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A single vote doesn't make a difference

wviperw

Senior member
Sorry for the poor subject line. It is really hard to express in words what I am trying to get at, but here it goes.

There is an old argument for matters concerning the individual's "duty" to society, in such areas as political involvement (voting), morality, virtue, the Golden Rule, etc. The argument goes something like this:

Rebellious teenager refuses to vote because he doesn't think a *single* vote will make a difference. Wise adult explains that if everybody thought that way, then our democratic system would be in shambles, and the election would fail.

The same argument can be applied to why an individual should exercise virtue, integrity, etc. (the Golden Rule principle). However, to me this argument doesn't seem to hold up. In the political analogy, statistically, a single vote really doesn't count (in major elections), no matter how much people try to convince you that it does. In the morality analogy, why *shouldn't* an individual think that the Golden Rule should be applied to everyone but himself?

Let's say an individual recognizes no supernatural being. What reason does that individual have to exercise "virtue"? I can see a reason for him to exercise morality to a point--after all, the moral life tends to be easier and happier to live (e.g. - you're not sent to prison). But is there a reason for that individual to exercise personal integrity and virtue, other than to make himself "feel good"?
 
You are comparing apples to oranges. If somebody treats a person unfairly a single entity is affected. When somebody casts a vote it probably won't make a difference. If the previous election's didn't provide enough evidence, with the current electorial college system, depending on what state one resides in a single vote doesn't mean sh!t.
 
Drive on any busy road and you'll find that everyone DOES think the golden rule should apply to everyone but themselves. Also, you make no sense.
 
Originally posted by: mugs
Drive on any busy road and you'll find that everyone DOES think the golden rule should apply to everyone but themselves. Also, you make no sense.

I second the making no sense.
 
Originally posted by: tweakmm
You are comparing apples to oranges. If somebody treats a person unfairly a single entity is affected. When somebody casts a vote it probably won't make a difference. If the previous election's didn't provide enough evidence, with the current electorial college system, depending on what state one resides in a single vote doesn't mean sh!t.

i agree.

I think the electorial college needs to be abolished and have the presidancy elected on the popular vote. I understand why the electorial college was started. But i i dont think it is really needed today.
 
Originally posted by: SoylentGreen
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: SoylentGreen
Originally posted by: SampSon
He who brings the meat and has the largest mane gets the girls.


Says the virgin
:roll:
Write that one yourself?

The last time you saw pussy is when you were born.

I don't understand your retort.
Yes, pussy, I think that is what my gf has.

I don't understand your joke.
 
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: SoylentGreen
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: SoylentGreen
Originally posted by: SampSon
He who brings the meat and has the largest mane gets the girls.


Says the virgin
:roll:
Write that one yourself?

The last time you saw pussy is when you were born.

I don't understand your retort.
Yes, pussy, I think that is what my gf has.

I don't understand your joke.

Just for the simple fact that you had 6K for a realdoll doesn't make you an authority.

Please expand on your original post.
 
Originally posted by: SoylentGreen
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: SoylentGreen
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: SoylentGreen
Originally posted by: SampSon
He who brings the meat and has the largest mane gets the girls.


Says the virgin
:roll:
Write that one yourself?

The last time you saw pussy is when you were born.

I don't understand your retort.
Yes, pussy, I think that is what my gf has.

I don't understand your joke.

Just for the simple fact that you had 6K for a realdoll doesn't make you an authority.

Please expand on your original post.
Please expand reading comprehension.

I got the realdoll for a birthday present.
 
lemme get this straight...
voting has no impact on the election.....similarly, being virtuous has no impact on existence?

i see no analogy in these two ideologies. I realize the impact of electoral votes over popular votes, but it is the popular votes that select the electoral college. So one might argue that each individual's vote can influence elections at two levels.
as far as living a virtuous life....well, it is obviously of benefit to the species if not the individual. Being virtuous is obviously less fun than not being...
did I miss your point?
 
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: SoylentGreen
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: SoylentGreen
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: SoylentGreen
Originally posted by: SampSon
He who brings the meat and has the largest mane gets the girls.


Says the virgin
:roll:
Write that one yourself?

The last time you saw pussy is when you were born.

I don't understand your retort.
Yes, pussy, I think that is what my gf has.

I don't understand your joke.

Just for the simple fact that you had 6K for a realdoll doesn't make you an authority.

Please expand on your original post.
Please expand reading comprehension.

I got the realdoll for a birthday present.

That's aweome. You have learned to expand and realize not to retort to all the insults you come across on the internet.

You are making progress towards common sense, a trait that academia does not teach you
 
Originally posted by: SoylentGreen
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: SoylentGreen
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: SoylentGreen
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: SoylentGreen
Originally posted by: SampSon
He who brings the meat and has the largest mane gets the girls.


Says the virgin
:roll:
Write that one yourself?

The last time you saw pussy is when you were born.

I don't understand your retort.
Yes, pussy, I think that is what my gf has.

I don't understand your joke.

Just for the simple fact that you had 6K for a realdoll doesn't make you an authority.

Please expand on your original post.
Please expand reading comprehension.

I got the realdoll for a birthday present.

That's aweome. You have learned to expand and realize not to retort to all the insults you come across on the internet.

You are making progress towards common sense, a trait that academia does not teach you
Thanks for the tips son.
 
Originally posted by: SampSon

You are making progress towards common sense, a trait that academia does not teach you
Thanks for the tips son.[/quote]

Guys, leaving the full quotation in quotes is kind of like thread crapping.
:thumbsdown:
 
Originally posted by: gururu
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: SoylentGreen
You are making progress towards common sense, a trait that academia does not teach you
Thanks for the tips son.
Guys, leaving the full quotation in quotes is kind of like thread crapping.
:thumbsdown:

Then at least fix the quotes, so you do not trunkate them. That looks even worse.
 
Originally posted by: wviperw
Rebellious teenager refuses to vote because he doesn't think a *single* vote will make a difference. Wise adult explains that if everybody thought that way, then our democratic system would be in shambles, and the election would fail.

The wise adult is wise indeed.

A single vote counts as a single vote. Period. Whether you exercise your power is up to you, but I encourage everyone to do so.

Originally posted by: deftron
A single dollar doesn't make a difference to a millionaire but they still add up
That's a great analogy.
 
A single dollar doesn't make a difference to a millionaire but they still add up

Sorry, but poor analogy. You also just sort of contradicted yourself by saying a single dollar DOESN'T make a difference, but then you say it DOES make a difference because it still adds up. The millionaire doesn't care that he now has one more dollar, like you said. Furthermore, the millionaire isn't in any "competition" with another millionaire, attempting to collect more money.

You are comparing apples to oranges. If somebody treats a person unfairly a single entity is affected.

Okay, you're right that I am kind of comparing apples an oranges, but I still think there is a connection. Both cases are relating the individual's role to his society. As an example, let's say that you could get away with directly stealing $50 dollars from Microsoft, no consequences whatsoever. What reason does the individual have to do the "virtuous" thing--to not steal the money? After all, 50 dollars is never going to make a dent in M$'s pocket book, but then at the same time you get people who will say "if everybody stole 50 dollars from M$...."


As for those who think I don't make any sense, you're probably right. 🙂 Like I said, it is very hard to word what I am trying to say. Not to mention that it is a pretty foreign idea in modern day culture to go against notions such as the golden rule.
 
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: tweakmm
You are comparing apples to oranges. If somebody treats a person unfairly a single entity is affected. When somebody casts a vote it probably won't make a difference. If the previous election's didn't provide enough evidence, with the current electorial college system, depending on what state one resides in a single vote doesn't mean sh!t.

i agree.

I think the electorial college needs to be abolished and have the presidancy elected on the popular vote. I understand why the electorial college was started. But i i dont think it is really needed today.

I dont know why im writing this since this thread will get locked due to the virgin and the pussy but anyway, the electorial college will never get abandoned due to the fact that there are more midde/lower income people then upperclass folks. No way in the world will rich republicans let the popular vote matter.
 
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