A review of the civilian casualities in Iraq

Specop 007

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Very interesting. I always knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the medi was feeding us a line of sh1t on what the civilian casualty count was. No suprise, the media hates Republicans and will do anything it can to discredit them and theirs (Including putting black X's on their faces during broadcasts), so its nice to finally see a breakdown of the casualties thats believable.

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Polish3d

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Either way, and interestingly and hypocritically enough, far more Iraqi civilians died under Clinton-era sanctions.

I'm sure if you ask the average Iraqi, they will say they prefer a government of their own rather than the debilitating sanctions and Saddam Hussein in power.
 

EatSpam

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Originally posted by: Frackal
Either way, and interestingly and hypocritically enough, far more Iraqi civilians died under Clinton-era sanctions.

I'm sure if you ask the average Iraqi, they will say they prefer a government of their own rather than the debilitating sanctions and Saddam Hussein in power.

Then we should probably leave since I doubt they want an American puppet government either.
 

magomago

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Originally posted by: Frackal
Either way, and interestingly and hypocritically enough, far more Iraqi civilians died under Clinton-era sanctions.

I'm sure if you ask the average Iraqi, they will say they prefer a government of their own rather than the debilitating sanctions and Saddam Hussein in power.

Yeah than leave Iraqis to their OWN government. Let them go through Saddam Hussein and have their own revolution. Let their own blood be split for their own country. After Saddam would have died, there is no way that he would have been able to pass on power to his sons. Everyone there hated both his sons and thought they were immature brats...that is something that shouldn't be a suprise to anyone who knows what is going on there.

You are right. Sanctions are horrible and killed a million Iraqi children for no damned reason other than giving the USA a hardon about "containing Saddam", but what Bush did is FAR a greater transgression. Atleast Clinton didnt invade and occupy the bloody country...and oh my it is bloody.
To me it is like saying Clinton was a huge a-hole, and Bush is a huge a-hole...but the rate at which Bush's hole grows is faster than the rate at which Clinton's hole grows.
 

arsbanned

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Originally posted by: Frackal
Either way, and interestingly and hypocritically enough, far more Iraqi civilians died under Clinton-era sanctions.

I'm sure if you ask the average Iraqi, they will say they prefer a government of their own rather than the debilitating sanctions and Saddam Hussein in power.

Glad to see you arguing for withdrawal.
 

jimkyser

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His whole premise of discounting casualties if they don't match the demographics is completely crap. If you were to flip a coin 100 times and get 80 heads and 20 tails, would you state that you flipped it 40 times and the other 60 were just anomalies?

Adult men are more likely to be killed because the random bombs/bullets he's assuming exist, don't. Men who are of 'fighting age' are far less likely to survive a confrontation with the coalition forces than say a 10 year old girl. Men are more likely in a Muslim society, even a liberal one like Iraq, to drive any vehicle or hold a job. As the driver, they are more likely to be targeted when one of the roving road blocks fires on a vehicle. Going out of your house to go to your job greatly increases the likelihood that you will be killed or injured.

Remember that family that was shot upon at one of these road blocks last year. The father was trying to get home before the curfew. Random bullets should have killed equal numbers on children and adults, but the kids lived. Because the bullets weren't so random. They were aimed at the driver and he was killed.

Also, remember when we were trying to 'cut off the head of the snake' and based on 'credible and verifiable' evidence we bombed a house in Baghdad? We killed several innocent people. I think only one of them was a child. Based on this guy's 'logic', at least some of the others must have been combatants.

Based on this guy's 'logic', Bush couldn't have carried Ohio in the last election because the exit polls said that Kerry won. The exit pollsters didn't discriminate in who they asked, so just like his indiscriminate bombs, they should have asked people in proportion to the way they voted. Unfortunately for him and Kerry, statistics don't work that way. They can be used as a PREDICTOR, but the results do not need to follow the prediction.
 

Meuge

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Very interesting. I always knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the medi was feeding us a line of sh1t on what the civilian casualty count was. No suprise, the media hates Republicans and will do anything it can to discredit them and theirs (Including putting black X's on their faces during broadcasts), so its nice to finally see a breakdown of the casualties thats believable.

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What I love is how people keep screeching at the top of their lungs about "liberal media", when the people who own the media companies are some of the most staunch conservatives in America.
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Very interesting. I always knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the medi was feeding us a line of sh1t on what the civilian casualty count was. No suprise, the media hates Republicans and will do anything it can to discredit them and theirs (Including putting black X's on their faces during broadcasts), so its nice to finally see a breakdown of the casualties thats believable.

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Yeah, it's nice to finally see a website that posts a breakdown of the casualties that YOU find believable. Only took a couple of years to find it, too. :roll:
 

dr6 7 nb

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
It appears we killed "only" 25,000 civilian Iraqis. WooHoo!


hi, i read a report last year sometime, it said the iraqi death toll was more between 100,000 - 200,000. most of the casualties were during the initial "Shock & Awe" campaign.
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: Meuge
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Very interesting. I always knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the medi was feeding us a line of sh1t on what the civilian casualty count was. No suprise, the media hates Republicans and will do anything it can to discredit them and theirs (Including putting black X's on their faces during broadcasts), so its nice to finally see a breakdown of the casualties thats believable.

Click

What I love is how people keep screeching at the top of their lungs about "liberal media", when the people who own the media companies are some of the most staunch conservatives in America.


Yeah it's funny...

the mass media empires right now are just corporate entities, and Republicans are by nature, the party for corporations

it's as silly as saying "wealthy Americans hate Republicans"