A strong man stands up for himself, a stronger man stands up for others.

[Krakn3Dfx]

So about 3 weeks ago, I took my 6 year old son to see Barnyard. Formula movie, I didn't think much about it. There was some sadness in it because of events of my own life, and my son said it made him think about his grandfather, who passed away about 6 months ago. Otherwise, not the best executed CG film I've ever seen, and their were some pretty major inaccuracies in male and female bovine reproductive organs, but I digress...

A few days ago, we were watching the news and there was a story about a guy who was missing in the mountains here in Colorado, and I mentioned to my wife how I wonder how long they'd look before they gave up. The next thing I know, my son says, "They should look until they find him, like in Barnyard, a strong man stands up for himself, a stronger man stands up for others." I was pretty much floored. I always try to teach responsibility and concern for others to my kids, but here was my youngest, who got the idea of responsibility for others from a movie.

Not a great movie, but a great message, especially at a time when we as a people are all about the have's and have-not's. Not really political, but a little something we could stand to have in our political process nonetheless.

 

[dmcowen674]

:thumbsup: to children learning the right thing not from the right

 

[alzan]

Actually, I think you have raised him correctly: he pulled a good message from the movie and he applied it correctly to a different circumstance. Hopefully, he does the same with books, music and television.

alzan

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
:thumbsup: to children learning the right thing not from the right

Is everything about right and left to you, you ignorant fvck?

 

[Moonbeam]

Every human is born with a deep and innate yearning for truth and light, in my opinion. It's the source from which we and God created each other. Our highest emotions are about satisfactions we get from being good.

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
:thumbsup: to children learning the right thing not from the right

Is everything about right and left to you, you ignorant fvck?

When you're a puppet, you don't have much of a choice I guess.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
:thumbsup: to children learning the right thing not from the right

Is everything about right and left to you, you ignorant fvck?

Nice personal attack.


I think he was trying to articulate that you can be a good person or espouse morals on your children without religion, at least that's my reading of it.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
:thumbsup: to children learning the right thing not from the right

Is everything about right and left to you, you ignorant fvck?

Nice personal attack.


I think he was trying to articulate that you can be a good person or espouse morals on your children without religion, at least that's my reading of it.

Are you new here? It was another DuhMcowen slam on "the right."

But hey, if you want to keep talking out of your ass, keep it up. I'm not going to stop a fool from defending a fool.

 

[piasabird]

Nothing wrong with caring about others and feeling motivated into action for the common good.

Say your neighbor leaves his car lights on would you walk over and knock on their door or would you just laugh and say he is a fool? You are not obligated to help your fellow man, but one day you may be the peron who leaves their lights on and it would be nice if someone would help you out.

This is not left or right. It is in a way self preservation. By looking out for each other we can all become stronger for it.

The funny thing is that this is what Jesus taught. As I have loved your, Love one another, this new commandment, Love one another, by this may man know, Ye, are my Disciples, As I have loved you, Love one another!

Dont think of it as religion, think of it as Karma. Whatever evil you do will come back to you three fold. So why not do good and get good back in return?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
:thumbsup: to children learning the right thing not from the right

Is everything about right and left to you, you ignorant fvck?

Ignorant of what???

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
:thumbsup: to children learning the right thing not from the right

Is everything about right and left to you, you ignorant fvck?

Nice personal attack.


I think he was trying to articulate that you can be a good person or espouse morals on your children without religion, at least that's my reading of it.

Are you new here? It was another DuhMcowen slam on "the right."

But hey, if you want to keep talking out of your ass, keep it up. I'm not going to stop a fool from defending a fool.

What no name calling for me?

I post here almost everyday and there's plenty of mudslinging on both sides. Your response is what surprises me, try a little harder next time "Elite Member".

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
:thumbsup: to children learning the right thing not from the right

Is everything about right and left to you, you ignorant fvck?

Ignorant of what???

The United States? The world? Real life? Take your pick.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: ayabe
What no name calling for me?

I post here almost everyday and there's plenty of mudslinging on both sides. Your response is what surprises me, try a little harder next time "Elite Member".

There is no arguing with Dave. He's a baiting, trolling waste of space. I see no reason to respond to his drivel politely.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Every human is born with a deep and innate yearning for truth and light, in my opinion. It's the source from which we and God created each other. Our highest emotions are about satisfactions we get from being good.

Well said!!

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Every human is born with a deep and innate yearning for truth and light, which is quickly extinguished by church and religion. The concept of God is much easier accept than the complexities and beauty of nature.

Fixed.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Every human is born with a deep and innate yearning for truth and light, which is quickly extinguished by church and religion. The concept of God is much easier accept than the complexities and beauty of nature.

Fixed.

And you know this how? The price I paid for my yearning for a concept of God was everything I loved and believed in. I died on the rocks of that aim. All my hope for something good in life flew out the window and I was left alone and utterly hopeless in a pit of black despair. Perhaps your standards of what is easy and what is not are built on the notion that the safe thing is never to want, to never know the ache in your soul for unity with God. What is better, my friend, the religious fool whose heart is filled with love who speaks illusions that lift up the world, or the rationalist whose words are full of petty accuracy and whose heart is empty?

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
What is better, my friend, the religious fool whose heart is filled with love who speaks illusions that lift up the world, or the rationalist whose words are full of petty accuracy and whose heart is empty?

In the end, I believe that everyone has an oar to man in our leaky little boat, that we ALL need each other, and that this one boat -- gaia -- of ours takes all of us or none of us.

All division is false division, and your polemical sentence above presents a false dichotomy. The "religious fool" and the "petty rationalist" are both part of an indivisible whole, and I believe that indivisible whole to be transecendantly divine, but there can be no "petty fool" left behind.

We have me the enemy, and he is us. But "we" are also the only solution, eh? No execeptions.

That said, in the quotidian day-to-day, I'll take the "petty accuracy" of the rationalist as the pilot on my next plane flight; but a window seat onto the infinite sky above as well, as a gentle reminder that the best laid plans . . .

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
What is better, my friend, the religious fool whose heart is filled with love who speaks illusions that lift up the world, or the rationalist whose words are full of petty accuracy and whose heart is empty?

In the end, I believe that everyone has an oar to man in our leaky little boat, that we ALL need each other, and that this one boat -- gaia -- of ours takes all of us or none of us.

All division is false division, and your polemical sentence above presents a false dichotomy. The "religious fool" and the "petty rationalist" are both part of an indivisible whole, and I believe that indivisible whole to be transecendantly divine, but there can be no "petty fool" left behind.

We have me the enemy, and he is us. But "we" are also the only solution, eh? No execeptions.

That said, in the quotidian day-to-day, I'll take the "petty accuracy" of the rationalist as the pilot on my next plane flight; but a window seat onto the infinite sky above as well, as a gentle reminder that the best laid plans . . .

I think you are going to roast in the seventh circle you heathen

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33
I think you are going to roast in the seventh circle you heathen

As long as it's dry heat . . .

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
What is better, my friend, the religious fool whose heart is filled with love who speaks illusions that lift up the world, or the rationalist whose words are full of petty accuracy and whose heart is empty?

In the end, I believe that everyone has an oar to man in our leaky little boat, that we ALL need each other, and that this one boat -- gaia -- of ours takes all of us or none of us.

All division is false division, and your polemical sentence above presents a false dichotomy. The "religious fool" and the "petty rationalist" are both part of an indivisible whole, and I believe that indivisible whole to be transecendantly divine, but there can be no "petty fool" left behind.

We have me the enemy, and he is us. But "we" are also the only solution, eh? No execeptions.

That said, in the quotidian day-to-day, I'll take the "petty accuracy" of the rationalist as the pilot on my next plane flight; but a window seat onto the infinite sky above as well, as a gentle reminder that the best laid plans . . .

Hehehehe, I was going to add a warning not to prejudge my question as one in which there would be an assumption as to how I would answer based on the apparent thrust and direction of my arguments. My question was directed to Todd and was phrased in the language I think corresponds to how he sees the religious and what that vision says about him. My original point remember was, "Every human is born with a deep and innate yearning for truth and light, in my opinion. It's the source from which we and God created each other. Our highest emotions are about satisfactions we get from being good."

That 'from which we and God created each other' was meant to include those who believe we were created in the Image of God and those who believe man created God, but Todd in his 'fix' of my post wanted, it seems to me, to throw the religious out of the raft.

I will say it again. The beautiful child spoken of by the OP in his tender and proud post objectifies, in my opinion, the fact that at the core of every person is a hunger for the divine, the just, and the loving that is a natural birthright of man and that that desire happens because it's the natural condition and fundamental property. It is why stones become sacred, why the Great Spirit walks the land, it is why we dance. But our self hate kicked us our of heaven and now we want to kill.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Every human is born with a deep and innate yearning for truth and light, which is quickly extinguished by church and religion. The concept of God is much easier accept than the complexities and beauty of nature.

Fixed.

You have a serious problem with religion don't you? I'm not religious at all, but if you think those who have faith in God don't yearn for truth and light, you are mistaken.