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A simple networking question

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rootaxs

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Hi,

I've got two comps, both on the same subnet but are not networked. One is running 98, the other Win2k server. They're both connected via a switch to my router.

Question: How do i network these two comps? Do i just allow access to IP's between each other or do i install secondary NIC's on both computers and let that have an internal IP addressing scheme.

Thanks. 🙂
 
How can two computers be on the same subnet but not be networked? Do you mean that they are attached to the same switch but can't see each other, or do you mean that their assigned IP addresses are within the same block of numbers (subnet)? If they just can't see each other, but they can see any other computers on the network, then they probably either don't have the same client installed (Client for Microsoft Networks or Client for Netware networks) or they don't have the same protocol installed (if they both have IP addresses, then that's not the problem...) or else they just need to be assigned to the same workgroup under Network Properties/Identification...
 
Fardringle is generally correct. If the two machines have the same network ID, and are on the same switch, then they are networked. Whether or not it is working may be something different entirely but you need to give a bit more info.
 
whoops! sorry about that then 🙂

Well, basically i have two computers each with their own static IP. I've connected these via a switch which in turn is attached to the router.

They both can see each other but not as a LAN, in that i can't browse through the other computer in my network neighborhood.

I hope that's clearer 🙂
 
If i ping one computer from the other it's ok... basically i mean they're both on the 'net and can see each other as computers connected to the 'net and not as a LAN.

hmm.. i'm running out of descriptions LOL!
 
if you can ping each other then it just a matter of time for the computer browser service to generate the list of computers, workgroups, domains. If you want to access the computer, either use the Search for computers function or type in the computer name in the Run command which will bring you directly to the computer share resources.

example:

in the run command, you type \\computername

from the search for computers, you type \\computername
 
I think i'm just not communicating right {🙂

Ok. here's a more descriptive description hehe...

P.S. substitute spaces for the apostrophe's, the board doesn't seem to recognize multiple spaces...

Comp 1 - 216.254.25.xx
Comp 2 - 216.254.25.nn

comp 1 -->|
``````````|---> switch ---> router ---> internet
comp 2 -->|

Technically they're not connected to each other as a local network but as two totally independent computers on the internet in fact neither of these computers have networking enabled on them.

That's my question, how do i do it in such a way that i won't have to assign reserved local IP's to each one of them (10.0.0.a/b) for them to see each other as being in the same Local Area Network?

If this isn't possible, then should i go for local ip addressing would i have to install secondary NIC's on each comp and connect each other so that:


comp 1 - .x ->|
`.a```````````|
``|```````````|
``|```````````|---> switch ---> router ---> internet
``|```````````|
`.b```````````|
comp 2 - .y ->|

Am i making sense? hehehe... 🙂





 
A switch is no different from a hub except dedicated port for a NIC. They should see each other if they're on the subnet. Are those IP addresses assigned from your ISP? If yes, then I don't understand why you're using the router as a NAT. Are you calling your cable modem or DSL modem a router?

Here's an easily solution:
Load NetBEUI protocol on both PCs.
 
It's a combination router/modem. I'm not using NAT at all. Both PC's can see each other since i can ftp from one computer to the other and vice versa but the way they're set-up is pretty much like me having .xx in China and you having .nn on the other side of the world. I can't just click on MS Explorer and go to network neighborhood like i do in the office with 100+ workstations in a LAN.

NetBUI eh? I'll see if that works. tnx!

(p.s. that dslreports thing was pretty helpful!)
 
Give each PC an unique computer name with the same workgroup... then install NetBeui... they should be able to see each other after that...
 
How 'bout just installing File and Printer Sharing? It's obvious and easy, but that just may be the problem we're encountering here. If they're not showing up in the Network Browser, but they can be "pinged" then they just need to share some resources out to "see" eachother according to your "LAN" definition.
 
He needs to install netbeui. he is using two external addresses so there is basically no internal network, if I am understanding everythign correctly.
 
bigshooter you got it right! i don't have a network at all, so all i have to do is install NetBEUI and i'm all set? cool! Is there anything i need to know?
 
Wrong, you are on a LAN if those 2 IP's have the same subnet mask. Well that is not necessarily true but pretty likely, especially if the IP's are consecutive. Dont know where you are getting that just because they have public IP's the are not networked internally. File and printer sharing may be another story, but they are networked. As long as you have file and printer sharing enabled you should be fine, but you probably still should install NetBEUI for your local file/printer sharing and unbind TCP/IP from your client logon.
 
Yes, NetBEUI may help solve your resolution problems, although it is likely NOT required, but he is wrong about "two external addresses so there is basically no internal network". Public IP's do not disallow local file and printer sharing services. That is as long as the two IP's have the same network ID. (What is your mask rootaxs?) That is not a given here so it is possible that he does need another protocol installed to browse locally. IPX would work also, but NetBEUI is easy and quick, especially for situations just like this.
 
Well technically speaking they are networked for the fact that they are connected to the Internet, each computer having its own static IP assigned by my ISP.

But they are in no means connected in a LAN configuration - which is what i'm trying to figure out how to do. If you're talking about my subnet mask, it's 255.255.255.0.

You know what? forget that i have static/isp-assigned IP's... just tell me, how do i connect both computers in a LAN set-up?

tnx! 🙂
 
Your Router creates your LAN. Although I cant speak to your situation specifically, just because you have public IP's does not mean you do not have a LAN.
 
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