A soln to CA budget crisis: charge for public school (k-12)

[JEDI]

prop X (forgot #) ties CA's hands on minimal school spending. plus they cant turnaway illegals.

so why not charge a small amount (ie: $100) per child?

 

[Vette73]

How about we charge for police, fire protection, roads, etc... oh wait we already do. Its called taxs.

 

[Kadarin]

Turn away illegals, solve problem. Next thread?

 

[wuliheron]

prop X (forgot #) ties CA's hands on minimal school spending. plus they cant turnaway illegals.

so why not charge a small amount (ie: $100) per child?

Get the illegals to teach classes!

 

[ch33zw1z]

Taxes? How about having just the illegals pay, since they're not paying taxes anyways.

 

[Vette73]

Taxes? How about having just the illegals pay, since they're not paying taxes anyways.

Really they don't pay rent or anything. Man your illegals have it easy then. All the ones here pay plenty of taxs if not more than others as they don;t get any tax breaks like citizens.

 

[her209]

How many kids are really illegal immigrants though? 1 in 10? 1 in 100? 1 in 1000? Remember that their parents may be illegal immigrants but if the kid was born here, then they're legal, and legally, they are entitled to that education.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Can we decide on an amount it costs to properly teach our children and stick with it? If its 10,000 per student we're told it should be 12k, if its 12k, we're told it should be 14k, etc. Can we just set like $40,000 per student and when that doesn't work stop blaming the $$$ as the problem?

 

[a777pilot]

How many kids are really illegal immigrants though? 1 in 10? 1 in 100? 1 in 1000? Remember that their parents may be illegal immigrants but if the kid was born here, then they're legal, and legally, they are entitled to that education.

How many kids are really illegal immigrants though?

May I suggest you go visit the LA schools and do nothing but pay attention to the language used in the schools there.

That will give you an idea of the scope of the problem.

 

[piasabird]

We already pay for education, it is called taxes. A lot of payment comes from Property Tax, sales tax, bond issues, then when you register your kids for school they want like $60.00 in misc fees. That is how they do it in Illinois.

 

[piasabird]

When illegals show up at school make them pay a non-citizen tax of about $1,000.00 per child, or show they have proof of taxes being paid.

 

[Infohawk]

May I suggest you go visit the LA schools and do nothing but pay attention to the language used in the schools there.

That will give you an idea of the scope of the problem.

He's going to argue that a lot of them are legal. Some people just refuse to believe that illegal immigration is a big deal and refuse to believe that helping illegals hurts legals.

 

[First]

May I suggest you go visit the LA schools and do nothing but pay attention to the language used in the schools there.

That will give you an idea of the scope of the problem.

That has nothing to do with being an illegal. 1st generation legal immigrant parents often don't know English and speak their native language, which passes onto their children until they learn English by high school.

 

[Wreckem]

Taxes? How about having just the illegals pay, since they're not paying taxes anyways.

Why not? Plyer v. Doe would need to be overturned to do that.

 

[Wreckem]

When illegals show up at school make them pay a non-citizen tax of about $1,000.00 per child, or show they have proof of taxes being paid.

If they rent they pay property taxes.
If they buy shit they pay sales taxes.

 

[Wreckem]

How many kids are really illegal immigrants though? 1 in 10? 1 in 100? 1 in 1000? Remember that their parents may be illegal immigrants but if the kid was born here, then they're legal, and legally, they are entitled to that education.

Even if the children are illegal the SCotUS says they are entitled to an education.

Well technically education is not a right under the constitution but the court more or less said since you offer public education illegal aliens who are children are entitled to it.

 

[theeedude]

Or we could just repeal prop 13

 

[her209]

May I suggest you go visit the LA schools and do nothing but pay attention to the language used in the schools there.

That will give you an idea of the scope of the problem.

Mmmm... okay. Your proof of is that Spanish used in the schools? Wow. Way to go!

 

[JS80]

Remove pensions, hire more teachers. Problem solved.

 

[her209]

He's going to argue that a lot of them are legal. Some people just refuse to believe that illegal immigration is a big deal and refuse to believe that helping illegals hurts legals.

Certainly something should be done, but his proof for the scope of the illegal immigration problem is that Spanish is spoken in the schools. LULZ

 

[drebo]

Maybe we should just get smarter with our spending. You know, like not building $150 million highschools and not giving free college educations to every crotchdropping that can get a 400 on the SAT.

California's stupid ass spending is what got us here. We have enough in tax revenue that we should be able to pay for our schools. Hell, there are schools in central California where the primary spoken language is fucking Mexican, and they're that way BY FUCKING DESIGN, not by necessity.

Teachers are paid too much, there are too many administrators, the administrators are paid too much, and the facilities are overbuilt and overbudget. Fix that shit and the rest won't be a problem.

 

[her209]

Maybe we should just get smarter with our spending. You know, like not building $150 million highschools and not giving free college educations to every crotchdropping that can get a 400 on the SAT.

California's stupid ass spending is what got us here. We have enough in tax revenue that we should be able to pay for our schools. Hell, there are schools in central California where the primary spoken language is fucking Mexican, and they're that way BY FUCKING DESIGN, not by necessity.

Teachers are paid too much, there are too many administrators, the administrators are paid too much, and the facilities are overbuilt and overbudget. Fix that shit and the rest won't be a problem.

MEXICAN isn't a language. I have family members who work for a CA school district and let's just say there's a lot of do nothings administrators collecting $100k salaries.

 

[Infohawk]

California's stupid ass spending is what got us here. We have enough in tax revenue that we should be able to pay for our schools.

The spending used to be able to pay for quality schooling.

But when you have a lot of high-fertility poor people stream into the state you have more kids and not enough new tax revenues to pay for the additional kids, you suddenly can't afford quality schooling for everyone anymore.

 

[drebo]

MEXICAN isn't a language. I have family members who work for a CA school district and let's just say there's a lot of do nothings administrators collecting $100k salaries.

Mexican's its own dialect of Spanish, and it's different enough that it can be called something else, imo.

But, I addressed that administration problem...the highschool I went to had 3 full time people working in the attendance office processing tardy school kids...there were maybe 50 tardies a day in our 2500 kid school. They were probably making $18/hr 10 years ago with benefits. They needed ONE person in there from 8am to 10am, when most of the delinquents came late, and then the rest could have been done by the secretary in the main office.

There were almost more office staff at the school than there were actual teachers. And I KNOW they were all paid way too much.

 

[drebo]

The spending used to be able to pay for quality schooling.

But when you have a lot of high-fertility poor people stream into the state you have more kids and not enough new tax revenues to pay for the additional kids, you suddenly can't afford quality schooling for everyone anymore.

I think it's a bit different now...I think that they "system" has to spend so much time and effort on kids who don't want to learn that they have no resources left over for those that do.

Teachers cannot fail kids in California anymore. They can't suspend them. They can't give them Saturday school. They can't hold them back. They can't put them in a remedial classroom. All of those things are now relegated to the parent. As such, we've got borderline autistic kids in classes with regular students. These kids have so many special requirements that teachers aren't even able to tell them to "stop" when they're being disruptive. Many of them have permanent one-on-one tutors that go with them to class.

How the fuck wasteful is that? You've got a kid who CAN'T learn slowing everyone else down. I'm not one to deny anyone the chance at an education, but there needs to be limits. If a kid clearly has a learning disability, he should be in classes with other kids that have learning disabilities. That way, when he decides it's time to stand on his desk and shout for five minutes, he doesn't fuck with all the other kids' ability to learn.

The feel-good-everyone's-the-same attitude that permeates California's teaching bureaucracy is destructive not only to the quality of the education provided but also to the budget...it's a double-fuck-over to the kids who actually want to learn.