A rather opinionated post from a vietnem vet

[Pliablemoose]

Out of the thousands of Vietnam era vets I know, the ones who wear it on their sleeve are truly the lamest...

From his post:

Now many veterans have been cut off from medical care or other benefits that were promised them for risking their lives to further America's fascism abroad.

They were not promised free medical care for the remainder of their life for all medical conditions.

Getting service connected for an injury that occurred is so freaking easy, it's an embarrassment, do any of you feel that someone who served in the US military for 2 years should be entitled to free medical care & medicine for life? For all illnesses?

Please note that I'm not saying that a serviceman injured while in the military should not recieve free care for life for the injury and every possible side effect, etc...

He's a tool.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Out of the thousands of Vietnam era vets I know, the ones who wear it on their sleeve are truly the lamest...

From his post:

Now many veterans have been cut off from medical care or other benefits that were promised them for risking their lives to further America's fascism abroad.

They were not promised free medical care for the remainder of their life for all medical conditions.

Getting service connected for an injury that occurred is so freaking easy, it's an embarrassment, do any of you feel that someone who served in the US military for 2 years should be entitled to free medical care & medicine for life? For all illnesses?

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Yes

I know your work has made you seen the worst and you're programmed by the higher ups though memos and policy to limit benefits. But the bottom line is they sacificed both in low ass pay, freedom and potentially thier life to serve the United States and should be rewarded. as it stands today for every scammer another ligitemite complaint is being ignored.


Wearing it on his sleave. He mentiones it once..Ya sure. Both Happy and Dave regularly make declartions of thier service to give perspective and legitamacy. I have no problem with that. And thank them for it.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: rbloedow I don't care if he is a vet - he needs to take an English class so he can stop writing like a high schooler. God, their are so many fallacies of logic it's boggling.

We should ship you off to iraq to help search for the WMD's

I would be happy if he stopped making 8 million threads about why he is angry... We know you don't like Bush or agree with his actions, got anything relevant to add?

Are you talking about me? I'm never angry, nor do I often post in the Politics forum

 

[chrisms]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
If Gore won he would be president, talk about psychosis....

"He just killed over 10,000 innocent Iraqi Civilians"

anyone else smell that??????

the rest isn't any better, what a bunch of complete crap, this guy sounds like Dale from King of the Hill.....

How were those Iraqis guilty of anything? Every single Iraqi that the U.S. killed was innocent. We invaded their country, we fired the first shot (9/11 was done by Saudis representing a terrorist organization), so that makes the Iraqis who fought and died for Saddam completely justified in their pursuit to kill American soldiers.

Not that I want Americans killed, but the fact is the Iraqis who killed them, or attempt to, are not the "bad guys."

I was a big supporter of the war before it started. But now that it is over, the true intentions of the Bush administration are being shown. The kind of intentions I viewed as "radical" before the war.

 

[Zebo]

I was a big supporter of the war before it started. But now that it is over, the true intentions of the Bush administration are being shown. The kind of intentions I viewed as "radical" before the war.

Hehe me too. I feel like a sucker buying into this concept of killing them to free them when indeed self-determination by Iraqis is the last thing on Bushs mind.

 

[LunarRay]

Andrew,

I am not quite sure what is worse: the obviously insane ramblings of someone who may or may not be a Vietnam veteran, or the pathetic "Amens" from the anti-government conspiracy theorists here. That rant is like a militiaman's manifesto.
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While reading this thread I kept coming back to this part of your post. It causes one to think and reflect back... From your post "who may or may not be a Vietnam veteran" If the fellow was not but wanted to be recognized as one, ought to make folks who were, proud! Imagine that... some one wants to be seen as a Vietnam vet...

"the obviously insane ramblings" Pent up frustration from awhile ago, no doubt. Seeing once again, in real time, yesterday!

" the pathetic "Amens" from the anti-government conspiracy theorists here." What is the difference between their's and the insanity of the war supporters? Is their (your) position so self evident that to not see it reduces what one holds to be their honest belief to insanity?

"That rant is like a militiaman's manifesto." Have we not heard both sides rant... is your post not a rant? I see the side you stand on. The fence is not that tall. I figure your position just as reasoned as the other. You choose to believe the meal is steak but some see veggie burger.

Another post exclaims the wearing of one's Vietnam participation on one's sleeve as 'lame'. Hopefully we each have something that we are proud of. Those who survived the Vietnam experience, many of them, exist today as a percentage of what they could have been. Taking a shower in Nha Trang from the Agent Orange WMD that the US sprayed on them might just have ticked them off a bit. To wear combat ribbons on ragged civilian cloths garners my salute! They can't afford the suit and lapel pin. 58000 dead but many more died and have been since they left that god awful place.
When I see a fellow or lady in uniform I always nod and say thanks! When the Vietnam soldier came back well.... you've heard the stories.
So if you read a story prefaced by "I am a Vietnam Vet" understand he may have a reason to feel the way he does. This is true for either side in my book.

Vietnam was a lie and I suspect Iraq is more than what has been stated. If it turns out a lie... hopefully, the folks who served in it will not be seen in the same light, by the anti war folks, as the ones who served in the Vietnam lie.

 

[Moonbeam]

They say some of the returning vets were treated poorly because they fought with the government in a mistakened war. Boy does the right wing make an issue of that. That was so so many years ago. But look now, the right wing pissing on the vets who have turned against war. Disgusting.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Out of the thousands of Vietnam era vets I know, the ones who wear it on their sleeve are truly the lamest...

From his post:

Now many veterans have been cut off from medical care or other benefits that were promised them for risking their lives to further America's fascism abroad.

They were not promised free medical care for the remainder of their life for all medical conditions.

Getting service connected for an injury that occurred is so freaking easy, it's an embarrassment, do any of you feel that someone who served in the US military for 2 years should be entitled to free medical care & medicine for life? For all illnesses?

.

Yes

I know your work has made you seen the worst and you're programmed by the higher ups though memos and policy to limit benefits. But the bottom line is they sacificed both in low ass pay, freedom and potentially thier life to serve the United States and should be rewarded. as it stands today for every scammer another ligitemite complaint is being ignored.


Wearing it on his sleave. He mentiones it once..Ya sure. Both Happy and Dave regularly make declartions of thier service to give perspective and legitamacy. I have no problem with that. And thank them for it.

If you knew me @ all, you'd know my "higher-ups" opinion on any subject is of absolutely no interest to me. Vet Benefits are completely regulated by congress (and many states have veteran programs, but nothing of the scale of the DVA). Vietnam era vets were not promised free health care for life, WW1 & WW2 vets were, and to some degree the Korean War vets were.

Another quote from the letter:

Crime is rampant because this is a culture of fear, hatred, cruelty and viciousness. There is nothing loving about our society, it is 250+ million people living alienated and isolated and dying of their own self-induced heart disease and cancers. There is no feeling of community in America, everyone's too selfish and neurotic to allow themselves the personal growth required to call out for natural community and against all the paranoid fear that lies at the core of American Morality.

Crime is @ some of the lowest rates in decades, does the author read or just have knee jerk beliefs in what the media portrays?

Does this guy volunteer @ a soup kitchen, go to church, help @ a local school, build houses with Habitat for Humanity?

I call BS. He/(or she) is a tool... And they need a refill of their Paxil/Prozac

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Another quote from the letter:

Crime is rampant because this is a culture of fear, hatred, cruelty and viciousness. There is nothing loving about our society, it is 250+ million people living alienated and isolated and dying of their own self-induced heart disease and cancers. There is no feeling of community in America, everyone's too selfish and neurotic to allow themselves the personal growth required to call out for natural community and against all the paranoid fear that lies at the core of American Morality.

Crime is @ some of the lowest rates in decades, does the author read or just have knee jerk beliefs in what the media portrays?

Does this guy volunteer @ a soup kitchen, go to church, help @ a local school, build houses with Habitat for Humanity?

I call BS. He/(or she) is a tool... And they need a refill of their Paxil/Prozac

You're absolutely right. This guy sounds like he just got out of a mental facility and is now living in Montana with a group of militia men with guns trained at their door because they believe that "they" are "after them." Arguing with people like Moonbeam is useless. His beliefs are as radical as they come. He clearly spends most of his days posting to these forums, and more than half of them are just him whining about the Supreme Court choosing the president or some other mindless banter. But when he does it, he does it in quick sentences in an attempt to seem overly intelligent.

Get over it, get out of your house, and join the rest of the world. It's really not that bad.

 

[LunarRay]

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If you knew me @ all, you'd know my "higher-ups" opinion on any subject is of absolutely no interest to me. Vet Benefits are completely regulated by congress (and many states have veteran programs, but nothing of the scale of the DVA). Vietnam era vets were not promised free health care for life, WW1 & WW2 vets were, and to some degree the Korean War vets were.

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What are the Priority Groups?

Once you apply for enrollment, your eligibility will be verified. Based on your specific eligibility status, you will be assigned a priority group.

The priority groups are as follows, ranging from 1-8 with 1 being the highest priority for enrollment. Under the Medical Benefits Package, the same services are generally available to all enrolled veterans.

As of January 17, 2003, VA is not accepting new Priority Group 8 veterans for enrollment (veterans falling into Priority Groups 8e and 8g.)

Priority Group 1

· Veterans with service-connected disabilities rated 50% or more disabling

Priority Group 2
· Veterans with service-connected disabilities rated 30% or 40% disabling

Priority Group 3

· Veterans who are former POWs

· Veterans awarded the Purple Heart

· Veterans whose discharge was for a disability that was incurred or aggravated in the line of duty

· Veterans with service-connected disabilities rated 10% or 20% disabling

· Veterans awarded special eligibility classification under Title 38, U.S.C., Section 1151, "benefits for individuals disabled by treatment or vocational rehabilitation"

Priority Group 4

· Veterans who are receiving aid and attendance or housebound benefits

· Veterans who have been determined by VA to be catastrophically disabled

Priority Group 5

· Nonservice-connected veterans and noncompensable service-connected veterans rated 0% disabled whose annual income and net worth are below the established VA Means Test thresholds

· Veterans receiving VA pension benefits

· Veterans eligible for Medicaid benefits

Priority Group 6

· Compensable 0% service-connected veterans

· World War I veterans

· Mexican Border War veterans

· Veterans solely seeking care for disorders associated with:

§ exposure to herbicides while serving in Vietnam; or

§ exposure to ionizing radiation during atmospheric testing or during the occupation of Hiroshima and Nagasaki; or

§ for disorders associated with service in the Gulf War; or

§ for any illness associated with service in combat in a war after the Gulf War or during a period of hostility after November 11, 1998.

Priority Group 7

Veterans who agree to pay specified copayments with income and/or net worth above the VA Means Test threshold and income below the HUD geographic index

· Subpriority a: Noncompensable 0% service-connected veterans who were enrolled in the VA Health Care System on a specified date and who have remained enrolled since that date

· Subpriority c: Nonservice-connected veterans who were enrolled in the VA Health Care System on a specified date and who have remained enrolled since that date

· Subpriority e: Noncompensable 0% service-connected veterans not included in Subpriority a above

· Subpriority g: Nonservice-connected veterans not included in Subpriority c above

Priority Group 8

Veterans who agree to pay specified copayments with income and/or net worth above the VA Means Test threshold and the HUD geographic index

· Subpriority a: Noncompensable 0% service-connected veterans enrolled as of January 16, 2003 and who have remained enrolled since that date

· Subpriority c: Nonservice-connected veterans enrolled as of January 16, 2003 and who have remained enrolled since that date

· Subpriority e: Noncompensable 0% service-connected veterans applying for enrollment after January 16, 2003

· Subpriority g: Nonservice-connected veterans applying for enrollment after January 16, 2003
Link

This, from the VA home page shows just who is entitled to VA health care..

 

[LunarRay]

Quote:
You're absolutely right. This guy sounds like he just got out of a mental facility and is now living in Montana with a group of militia men with guns trained at their door because they believe that "they" are "after them." Arguing with people like Moonbeam is useless. His beliefs are as radical as they come. He clearly spends most of his days posting to these forums, and more than half of them are just him whining about the Supreme Court choosing the president or some other mindless banter. But when he does it, he does it in quick sentences in an attempt to seem overly intelligent.

Get over it, get out of your house, and join the rest of the world. It's really not that bad.

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The ice berg presents only its tip to the unsuspecting. The mass of its being is hidden beneath and obscured by the very sea one sails upon without the slightest notion of the peril that awaits. Sail on in blissfull insight... the truth will all to soon visit itself upon the overly confident.

 

[CaptnKirk]

I think I've been pretty consistent on my position during this fiasco.
I saw through the sham from the beginning, and have not changed my stance.
About the only thing where I may have overestimated anything was the resistance
put forth by the Iraqi Armed Forces, I thought that they would have fought
as hard as the women and children fought in 'Nam - I was wrong, so far,
but as resistance grows to our presence it may manifest itself in resistance fighters.

We've only been there for 3 months - in the 'Nam timeframe we have years to go.

 

[dabuddha]

Just another brainless idiot

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: dabuddha
Just another brainless idiot

Which one of the many Bush Supporters do you refer to?

 

[Moonbeam]

SickMother: You're absolutely right. This guy sounds like he just got out of a mental facility and is now living in Montana with a group of militia men with guns trained at their door because they believe that "they" are "after them." Arguing with people like Moonbeam is useless. His beliefs are as radical as they come. He clearly spends most of his days posting to these forums, and more than half of them are just him whining about the Supreme Court choosing the president or some other mindless banter. But when he does it, he does it in quick sentences in an attempt to seem overly intelligent.

Get over it, get out of your house, and join the rest of the world. It's really not that bad.
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So I seem overly intelligent, do I. Facinating. I just hate it when beliefs as radical as they come sound overly intelligent. It's just not fair. I,d love to get out more, but helping the mentally AWOL is a full time job.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: HJD1

Originally posted by: dabuddha
Just another brainless idiot

Which one of the many Bush Supporters do you refer to?

I thought he was just signing in.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: HJD1

Originally posted by: dabuddha
Just another brainless idiot

Which one of the many Bush Supporters do you refer to?

I thought he was just signing in.

Maybe so. Both shoes may fit.