the P&N mantra, and I wonder who you're trying to convince.

you guys do a great job of making us “so much better than you”. it’s your own fault. between ignorance and hypocrisy you don’t leave us much choice.
 
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Zorba

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Yeah a few cases of people over 100 recovering. But surviving both 1918 Spanish flu and now covid.
We need to collect their DNA. They have some good genes. Also means they made it through a lot of other diseases we don't have to fight off nowadays and high rates of infant mortality.
 

ivwshane

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I don't miss it, it's just that it's more of the same "we're so much better than them". That's the P&N mantra, and I wonder who you're trying to convince.

They probably aren’t going to convince the guy that thinks people who want everyone to be safe are being elitist.


If you run into one person who acts elitist and calls you stupid, well, they are probably elitist assholes. However if everyone you run into acts elitist and calls you stupid, well, you probably are stupid and they probably are better than you.