A solution to piracy...

[GigaCluster]

Microsoft Internet Explorer -> Mozilla
Microsoft Office ($579) -> OpenOffice
Adobe Photoshop ($609) -> Gimp
Microsoft IIS -> Apache HTTPD
AOL Instant Messenger, ICQ, MSN, Jabber -> Gaim
Winamp -> Freeamp

What else do you need?

 

[GigaCluster]

Originally posted by: coolVariable
That's really just sh*t talking ...

A friend of mine whose company is a really big webhoster/web programming provider has 1 Unix (or Linux?) server and many, many WinNT/2K servers.
He wil never, ever go linux/unix again.

1. It takes almost 2 days to set the *nix server up vs. ~2 hours for a Win server
2. If there is a security hole in win (there are lots - he admits) an update is available within hours and the installation is a matter of minutes vs. if there is a security hole in *nix he never hears about it or it takes a bitch to install the update.
3. If an attacker brings down his server it's a matter of minutes (up to 2 hours) to get the win machines back on line vs. probably reinstalling *nix (2 days) or at least having problems for half a day ...

=> Ask him about *nix and he will rip your throat

1) It takes me about two hours to set up a decent Linux server complete with a firewall and necessary software servers. It takes about two days for Windows to download all its security patches.
2) Do you work for Microsoft? Most security holes that are reported to Microsoft are made public since Microsoft either does not reply or tries to cover it up. A lot of times Windows users have to wait MONTHS before Microsoft provides a patch. Furthermore, most Windows patches are supposed to protect against critical security holes, like that remote exploit that was open by default with Windows XP. It is quite rare for Linux to have a remote root exploit... without root access, there is not a lot of damage you can do.
3) I think you got the two mixed up -- if a cracker gets into Windows, you should reinstall it, since you don't know what he might've done. However, if Linux/Unix is cracked, then the most damage the user can do is delete a server or files associated with it. For example, if you run Apache under the "www" user and group, then the cracker could only do what that user's permissions allowed. No reinstallation would be necessary.

I think you need to get your facts straight...

 

[Paulson]

Flame war going on...

I didn't mean for this thread to turn into that, but oh well... good points for either side...

I'm just saying rather than pay $600 for win2k server I'd rather download an ISO of linux and use it (it's free and can do anything win2k server does)

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: coolVariable
That's really just sh*t talking ...

A friend of mine whose company is a really big webhoster/web programming provider has 1 Unix (or Linux?) server and many, many WinNT/2K servers.
He wil never, ever go linux/unix again.

1. It takes almost 2 days to set the *nix server up vs. ~2 hours for a Win server
2. If there is a security hole in win (there are lots - he admits) an update is available within hours and the installation is a matter of minutes vs. if there is a security hole in *nix he never hears about it or it takes a bitch to install the update.
3. If an attacker brings down his server it's a matter of minutes (up to 2 hours) to get the win machines back on line vs. probably reinstalling *nix (2 days) or at least having problems for half a day ...

=> Ask him about *nix and he will rip your throat

Security should be one of the most important things for a company. Look at all the companies that went Microsoft and are taking hits from the the email viruses. There are more desktop computers than there are servers.

 

[Soybomb]

coolvariable, no offence meant, but perhaps your friend doesn't have the training necessary to be a good unix sysadmin? With windows anyone can slap together a box in a short time and call it a server, but if you don't know what you're doing with unix you'll have problems. If administrated properly you will not have those problems with unix

 

[xirtam]

Linux server... CVS+FTP+HTTP+Mail...

1.5 hours.

I should be able to steal somebody's job with this capability if coolVariable is right. Save the 2 days.

Oh, and those people in there "maintaining" the linux box every day? I "maintain" my linux server every day, if only so I can play with linux. If I left it alone, it'd probably work better, but I like messing with it.

 

[Nefrodite]

if u wanna b*tch about overpriced things... what about things like diamonds? its a bloody rock with zero real value. theres a massive supply and its only expensive because a monopoly hoards the supply and limits how much is on the market.

that or fashion? cloth is cloth!! screw you vera wang!!



time to break into some jewelry stores hehe

 

[edro]

Piracy = your friend.

Or, just buy Windows, and get StarOffice. It is a real good Office sweet for free, or the new version is only $70.