A Simple Plea: Be Civil.

[CycloWizard]

I take it also, you are a staunch defender of the right of women to abortion, eh. No guns to the head to have the child?

Did someone hold a gun to her head to force her to become impregnated? Even if the answer is yes, how can the mother hold the gun to the head of the child and pull the trigger, thereby infringing its right to life?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

The role of government is to protect the rights of all citizens. As you so aptly pointed out, MLK's goal was to hold the government to this. If, instead, the government should decide that it will condone violations of these rights,

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it

http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/

 

[evident]

/joke
What do you mean "you people!?"
/joke

Just because I disagree with you does not mean I am posting "stupid shit." It simply means that you are incapable of acknowledging that other people have a different view of the world than you do.

You can call me whatever you want. I've been called quite worse by individuals who I had quite a bit more respect for. Despite what you've deluded yourself into believing, I'm not the one it's making look weak.

qft. i've noticed all his posts are usually putting down people no matter how civil the conversation is trying to be. I don't think anyone really takes his posts seriously.

 

[lupi]

This would never work for the same reason the idiots acknowledge that they constantly vote for the same incumbent simply due to the letter before their name.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I was called an idiot, and it is part of what lead me to make this post. It's not like my feelings were deeply hurt, I've been called worse, but it just furthers my own belief that it's impossible to have a real debate in this country.

I would rather be called ignorant. There is a large difference between the two words.

"Carmen813 says---On it's best days, P&N is a place where I have engaged in some of the best debates in my life. On it's worst days, I get posts like this."

--- you haven`t been that vocal on P&N.......I can`t remember ever calling you a name...believe me I know those who need to be called names so that they feel wanted!!


You were called an idiot??? Oh me, Oh my, what`s this world coming too......
You were fortunate most of us have been called worse..

On these forums the term idiot is meant to be a term of endearment.

Nobody said those of us who post in P&N would be french kissing and hugging each other......

In fact there is a weird form of respect that some of us have for those who actually disagree with us.....on some level there is respect!

two things--- thick skin -- look it up and I believe you can buy lotion online that will thicken your skin up -- http://www.thickskin.com
Watch your back as you leave...that door is not to kind.....

Peace!!

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

/joke
What do you mean "you people!?"
/joke

Just because I disagree with you does not mean I am posting "stupid shit." It simply means that you are incapable of acknowledging that other people have a different view of the world than you do.

You can call me whatever you want. I've been called quite worse by individuals who I had quite a bit more respect for. Despite what you've deluded yourself into believing, I'm not the one it's making look weak.

I sincerely doubt CsG HAS an opinion of his own, if he does he has never presented it, it's just the same regurgitated bullsheit.

To answer your OP, i actually tone down my language on this forum compared to IRL, when i don't i get banned. 😉

To many, words are used to set the tone of a post and curses or such are useful in written language to do that.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Did someone hold a gun to her head to force her to become impregnated? Even if the answer is yes, how can the mother hold the gun to the head of the child and pull the trigger, thereby infringing its right to life?

The role of government is to protect the rights of all citizens. As you so aptly pointed out, MLK's goal was to hold the government to this. If, instead, the government should decide that it will condone violations of these rights,

http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/

You're such a fucking loser pretending to have any knowledge regarding this topic.

"child"? Your kind is the reason for profanity on my part, people who SHOULD fucking know better but are so brainwashed you're completely useless in the real world.

 

[CycloWizard]

You're such a fucking loser pretending to have any knowledge regarding this topic.

"child"? Your kind is the reason for profanity on my part, people who SHOULD fucking know better but are so brainwashed you're completely useless in the real world.

Tell me why I'm wrong.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Maybe a democracy which can infringe on my rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is not a democracy at all. If we stuck to laws which did not infringe on these rights, then I would be perfectly happy to live in it.

I'm sorry this country no longer suites your ideals, the choice to leave is always yours

 

[theeedude]

It would be good to have some civility, but John McCain came out and said, "there will be no cooperation for the rest of the year." AT ALL. Not even on things that have broad support and need to be passed to keep the economy moving along, there will be no cooperation from GOP. How's that for civility?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Tell me why I'm wrong.

Again?

It's not like i haven't done this a multitude of times already.

First of all, it's not a child, second of all, if you or me would have the same activity in the cerebral cortex as a pre week 25 fetus we would be clinically dead.

You, of course, already know this.

 

[CycloWizard]

Again?

It's not like i haven't done this a multitude of times already.

First of all, it's not a child, second of all, if you or me would have the same activity in the cerebral cortex as a pre week 25 fetus we would be clinically dead.

You, of course, already know this.

Why isn't it a child? Why does its cerebral cortex activity level matter? Here's a good place to start if you want to have any discussion on this topic:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=1429735&highlight=

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Why isn't it a child? Why does its cerebral cortex activity level matter? Here's a good place to start if you want to have any discussion on this topic:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=1429735&highlight=

How do you kill a human (note: not a human being, a human being MUST per definition have a cerebral cortex that is active beyond random impules, the cerebral cortex is what makes you into you, without it you are nothing but a lump of flesh, no personality, no thoughts, no nothing, no being) that is not alive? Is it murder harvest organs from a clinically dead body?

I was under the impression that you had some knowledge regarding the stages of development and the definitions that are used and i'm fairly sure you do. You just ignore them because of your brainwashing.

Hence my first comment to you.

Edit: Wow, i didn't realise you didn't understand the stages of development and brain functions, i'll refrain from that thread since it's started with a fucked up premise that anyone who ever actually looked into the matter would see is completely wrong.

 

[CycloWizard]

How do you kill a human (note: not a human being, a human being MUST per definition have a cerebral cortex that is active beyond random impules, the cerebral cortex is what makes you into you, without it you are nothing but a lump of flesh, no personality, no thoughts, no nothing, no being) that is not alive? Is it murder harvest organs from a clinically dead body?

I was under the impression that you had some knowledge regarding the stages of development and the definitions that are used and i'm fairly sure you do. You just ignore them because of your brainwashing.

Hence my first comment to you.

Edit: Wow, i didn't realise you didn't understand the stages of development and brain functions, i'll refrain from that thread since it's started with a fucked up premise that anyone who ever actually looked into the matter would see is completely wrong.

From this post I can state the following:
1. You don't understand what a human is;
2. You don't understand how debate works; and
3. You don't understand the basis of abortion law and related court decisions in the US.

Given these three, there is little point in discussing anything on the topic with you. Let me know when you can uncover what a human is and/or how human is defined.

 

[Moonbeam]

Moonbeam: I take it also, you are a staunch defender of the right of women to abortion, eh. No guns to the head to have the child?

CW: Did someone hold a gun to her head to force her to become impregnated? Even if the answer is yes, how can the mother hold the gun to the head of the child and pull the trigger, thereby infringing its right to life?

M: What difference does it make how. That's not your business. A woman is either the master of her body or not. It is her absolute right to determine whether to have a child or not. It is her absolute right to determine what is absolutely right for her. Stick your own absolutes up your own ass. You get to not have an abortion yourself and since you're a male the issue doesn't even involve you in any way.

CW: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

M: that if women want abortions they can get them.

CW: The role of government is to protect the rights of all citizens.

M: Yup, the roll of government is to protect women's right to abortion from nut cases like you who think YOUR TRUTH should be shoved up other people's ass because you have an imaginary playmate buzzing in your head. But when MY TRUTH, that you can be forced to pay taxes for other people's health care comes along, suddenly it's me that's the Nazi.

You fucking idiot. Your truth is no better than mine and I'm winning on abortion and I'm winning on health care, because, so far, the Supreme Court in the Constitution you quoted says my truth is the truth of the land. Nanner nanner nanner. My imaginary playmate can whip your imaginary playmate any day of the week here in the real world.

Quote:
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it

M: Yup, welcome to health care reform and legal abortion. Join the revolution.
http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/ [/quote]

 

[cubeless]

i just laugh reading these, because all i can picture id the old snl skit with curtin and aykroyd doing the news and just waiting for 'jane, you ignorant slut'...

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

From this post I can state the following:
1. You don't understand what a human is;
2. You don't understand how debate works; and
3. You don't understand the basis of abortion law and related court decisions in the US.

Given these three, there is little point in discussing anything on the topic with you. Let me know when you can uncover what a human is and/or how human is defined.

1. I made the definition clear, a human can be dead, a human being is alive, that you don't even get simple definitions isn't my problem, you're just fucked up in your head from your Catholic brainwashing sessions since you were a toddler, that isn't my fault, blame your parents.

2. A debate cannot be had when clear definitions cannot be understood by someone incapable to think for themselves refers to fetuses that are per definition not alive as children, that much is clear.

3. I don't give a fuck about the US laws on the matter, they don't matter in the least to me NOR do they change any facts regarding fetal development.

Given these three points, there is little use of trying to discuss this with a brainwashed Catholic who doesn't give a fuck about common sense or known development but is stuck in the rut his crazy arsed parents put him on when he was a toddler.

I'm sorry if reality doesn't agree with your beliefs but when reality or imaginary bullsheit is on the table, reality trumphs whatever imaginary bullsheit you might believe, learn to live with that because regardless of what you want, reality is real.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

My apologies to Carmen, but i can't let twats like that just rip the truth apart.

Perhaps you realise where profanity has it's place now and don't say you don't want to call CW a fucked up piece of sheit because i know you do.

So feel free to do so.

 

[CycloWizard]

M: What difference does it make how. That's not your business. A woman is either the master of her body or not. It is her absolute right to determine whether to have a child or not. It is her absolute right to determine what is absolutely right for her. Stick your own absolutes up your own ass. You get to not have an abortion yourself and since you're a male the issue doesn't even involve you in any way.

You could have just typed, "Neener neener! Only my opinion counts!" and saved yourself a lot of trouble. Assuming the problem away so that you don't have to deal with it is not a solution - it's simply your lazy way out. Though since you're a great feeler but not much of a thinker, I wouldn't expect you to attempt to tackle such a difficult problem. No worries - those of us who are thinkers will be more than happy to get into the thinking problems. Continue feeling that you have everything figured out without realizing that your feelings have led to yet another contradiction.

 

[CycloWizard]

1. I made the definition clear, a human can be dead, a human being is alive, that you don't even get simple definitions isn't my problem, you're just fucked up in your head from your Catholic brainwashing sessions since you were a toddler, that isn't my fault, blame your parents.

You don't get to define words as you see fit - that's not how language works. I suppose that's why you prefer profanity: it's easier for your mind to process words that have many definitions.

2. A debate cannot be had when clear definitions cannot be understood by someone incapable to think for themselves refers to fetuses that are per definition not alive as children, that much is clear.

You have defined them as such, thereby invoking the logical fallacy known as "begging the question." You want me to debate a logical fallacy? You're dumber than I thought.

3. I don't give a fuck about the US laws on the matter, they don't matter in the least to me NOR do they change any facts regarding fetal development.

Then why are you responding to posts which are discussing US law? If you want to discuss fetal development, why not start another thread?

Given these three points, there is little use of trying to discuss this with a brainwashed Catholic who doesn't give a fuck about common sense or known development but is stuck in the rut his crazy arsed parents put him on when he was a toddler.

I'm sorry if reality doesn't agree with your beliefs but when reality or imaginary bullsheit is on the table, reality trumphs whatever imaginary bullsheit you might believe, learn to live with that because regardless of what you want, reality is real.

Translation: I can't rebut anything he's said, so I'll poison the well - another classic logical fallacy. Let me know when you can tell me why I'm wrong without resorting to irrationality.

 

[MJinZ]

You don't get to define words as you see fit - that's not how language works. I suppose that's why you prefer profanity: it's easier for your mind to process words that have many definitions.

You have defined them as such, thereby invoking the logical fallacy known as "begging the question." You want me to debate a logical fallacy? You're dumber than I thought.

Then why are you responding to posts which are discussing US law? If you want to discuss fetal development, why not start another thread?

Translation: I can't rebut anything he's said, so I'll poison the well - another classic logical fallacy. Let me know when you can tell me why I'm wrong without resorting to irrationality.

Words are defined by how they are used. That IS how language works.

 

[CycloWizard]

My apologies to Carmen, but i can't let twats like that just rip the truth apart.

Perhaps you realise where profanity has it's place now and don't say you don't want to call CW a fucked up piece of sheit because i know you do.

So feel free to do so.

I know that for all the time I spent in school learning things like engineering, science, philosophy, and logic, you spent as much time drinking and getting shot at. However, that doesn't give you any excuse for being such an asshole. When I ask you a simple question, like "why?" try giving a simple, logical answer.

 

[CycloWizard]

Words are defined by how they are used. That IS how language works.

Fjotuoi Poifadsf madsfa.

See how productive your definition of language is? You have no idea what I just said. That's why people write these books called "Dictionaries" which conventionalize the rules of language so that it can actually be used to communicate. There are plenty of examples of dictionaries online which may be used to facilitate the process of learning to express your ideas so that others can understand you.

edit: Allow me to include a pertinent example:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/human

Main Entry: human
Function: noun
Date: circa 1533
: a bipedal primate mammal (Homo sapiens) : man; broadly : hominid
— hu·man·like \-mən-ˌlīk\ adjective

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

You don't get to define words as you see fit - that's not how language works. I suppose that's why you prefer profanity: it's easier for your mind to process words that have many definitions.

You have defined them as such, thereby invoking the logical fallacy known as "begging the question." You want me to debate a logical fallacy? You're dumber than I thought.

Then why are you responding to posts which are discussing US law? If you want to discuss fetal development, why not start another thread?

Translation: I can't rebut anything he's said, so I'll poison the well - another classic logical fallacy. Let me know when you can tell me why I'm wrong without resorting to irrationality.

I give up, you are so fucked up in your head that you actually think that medical definitions used clinically are mine...


Christ, i'm not even sure YOU have a fully functioning cerebral cortex.

I'm responding to posts regarding abortion, no one even FUCKING MENTIONED US law you utterly retarded fucking twat.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Well this thread went exactly where the OP wanted it to 🙄

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I know that for all the time I spent in school learning things like engineering, science, philosophy, and logic, you spent as much time drinking and getting shot at. However, that doesn't give you any excuse for being such an asshole. When I ask you a simple question, like "why?" try giving a simple, logical answer.

You mean the time you were in school rejecting all science because of what your fucktards of parents brainwashed you with?

If so, ok, i sure, that is an excuse, i guess.