A question... if you are waitress a that worked under the table all your life, you get no Social Security?

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paperfist

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Which - the majority time is ACTUALLY good.

You see - social security is simply forced investment - except its forced SHIT investment.

Everyone would be FAR better off taking our funds and simply investing in our 401k and we would come out with much higher return on investment.

Oh - and you get to keep you money and pass it down to your kids. Not so much with SS.

It’s good financially if you know when you cheat the system that you’re responsible for your own retirement plan. This is the first time I heard someone getting paid under the table not knowing there’s no social security for them. You’re right, if you put all that into an index fund you’d be filthy rich at retirement time.

There is however downsides:

No workers comp or disability should you get injured in a state that requires it.

Typically you have no credit history/proof of employment. I don’t know any lenders who will give you a mortgage or auto loan without paystubs.

I have heard of people that get injured get some form of social security. Not sure how that works though.
 

PowerEngineer

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Wife has to be SS retirement age as well. You‘re effectively getting 150% payment since the spouse never paid into SS and gets the free 50%. So it’s possible to not pay into SS and still receive benefits. I wouldn’t have learned this if OP didn’t ask this question. I just learned about the 50% spousal benefit tonight. That’s pretty cool.

Yes, as long as you both will live. If you die first, then your spouse's SS goes up to 100% of yours, but that is obviously less than the 150% the two of you were receiving before. I understand that this drop can sometimes be hard for the surviving spouse to handle.

Maximizing your SS benefit by waiting until your full retirement age is a good way to maximize your spouse's benefit too.
 

Greenman

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It’s good financially if you know when you cheat the system that you’re responsible for your own retirement plan. This is the first time I heard someone getting paid under the table not knowing there’s no social security for them. You’re right, if you put all that into an index fund you’d be filthy rich at retirement time.

There is however downsides:

No workers comp or disability should you get injured in a state that requires it.

Typically you have no credit history/proof of employment. I don’t know any lenders who will give you a mortgage or auto loan without paystubs.

I have heard of people that get injured get some form of social security. Not sure how that works though.
You can get a car loan without any proof of income and no credit score. The lots that will do it put a device on the car that will prevent it from starting if your payment is a day late.
 

paperfist

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You can get a car loan without any proof of income and no credit score. The lots that will do it put a device on the car that will prevent it from starting if your payment is a day late.

You still live in CA? I can't believe that's allowed there. Neat way to protect your property though. I wonder why I've never seen that at tool rental places.
 

sportage

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Companies shouldn't be so greedy. Every retiree should not only collect SS but also a company pension. If you want to talk about Ponzi schemes, the 401K is the best of them all. The employee takes all the risk, the employer takes none, you're up against the whims of the stock market, and basically just playing the slots in Las Vegas. We have so many multibillion dollar companies these days and yet they offer no pensions, only 401K schemes. I know several senior retirees living off SS and a 401K, and they took a huge hit in 2008 during the meltdown. If you are retired and no longer putting money into your 401K, you can never recover when something like 2008 hits. Plus, some 70% of 401K recipients go through entirely their 401K within three years of retirement leaving only what SS pays them to live on. How do we know???? They are the greeters at Walmart. Those old guys that can no longer live off SS alone and their 401K has dried up.

Another concern for SS retired couples, if one of the two should die then the other spouse loses that chunk of SS from the deceased. Imagine an 80 year old couple each earning $1500 a month off SS = $3000. $3000 is pretty good for an old retired couple considering they probably still pay property taxes and or rent and or a mortgage. However when one spouse dies that monthly income crashes down to only $1500. Typically not enough for the survivor to live on. And I assume explains why the suicide rate is so high for seniors. When you read that someone died then a few months later the surviving spouse also died, people think oh how sweet they were so much in love that the other died shortly after. That assumption sounds nice and romantic but in all reality that surviving spouse more likely committed suicide unable to survive over that loss of SS income. It's either suicide or greeter at Walmart.
 

pcgeek11

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The most an individual who files a claim for Social Security retirement benefits in 2021 can receive per month is:

  • $3,895 for someone who files at age 70.
  • $3,148 for someone who files at full retirement age (currently 66 and 2 months).
  • $2,324 for someone who files at 62.
(For context, the estimated average Social Security retirement benefit in 2021 is $1,543 a month. The average disability benefit is $1,277.)

I just started my SS this month at $2,634.00 per month, I am full retirement age 66 and 2 months. I am also still working full time until April.
 

Greenman

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You still live in CA? I can't believe that's allowed there. Neat way to protect your property though. I wonder why I've never seen that at tool rental places.
California's an odd place sometimes. We might actually recall Gavin, which it mind blowing.