i'm more concerned with current performance, not when a patch is realeased to support SM3.0 whose merits are still yet to be proven.
all i know is the X800XT owns in farcry and i cant notice the IQ difference
I cannot see any IQ difference between the Geforce 6800U and the X800 XT. Then again I have niether.
Wether nVidia has better IQ or not, it doesnt really matter. No one will notice any quality diferences in any games unless seriously, and closely analysed. Until we see PS3.0 and SM3.0 come it to play, you will not see the true benefits of the 6800. You should also take into account what games you think you might be playing in the future. If your like me, youll waiting for HL2 and Counter-Strike2. If so, youll probably want an X800. If your not like me, and your waiting for Doom3, then you should probably get a 6800. Either way, its too early to tell as none of those games mentioned are available for benchmarking.
Wow. Bit of an exaggeration here.
I guess you are right though. If trilinear filtering is worth $100 and a 5% or so drop in performance, then I guess that's what you prefer.
Actually, the latest reports have said nVidia is going to sell two 6800U chips for every 6800GT chip. So, that doesn't say "widespread availability" to me.
All of you guys waiting for the 6800GT are foolhearted IMO. I mean, sure, the thing will more than likely be the best value for the money in the high-end sector when it's released. You can be guaranteed that ATi will come up with something to compete if it starts to get out of hand for them though.
In any event, there is absolutely no sign of the 6800GT, yet it's competitor the X800PRO can be found if you look hard enough. By the time the 6800GT is trickling out and you're beating people to get your hands on one, the X800PRO will be in widespread availability. On top of that, I have a feeling the X800PRO will be cheaper due to supply/demand and price gouging.
As for Rollo, I'm quite used to his unobjective comments concerning ATi. As soon as ATi releases something more powerful than what nVidia can put on store shelves, he gets his panties in a bunch and starts posting FUD.
I would like to see a GF4 score over 12,000 in 3Dmark '03 by the way. The thing doesn't even support DirectX 9!!!
And as for image quality, Rollo, why did nobody notice it on the 9600 cards for over a year??? It's interesting to hear the nVidia people suddenly complaining about image quality. AFAIK Far Cry still doesn't run on the correct PS2.0 paths on an NV30 card, and maybe even the 6800U.
So, I guess you actually own an x800 and have seen this for yourself? Or are you like me and have seen various articles on the subject? I assume the latter. Why don't you take some of your own advice here Rollo and keep your mouth shut until you know firsthand what you are talking about. From what I have seen the iq loss is very minimal, hardly the "shimmering, distortion and flawed IQ" you speak of. ATI should have been straightforward about their use of brilinear instead of claiming full trilinear support. It was wrong and stupid of them to do so. They would have been caught a lot sooner had they not done such a good job implementing it however.
Latter day V5-6K huh? Sounds more like 6800. It was "released" over a month ago. How many people own one? Where can I buy one right now? By the time these things hit the market en masse, ATI may be releasing a refresh.
LOL truth hurts, eh Sodchaos? Why don't you check out Cainam's first hand experiences and his posts of how he can see the moving mip bands?
Last I checked, owning a card has never been a criteria for debating it.
I have a 5800 Ultra, you wouldn't believe how many non owners tell me about it.
No, the X800XT is the better comparison. See, some people have bought 6800Us, and many more will this month.
The comparison is that the V5 6K was a brute force old tech card, just like the X800s. Two year old tech with more pipes re-sold. Time will prove me right that they're selling them firesale at first release because they know they're done once the 6800s hit the market and people have a choice between old and new tech, brilinear or not.
Last I checked, owning a card has never been a criteria for debating it.
I have a 5800 Ultra, you wouldn't believe how many non owners tell me about it.
No, the X800XT is the better comparison. See, some people have bought 6800Us, and many more will this month.
The comparison is that the V5 6K was a brute force old tech card, just like the X800s. Two year old tech with more pipes re-sold. Time will prove me right that they're selling them firesale at first release because they know they're done once the 6800s hit the market and people have a choice between old and new tech, brilinear or not.
Yeah, I think he might be worse then Gstanford. If that is even possible. All that comes out of this guys mouth is mindless garbage
Unless you play games with a giant 4x magnifying glass infront of your monitor you cannot see the adaptive trilinear filtering ati or nvidia use its impossible. So I prefer to use these adaptive algorithms as they offer better performace with out impacting iq. At any rate trilinear filtering is nothing people should focus more on anistropic filtering. Nvidia and Ati use unique AF algorithms with ati making transitions between mip levels much more smoothly then Nvidia. Nvidia however leaves the mips truer for longer then ati and then makes a slightly more abrupt change to a lower level MIP. Which is superior? I cannot say.
Actually the nVidia one is very easy to point out without magnification. The screenshots I've seen make it clear as day when it's using brilinear; the AF doesn't "clear up" distant textures along the ground nearly as well and leaves alot of stuff blurry.
ATi's method OTOH looks identical to a trilinear image, from my eyes anyway. Apparently someone has found a way to exploit their method, but it appears nearly flawless. As I said, it went unnoticed for over a year, how bad can it be?
For example, if you had a mole on your face for over a year, don't you think you would have noticed it?
if anything, i think the old tech argument works against nvidia. i mean R300 has been around for a while and its supped of version is still managing to edge out a victory over the super duper new tech NV40
Never hurt me but I was thinking maybe it's hurting you, seeing how this turbocharged old tech 12 pipe card is right there with your glorious 6800. See, it used to be that nVidia had new cards that came out sooner and were actually much more powerful than the competition, although they always lacked in iq, and as i recall their drivers were absolutely horrible, especially in d3d. (see half-life) You are the one making false accusations about iq and ATI, thereby showing your true nVidia fanboi status. Yes I know you've owned almost every card produced by both companies, who cares.
BTW, I am not a banner carrying crusader for ATI, or any card maker for that matter. I own ATI simply because for the past year or so they have been the better choice IMO. When I'm ready to upgrade again I'll buy what I think is the best choice, no matter who produces it.
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no "opinion" the ati cards have been infact better the last couple of years...but anyways, this gen, things seem to be alot more competetive.
Originally posted by: Compddd
Yeah, I think he might be worse then Gstanford. If that is even possible. All that comes out of this guys mouth is mindless garbage
That's a pretty strong slur. Can you quote any of this "mindless garbage"? Or are you just angry I've been disappointed in ATIs latest GPU because they added no new features, implemented a filtering technique that lowers IQ in some situations, can't be disabled, and was hidden?
I think we saw your true colors here Fsstrike:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=1314558&highlight_key=y&keyword1=Rollo
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lets either get things back on track(discussion concerning the 68gt) or lets just let this one die...
Someone already figured it out:Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: Zebo
It's gonna be real hard me to buy this card unless it overclocks massive. Every reviewer out there is telling me X800XT is the best video card and now it can be had for less than the mid range GT.
Those willing to actually wait a month should have no problem buying GTs for less than X800XTs. Beyond that, I don't even think I could buy a X800 anything now with the fine cheater drivers enabling the texture shimmer and distortion feature.
If ATI would figure out how to disable their brilinear, they'd be a lot easier to recommend.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=16473
If you don't mind taking a 20% performance hit go ahead and do it.
BTW, basing what cards will sell for off of pre-sale prices is always a bad idea. Wait until both company's cards are actually out THEN compare prices.
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