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wpshooter

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Please let me say at the very outset that I think these guys and gals that are preying on children should figuratively have the jail dropped on them.

BUT. It seems to me that, at least in some of these cases, of these adults preying on children on the internet, is overlooking the fact that some of these "children" are at least partially to blame for these instances of child predation, i.e. as the old saying goes it takes two to tango.

With the sofistication of todays' children, I find it hard to believe that most of these children are not aware of what they are likely to get involved in when they have someone they are communicating with on the internet begin to talk to them about sexual matters.

I noticed that on yesterdays' news that the girl that they had testifying before Congress said that when she was communicating with the adult male (that evenutally ended in her being sexually abused) that sexual matters was not the only thing that they talked about on-line. She basically said that this guy was talking to her as if he was her friend and that they talked about all kind of things and not ONLY sex. I find it hard to believe that at least part of the blame for her predicament does not lay at her feet.

And what puzzles me is that apparently the news media is just afraid to point out that there are two parties to these internet communications and that if someone on-line starts to talk about such matters at all, that the minor bears some responsibility for just ENDING the communications right then and there. I don't think there is a way for anyone on the other end of these communications to FORCE me to continue to type on this keyboard. I have seen numerous reports on this matter and none that I have ever seen have mentioned this. Apparently, it is politically incorrect for them to mention this.

There is an old saying that it is very hard to scam a person that is not greedy. I think, at least in part, this old adage applies here.

Thanks.
 
No,no,no. The ADULT has the responsiblity to break off communication. A minor is just that, a minor.
 
Yeah they should be expected to not get into stupid situations. Some kids are dumb though and we all know that teens feel invincible, like nothing bad can happen to them.
 
I think you're giving kids too much credit. They certainly try to ACT sophisticated, but like most things when you're a kid, it's all an act. The majority of kids certainly do not seem to have a good idea of the risks of their behavior, and I think anyone who remembers BEING a kid will agree. Kids aren't completely witless either, but comparing them to an actual adult is silly.
 
Originally posted by: techs
No,no,no. The ADULT has the responsiblity to break off communication. A minor is just that, a minor.
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Don't be silly. We expect things from our kids. Will you teach your children to not talk to strangers and take candy from them? Of course you will. Same thing here.
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Yeah they should be expected to not get into stupid situations. Some kids are dumb though and we all know that teens feel invincible, like nothing bad can happen to them.
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Why should we expect them to know the difference? They're still KIDS, there is a reason for that. Nobody instantly knows everything about the world around them, that's what the whole growing up process is for.
 
I understand your point, but is a child were to approach an adult dressed sexily, with sexual photos and a seductive message and offer to do fun sexual things, the responsibility still lies with the adult to say 'no'.

Sure, the adult might not have done it if the child hadn't been enticing, but the fact is that children often have poor judgement and problems leading them to sexual behaviors - in short, society has said that they are not prepare to make the decision to get sexually involved with an adult. The adult can note the enticement, but cannot use it as justification for accepting the advances.
 
I agree. Its also a very emotional subject. Although I agree those convicted should have harsh penalties, this latest trend of sting operations, IMHO, is borderline entrapmnent. I dont think we should get the bad guys "at all costs". If you have to coerce or set someone up to commit a crime, THAT is entrapment. Off subject a little though.

Ive said many times if people think kids somehow gain intelligent consent at 18 they are ignorant. Many kids, not all of course, are perfectly capable of making informed sexual decisions at 15. Nowadays the difference between 15 and 18 is very little. Many other countries recognize this also based on their age of consent laws. 12 or 13? Nah thats too young. But certainly a 15 or 16 year old is perfectly capable of making informed sexual decisions at that age. Why do so many states allow a 15 year old to make a decision of getting an abortion without parental consent but we dont give them the benfit of the doubt of who they want to sleep with? It doesnt make sense.
 
I understand your point, but is a child were to approach an adult dressed sexily, with sexual photos and a seductive message and offer to do fun sexual things, the responsibility still lies with the adult to say 'no'.
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Would you walk carefree down the most dangerous alley in the most dangerous city counting money?
 
It's the responsibility of the adult to recognize that he/she is breaking the law and compromising a minor.

A professor at my highschool was caught having had relations with a girl for three years. She was 13 when they started and was 16 when they stopped. He was a wonderful guy and I really enjoyed him as a teacher. Furthermore, she sent him all sorts of seductive notes and sexy things.

In the end, it doesn't matter whether she came on to him or not, it was his responsibility to respect both the law and her as a person. She may have been getting a thrill from it, but she certainly wasn't in the same mindset as he was, and his actions landed him soundly in prison. I hope he's alright, I certainly don't think that he raped her in the traditional sense, but his actions were both disrespectful to her and dishonorable.
 
No,no,no. The ADULT has the responsiblity to break off communication. A minor is just that, a minor.
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Of course this would be a non issue if parents took a more active role in monitoring their children online.

When I was growing up, there were certainly dangers and threats out there...the world hasn't become a more evil place because of the internet...and my parents, like others, took certain ACTIVE steps to protect their children...i.e. driving me to various events, rather than allowing me to take public transportation; endless lectures on not talking to strangers; never leaving me unsupervised at a mall or public place; etc. etc.

The internet is easy to contol because the access point exists IN YOUR OWN HOME. Want to protect your kids from predators...start with putting safeguards on your home computers.

You state that the ADULT has the responsibility to break of communication...well some of these adults have some serious mental issues, and were perhaps victims of abuse themselves...like any disease or mental illness, they perhaps are incapable of taking that responsibility...similarly, I think some of these predators are not predators at all, but instead are simply knuckleheads who encounter the forbidden fruit online, and allow fantasy to take precedence over moral or legal judgement.
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
I understand your point, but is a child were to approach an adult dressed sexily, with sexual photos and a seductive message and offer to do fun sexual things, the responsibility still lies with the adult to say 'no'.
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Would you walk carefree down the most dangerous alley in the most dangerous city counting money?
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The appropriate question is, would I answer an analogy not having much to do with the topic?🙂
 
Do kids act dumb? Yes. Is a 14 year old girl stupid for coming onto a 30 year old man on the internet? Yes. Is being stupid illegal? Not really. Preying on kids (who by their nature will often do stupid things) is illegal. There is no excuse, and any guy who was to say "she was all over me" needs to man up and face the music. Get some ass within your own age group.
 
Some people allow themselves to be abused all the time ? child or not. Call it natural selection for horrible parents ? the consequences which rectify themselves upon the kids.

As a society we work to prevent these horrific consequences, but then those kids live on to have more kids who share the same flaw and the cycle continues with a greater percentage of the population susceptible to this.

We are entrapped in our own fostering. It is said that societies are judged by how they treat the weakest among them, yet the irony of it all is that we thus preserve and will become encompassed by those weaknesses having prevented natural selection from weeding them out. Then society collapses and the cycle starts over again.

You don?t escape natural selection, but those who would prey on others must be removed from the face of the earth.
 
If I am walking through a store and find a wallet with a $100 in it do I take the money thinking ?they shouldn?t have dropped it? or do I do the right thing and turn the wallet in?

As an adult you should do the right thing regardless of what the person on the other end of the conversation is offering.

I think the vast majority of these cases are guys out there looking for that young or under aged girl to hook up with. I think the cops go out of their way to make sure they don?t catch some poor guy just looking for someone to talk to. That is why they usually use rooms like ?dad?s and daughters? (as they did in Fl recently)
 
What I consider fascinating is this.

If a Adult gets a minor to have Sex with him/her the adult is held %100 responsible and the minor is not held responsible.

If this same adult convinced a minor to help him commit a murder then these same people would hold both the minor and adult responsible for the murder and would yell about trying the minor as a adult.

It seems like some people want to say that a minor cannot understand the consequences of Sex but at the same time they can understand the consequences of criminal activity. To me this seems contrary. If you are old enough to be tried as a adult for a crime then you should be old enough to consent to have Sex.
 
Originally posted by: Brovane
What I consider fascinating is this.

If a Adult gets a minor to have Sex with him/her the adult is held %100 responsible and the minor is not held responsible.

If this same adult convinced a minor to help him commit a murder then these same people would hold both the minor and adult responsible for the murder and would yell about trying the minor as a adult.

It seems like some people want to say that a minor cannot understand the consequences of Sex but at the same time they can understand the consequences of criminal activity. To me this seems contrary. If you are old enough to be tried as a adult for a crime then you should be old enough to consent to have Sex.
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Interesting logic.

I think that in both cases, the adult is blamed for wrong; and that the minor is treated differently basically because in one case, they are the one 'hurt', the other, they hurt.

On a practical level, people say 'should we have children consenting to sex' and most say no; they say 'should we have criminal accountability for children who murder' and say yes.

You do make an interesting point, though, and I think the public's 'tough on crime' bloodlust that pushes for trying minors as adults can create the inconsistency you mention.
 
Originally posted by: techs
No,no,no. The ADULT has the responsiblity to break off communication. A minor is just that, a minor.
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Yup... OP's comments are a long-winded version of "she was asking for it"

There are some thing you just don't do. These things are absolutes. One of those things is that you don't seek out children for your own sexual gratification. It's a pretty simple thing really.

 
Originally posted by: Brovane
What I consider fascinating is this.

If a Adult gets a minor to have Sex with him/her the adult is held %100 responsible and the minor is not held responsible.

If this same adult convinced a minor to help him commit a murder then these same people would hold both the minor and adult responsible for the murder and would yell about trying the minor as a adult.

It seems like some people want to say that a minor cannot understand the consequences of Sex but at the same time they can understand the consequences of criminal activity. To me this seems contrary. If you are old enough to be tried as a adult for a crime then you should be old enough to consent to have Sex.
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Kinda my thinking too about my post above.
 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: techs
No,no,no. The ADULT has the responsiblity to break off communication. A minor is just that, a minor.
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Yup... OP's comments are a long-winded version of "she was asking for it"

There are some thing you just don't do. These things are absolutes. One of those things is that you don't seek out children for your own sexual gratification. It's a pretty simple thing really.
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I wouldnt call a 16 year old a child...unless the person is going after 11 year olds, then yeah.
 
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: techs
No,no,no. The ADULT has the responsiblity to break off communication. A minor is just that, a minor.
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Yup... OP's comments are a long-winded version of "she was asking for it"

There are some thing you just don't do. These things are absolutes. One of those things is that you don't seek out children for your own sexual gratification. It's a pretty simple thing really.
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I wouldnt call a 16 year old a child...unless the person is going after 11 year olds, then yeah.
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At 35 I consider a 16 year old to be a child. I see where some of you are trying to blur the line between basic human biology and law... but it doesn't change things. Society is clear about where the line gets drawn. The law is pretty clear about these things. If you don't want to go to jail over a 'fling' then don't chase down teenagers.

It's not that hard to get sex over the 'net... Which is one of the reasons why these crimes are so vigorously pursued... Only a predator would chase down a kid. A normal person would aim for someone 'of age' and avoid the issue altogether.



 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: techs
No,no,no. The ADULT has the responsiblity to break off communication. A minor is just that, a minor.
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Yup... OP's comments are a long-winded version of "she was asking for it"

There are some thing you just don't do. These things are absolutes. One of those things is that you don't seek out children for your own sexual gratification. It's a pretty simple thing really.
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You're right because in this case the child does literally ask for it.
 
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: techs
No,no,no. The ADULT has the responsiblity to break off communication. A minor is just that, a minor.
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Yup... OP's comments are a long-winded version of "she was asking for it"

There are some thing you just don't do. These things are absolutes. One of those things is that you don't seek out children for your own sexual gratification. It's a pretty simple thing really.
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You're right because in this case the child does literally ask for it.
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And that makes it allll ok... gotcha.

"yer honor.... ordinarily I don't chase teenaged girls but she wanted me sooo bad. how was I gonna say no?"

Good luck with that.
 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: techs
No,no,no. The ADULT has the responsiblity to break off communication. A minor is just that, a minor.
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Yup... OP's comments are a long-winded version of "she was asking for it"

There are some thing you just don't do. These things are absolutes. One of those things is that you don't seek out children for your own sexual gratification. It's a pretty simple thing really.
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You're right because in this case the child does literally ask for it.
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And that makes it allll ok... gotcha.

"yer honor.... ordinarily I don't chase teenaged girls but she wanted me sooo bad. how was I gonna say no?"

Good luck with that.
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Hows that jump to conclusion map treating you?
 
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