A simple question for Network gurus

[imported_Husky55]

I have a Belkin Pre-N wireless router to share broadband with my desktop and laptop. I plugged the new HP 2600N printer into my router.

I cannot install the HP network software. Something about encounting an error and have to shut down setup.

My question is do I need a router with a printer server built-in to attach my printer to the router. In other words, the Ethernet connection on my printer canonly be used with a printer ?

I assume that I can connect my printer directly to my computer as a USB or Ethernet printer and share it on the network.

I would like to share the printer as a P2P printer and not have a printer server. How do I do this?

A link to this subject is really appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

 

[Slowlearner]

First the printer has to be configured manually with a static IP. HP has an utility called Network Printer Install wizard. Download it and run it from the PCs. If you run in to problems HP has a lots of howtos/knowledge base/faqs etc. Get on the phone with them if you have to.

If your printer has a network port, you do not have to have a router with a print server - it is indeed like a p2p printer on the network independent of any of the PCs. A usb connected printer can be shared but that sharing is iffy - works sometimes doesnt sometimes - and that defeats the whole purpose of network printer. A 1284 or parallel connection works fine, but this printer doesn't have one.

 

[JackMDS]

Originally posted by: Husky55Simple question for Network gurus.

What shall I do if I want to help and I am No Guru?

:sun:

 

[Slowlearner]

Why this sudden diffidence from someone who has:

(a) an extremely useful website kept uptodate,
(b) responds promptly to the same queries day after day
(c) is a Microsoft MVP.

In my book you are right up there with Steve Winograd, Tim Higgins. If you are not a guru, who is?

 

[Goosemaster]

1. isntall the printer on your pc using usb or LPT

2. unplug pritner and plug into router

3. go into your printers properties and change the a new port (TCP/IP). Set it to the ip of the router.

4. make sure to set the port properties to send it as raw.

pwned:laugh:

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Slowlearner
Why this sudden diffidence from someone who has:

(a) an extremely useful website kept uptodate,
(b) responds promptly to the same queries day after day
(c) is a Microsoft MVP.

In my book you are right up there with Steve Winograd, Tim Higgins. If you are not a guru, who is?

Maybe he is jsut a slow learner

 

[nweaver]

don't install on USB then move, as it then installs the full shoot and match, including extra BiDI stuff that doesn't work on the network, and causes issues later. Do an INF install, use add printer, local printer, don't detect, new port, TCP/IP, point to the enu folder (for HP's, unless they changed it)

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: nweaver
don't install on USB then move, as it then installs the full shoot and match, including extra BiDI stuff that doesn't work on the network, and causes issues later. Do an INF install, use add printer, local printer, don't detect, new port, TCP/IP, point to the enu folder (for HP's, unless they changed it)

Usually HP has infs hidden within an .exe


But yeah, if you can get the .inf, by all means go that route

 

[imported_Husky55]

First of all, I would like to thank all those who posted.

My problem probably seems very trivial, hence the caustic comment by JackMDS. The reason I ask for network gurus is that it is NOT s simple problem. This is not P & P.

I am not a network novice, although there are a lot that I do not know.

I did install the HP Network Install Wizard and tried that with the latest firmware and drivers from HP for the HP Color LaserJet 2600N. When the Wizard asks for driver, it was directed to the extracted HP drivers. But the installation failed because of incompatility issues, report was sent to MS.

The Wizard did detect the printer correctly. I did remove all the USB drivers before installing the Ethernet drivers. I changed all the cables on the off chance one might be bad (very small chance). Plugged in different LAN plugs. Printed out the configuration report.

Disabled antivirus, firewall on router and computer, installed another ethernet card.

The result was always the same, when the driver install nears the end somehow there was no connection through the TCP/IP port.

So I tried to create a new TCP/IP port 9100 and that failed.

In desperation I tried all the tips mentioned in the posts above and they all failed.
The INF install for the HP driver ONLY install USB.

I tried to ping the HP. It's pinged OK. DHCP works and assign the printer an IP address. Ping that address, it's also OK.

I must have installed a bout 100 printers before and I did not have anything like this. At this point, I suspect it is a bad Ethernet card on the HP or something wrong with my computer. Both very unlikely suspects.

But what can I do now?

 

[nweaver]

can you telnet into the printer? Can you check its web page? (most all HP's have a web based menu) check that for info.

 

[Slowlearner]

The problem is with the TCP/IP configuration. I am pretty sure that printer has to have a fixed IP address. If you have the printer manual handy check if it supports IPX/SPX protocol - then we could try running it on that. There are certain security problems with File and Printer sharing being tied to TCP/IP and it used to be suggested that these be tied to a separate protocol. At work I have a couple of HP 8100s that I have set up this way. I have also given them static IPs (way outside the dhcp range) , and in an dynamic IP setting, I can log in to them.

 

[imported_Husky55]

nweaver,

I can use HP Toolbox and check the Networking section. Everything looks OK. I did not telnet the HP yet.

Slowlearner,

There is a way to change the printer IP address to a fix IP and subnet mask. I am using the router DHCP to issue IP addresses so I don't want to disable that.

The Network Install Wizard seems to be a foolproof way to install network printer. I wonder if there is something really messed up with my xp-sp2. Some times ago, I installed Tor and Privoxy to surf anonymously on the net. I have since uninstalled them. Since Tor and Privoxy prevent your IP to be shown I wonder if some residues is messing me up.

I have a little trouble to believe that HP would put a defective product on the market.

 

[JackMDS]

From another forum.

Originally posted by: Husky55nweaver, your are right!!!

I did find out that my Laptop, an Acer Centrino, with builtin Ethernet port has no trouble to find and install the HP 2600N wirelessly.

????

:sun:

 

[imported_Husky55]

Originally posted by: JackMDS
From another forum.

Originally posted by: Husky55nweaver, your are right!!!

I did find out that my Laptop, an Acer Centrino, with builtin Ethernet port has no trouble to find and install the HP 2600N wirelessly.

????

:sun:

My Acer laptop is connected wirelessly to the printer and router. I installed the driver. No problem. It's my desktop connected by wire to the router that I have the hell of a time right now.

I can install USB driver on the desktop and ethernet driver on the laptop and I guess life will go on. But it is not an elegant solution.

The Ethernet connector and card from the HP seems to be working fine (?). So may be my desktop system is is the culprit. But I have no problem with my XP-SP2 system right now.

 

[imported_Husky55]

Originally posted by: nweaver
can you telnet into the printer? Can you check its web page? (most all HP's have a web based menu) check that for info.

I telnet host, telnet port and connection port 23 failed.

 

[JackMDS]

Originally posted by: Husky55

Originally posted by: JackMDS
From another forum.

Originally posted by: Husky55nweaver, your are right!!!

I did find out that my Laptop, an Acer Centrino, with builtin Ethernet port has no trouble to find and install the HP 2600N wirelessly.

????

:sun:

My Acer laptop is connected wirelessly to the printer and router. I installed the driver. No problem. It's my desktop connected by wire to the router that I have the hell of a time right now.

I can install USB driver on the desktop and ethernet driver on the laptop and I guess life will go on. But it is not an elegant solution.

The Ethernet connector and card from the HP seems to be working fine (?). So may be my desktop system is is the culprit. But I have no problem with my XP-SP2 system right now.

Or, as you mentioned in the other forum, the HP drivers have problem with relativly new nf4 chipset.

:sun:

P.S. You can use the Laptop to assign a static IP to the printer.

And I assume that you use the software from this page: http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/Te...esId=446153&lang=no&cc=no&swEnvOID=228

 

[Goosemaster]

HPwned:laugh:

I'm sorry, but such genius must be tormented in the face of insurrmountable odds:laugh:

 

[imported_Husky55]

JackMDS,

I did download the newer drivers from the same links you provided. Since I was at it I upgraded the firmware for the HP also.

Because I suspected the NF4 chipset drivers which might cause havoc with my TCP/IP I remove the old drivers, used Driver Cleaner Pro to remove any trace of the old driver and installed the newest Nvidia chipset driver which is version 6.66. This version includes new Ethernet drivers.

I had hoped that somebody besides me has a Nvidia chipset problem, but nobody has reported any problem that I have heard about.

Again no help.

I am reasonably sure that I can assign a static IP address to the HP and a subnet mask also. Please tell me how that is going to help me.

There is a DMZ zone in my router which also assigns a static IP to the HP and puts it outside the firewall area. I tried that, just to see if outside the firewall would help. No dice there either.

I already entered the HP MAC address in the MAC control of the router as allow.

I am still suspecting it's a software problem and not hardware.

 

[JackMDS]

The NF4 mobos are relatively new and are mainly used by enthusiast. In contrast, the people that currently pursue NF4 are probably not so big on Network Color Laser printer. So, the fact that you did not find any thing yet posted about such a problem is not a strong indicator to the well being of the combination.

Email or post on HP tech support, given the release date of the drivers I doubt that they were tested by HP using NF4 computers.

The Router?s firewall has nothing to do with these issues. In addition, if your Laptop is capable to use the printer as a network printer, it pretty much eliminates any thing that has to do with the printer and the Router.

:sun:

 

[imported_Husky55]

A little update of this issue.

1. Just to be sure that my HP network 2600N printer install on the centrino xp-sp2 pro laptop works properly, I printed a bunch of stuff last night to test it out.

Excellent results. Fast, nice color, wireless and no hassle.

What this proved is that intel chipset, router, firewall, spyblaster, printer, everything works. So according to Jack, there is nothing wrong with the printer and/or router. I actually have learned quite a bit from the EZLAN.net site.

I took a look at the port setting for the printer and it is a TCP/IP port with port 9100, print to RAW, with an IP address of 192.168.2.4 (assigned by router). So I manually assigned an new IP 192.168.25. The reason being I only used 192.168.2.x, x=2-15 for my DHCP .

Again everything works.

2. So the problem is with my AMD-Nvidia desktop NF4 chipset and the associated drivers.

Installed USB HP printer, no problem, everything works. Connect Ethernet cable from printer to router. Could not install printer driver which stopped at about 90% to completion., not able to detect printer. Pinged 192.168.2.4 no problem. Same problem as originally reported.

3. Right click on the 2600N printer in control panel and in properties, under Port, tried to create a new TCP/IP port to IP address 192.168.2.4, crash, error code 1000 and 1001. Error send to MS.

In conclusion, there is something wrong with the local intranet which cannot see the printer through the Ethernet on this system i.e NF4 chispset. Something about cannot find DNS server. Although the DNS for internet works fine.

I noticed that, in the Network connection, 1394 is also shown as connected to internet and firewalled when I know that I do not have a 1394 firewire internet connection. I cannot disable this device as it seems to attach to the Ethernet connection. NF4 chipset incorporates firewire and ethernet together among other things.

I cannot add a TCP/IP port to the printer. HP toolbox only works if USB is connected. With Ethernet, it detects no printer.

The HP 2600N does not support IPX/SPX protocol.

Again, thanks you all for helping me.