Aye. THe main problem is that those who have left religion tend to want to get as far away from it as possible, without taking into account that the companionship was independant of the religion and is gravely needed.
I?ve found that, for me, Christianity was simply about truly accepting what i already knew to be right.
Something that is, admittedly, quite hard.
better to be hot or cold than luke-warm, eh?
so how's filling it with anger working out for you?
it gets old.
Certainly not surprising to me. I've never believed in a religion, but I think that in general, having religion betters society.
The fact that Religion=Prozac does not surprise me.
I've been tempted by the teachings of many faiths over my lifetime. Thing is, I've never been able to truly accept that fait in an authentic manner. Yes, it would probably make coping with the day to day easier, and would likely be more constructive than my current coping mechanisms (neffing on various forums and drinking. . . ooh, and serial monogamy) but I see all of those as merely attempts to avoid the true obstacle in our lives: absurdity.
I've been tempted by the teachings of many faiths over my lifetime. Thing is, I've never been able to truly accept that fait in an authentic manner. Yes, it would probably make coping with the day to day easier, and would likely be more constructive than my current coping mechanisms (neffing on various forums and drinking. . . ooh, and serial monogamy) but I see all of those as merely attempts to avoid the true obstacle in our lives: absurdity.
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"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact than a drunken man is happier than a sober one. "
George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950)
You knew I would make an appearence in this thread.
George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950)
You knew I would make an appearence in this thread.
Interesting, I?d say the true obstacle that we face in this human condition is laziness.
If you ask you'll be granted the ability to accept in an authentic manner.
I think you're just not seeing ways in which people achieve it without religion. Such as participating in the AT community.
hmmm hows that saying go...?... oh ya... ignorance is bliss
edit: damn i should really read more then half the thread before replying... oh well ++
edit#2: to add some substance
does not!
George Bernard Shaw co-founded the Fabian Society, on the belief that capitalism had created an unjust and inefficient social order. He promoted Socialism instead.
..in the 1930s Shaw approved of the dictatorship of Stalin and even made some ambiguous statements that could be interpreted as being pro-Hitler. In 1945 in his preface to his play Geneva Shaw claimed that the majority of the victims of the Nazi extermination camps had in fact died of 'overcrowding'. However, he also stated that Hitler had become a 'mad messiah' over time: Shaw contrasted this with the situation in the Soviet Union where, according to Shaw 'Stalin.... made good by doing things better and much more promptly than parliaments'. Shaw also made numerous anti-semitic comments at this time, although the extent to which he was merely being ironic or provocative is unclear. His (un-ironic) pro-Stalin bias is undeniable, however, although it is rarely commented on in discussions of his work. Perhaps the best way of looking at Shaw's political position is that he remained in many ways an Edwardian who (wrongly) attempted to apply the lessons of pre-World War One politics to a totalitarian age.
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I am not criticizing atheism. Hell, am not 100% firm in what I believe. What I am saying is that those who do not find an outlet such as AT many times tell themselves that they don't need one, and out spill the goth kids into the world
I am specifically disscussing those who choose atheism, and have to community to go to such as AT, friends, and or family who understand them.
Spirituality is Important for Health
Religion appears to promote health and therefore physicians should consider attending to their patients' spiritual beliefs.
According to Dr. Mark Su from Tufts University in Boston, Massachusetts, 94% of the American public believes in a God or a "higher power," and most claim that religion is "fairly" or "very" important in their lives.
However, American physicians tend to be less likely than their patients to believe in God -- only 64% compared to 91%, one survey found.
"Patients are more likely to desire spiritual issues to be discussed in their healthcare than are physicians to actually address them," Su notes. According to one survey, a large number of patients wanted their physician to pray with them, Su points out.
Su reviewed the literature on religion and health, restricting the review to studies pertaining to the Judeo-Christian religion, "due to the large number of studies available within this sect compared to other religions, as well as the relevant pertinence that it has among the majority of US citizens."
According to Su, of the 212 studies examining the effects of religious commitment on healthcare outcomes, 75% showed a positive benefit, 17% had mixed or no effect, and 7% showed a negative effect.
Positive effects of religion were found in most or all studies of drug use, adjustment or coping, depression, alcohol abuse, marital adjustment, life satisfaction, anxiety and extramarital or premarital sexual activity.
"I can't speculate whether health is promoted by the religion itself or the healthy behaviors that religious people are often encouraged to practice," Su explained.
"Some researchers think that people who are more religious are taught not to drink or smoke, but others believe the health benefits are due to feelings of peace and a sense of purpose, confidence and identity that religion can promote," he added.
Su also pointed out that addressing patients' spiritual beliefs can strengthen the doctor-patient relationship.
"Most doctors are concerned that they are crossing boundaries if they bring up spiritual beliefs," he said. "But I treat it in the same way as discussing their use of alcohol or tobacco. I just take it as part of being interested in what is going on with their lives.
"Doctors should deal with their patients on a case-by-case basis," Su added. "The bottom line is patient sensitivity -- the literature does not justify proselytizing.
"If a patient isn't interested in discussing it, then I don't push them about it," he said. "But I think it's reasonable for patients to mention that they have certain religious or spiritual beliefs."
Annual Scientific Assembly of the American Academy of Family Physicians Atlanta, GA October 2, 2001
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Religion appears to promote health and therefore physicians should consider attending to their patients' spiritual beliefs.
According to Dr. Mark Su from Tufts University in Boston, Massachusetts, 94% of the American public believes in a God or a "higher power," and most claim that religion is "fairly" or "very" important in their lives.
However, American physicians tend to be less likely than their patients to believe in God -- only 64% compared to 91%, one survey found.
"Patients are more likely to desire spiritual issues to be discussed in their healthcare than are physicians to actually address them," Su notes. According to one survey, a large number of patients wanted their physician to pray with them, Su points out.
Su reviewed the literature on religion and health, restricting the review to studies pertaining to the Judeo-Christian religion, "due to the large number of studies available within this sect compared to other religions, as well as the relevant pertinence that it has among the majority of US citizens."
According to Su, of the 212 studies examining the effects of religious commitment on healthcare outcomes, 75% showed a positive benefit, 17% had mixed or no effect, and 7% showed a negative effect.
Positive effects of religion were found in most or all studies of drug use, adjustment or coping, depression, alcohol abuse, marital adjustment, life satisfaction, anxiety and extramarital or premarital sexual activity.
"I can't speculate whether health is promoted by the religion itself or the healthy behaviors that religious people are often encouraged to practice," Su explained.
"Some researchers think that people who are more religious are taught not to drink or smoke, but others believe the health benefits are due to feelings of peace and a sense of purpose, confidence and identity that religion can promote," he added.
Su also pointed out that addressing patients' spiritual beliefs can strengthen the doctor-patient relationship.
"Most doctors are concerned that they are crossing boundaries if they bring up spiritual beliefs," he said. "But I treat it in the same way as discussing their use of alcohol or tobacco. I just take it as part of being interested in what is going on with their lives.
"Doctors should deal with their patients on a case-by-case basis," Su added. "The bottom line is patient sensitivity -- the literature does not justify proselytizing.
"If a patient isn't interested in discussing it, then I don't push them about it," he said. "But I think it's reasonable for patients to mention that they have certain religious or spiritual beliefs."
Annual Scientific Assembly of the American Academy of Family Physicians Atlanta, GA October 2, 2001
Link
A few reasons for this... firstly, I'm sure a good portion of those studies were funded by organizations with agendas. They don't fund unbiased studies - they buy findings, and a researcher looking for more grant money better find what is wanted... Studies are like silly putty - they can be twisted indefinitely, molded into any desired shape...
94% of Americans believe in a god? That's depressing; it's higher than I'd have guessed & hoped. At any rate, it means that if someone's in critical condition in a hospital bed, 94% of wellwishers will pray for him/her. Oddly enough, if they were instructed not to pray for the person, or if only atheists were allowed to visit, you'd have the same findings - the importance of human contact and interaction is dictated by our genes, and it's the only thing helping people in these situations. Studies done for the christian coalition and such make no distinction between not being visited and not being prayed for, which is why they're flawed (and which is the only way they can draw the conclusions they do).
Have a look at this, it's a very interesting and eye-opening read.
Originally posted by: Attrox
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