A Pretentious Word for a World Without Rules

[Lemon law]

All this proves is that PJABBER is incapable of learning any lessons from past history.

 

[PJABBER]

So you just called me lazy?

Are you an admitted postmodernist, a "progressive?"

The specific words I used were "self-indulgent, lazy, narcissistic and, ultimately, suicidal."

:awe:

Shall we play?

There are three rounds -

Interactive Philosophy Quiz

Philosophical Health Check

Battleground God

I have to run out to a "happy hour," but it will take more like two or three hours for me to get happy. However, I shall return, God willing!

 

[PJABBER]

tl:dr
Don't read Blogs, sorry

Don't worry about it, I knew that you were one that wouldn't get it anyway.

 

[JSt0rm]

In other news I will continue to work my lazy ass off, self-indulge in my superior intellect and charms and then go home and think about a world without my existance.

Are you in DC? Pjabber? Maybe you should go to Restaurant Eve in old town tonight?

http://www.restauranteve.com/

I recommend the chefs tasting and they have a great list of Spanish reds.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I really like your Post . Cop was here again today about Stock car noise. But he just LOL. Than we sat down and talked. This is what we were talking about . He told me that the Police association is getting ready for rebellion . I about fell out of chair.

I asked were he stood . Long ans. made short . He stands with myside of fence . He said many don't like him because of his position. As I live and breath these are true words.

 

[PJABBER]

All this proves is that PJABBER is incapable of learning any lessons from past history.

Such tart words from a Lemonhead!

Perhaps you need a refresher of history yourself.

F. Carr offers this succinct recount -

1) Leftist socialists had traditionally believed that reason and facts would show the superiority of socialism - theoretically, morally, and economically.

2) Academic P(ost) M(odernism)'s creators were all leftist socialists around the time that leftist socialism was failing - theoretically, morally, and economically (1950s on).

3) The reaction of leftist academic socialists to this wasn't to accept that they had been wrong. Instead, they availed themselves of recent developments in epistemology and linguistics as a pretext for dismissing reason and facts.

4) They then proceeded to impose leftist socialism on students from behind this mask.

This reaction parallels the Counter Enlightenment movements beginning over 200 years ago that were trying to save room for faith against the advance of science.

Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten us into!

 

[shira]

I dislike Pjabber threads not only because he afflicts them with his laughably pretentious high-English prose style (as is his wont, hahahaha), but also because they're all so damn boring.

 

[PJABBER]

In other news I will continue to work my lazy ass off, self-indulge in my superior intellect and charms and then go home and think about a world without my existance.

Are you in DC? Pjabber? Maybe you should go to Restaurant Eve in old town tonight?

http://www.restauranteve.com/

I recommend the chefs tasting and they have a great list of Spanish reds.

I am on the other side of the Potomac tonight and plan on watching "Justified" with my wife, who has informed me that should I pass away, expectedly or not, she will seek out a twin to the character played by Timothy Olyphant. She was not enamored by his character in "Deadwood," perhaps because of his flaws in that role, but seems willing to forgive those of the modern Marshal he now portrays. Go figure.

Great recommendation of Restaurant Eve in Alexandria. Haven't been there, will venture soon.

Perhaps you should be extending this suggestion of fine dining to Shira, who seems bored at yet another post of mine decrying the flatulence of progressivism and its corruption of our susceptible youth and our susceptible political leaders. :awe:

May I offer two suggestions in response?

If I am in Old Town Alexandria for philosophic debate I mosey down to the Hard Times Cafe. Not for the execrable chili, but to waste away an hour or two over glasses of their very good house beer (made by Sam Adams), the occasional off the menu microbrew like Tuppers’ Hop Pocket and servings of cornpone (cornbread) while listening to arguably the best "juke box" in town.

For a time you could find an old Wurlitzer Juke Box complete with 45 records at the Hard Times. Awhile back that gave way to Wurlitzers with CD’s and now we even have them with MP3 technology.

That being said Hard Times Cafe features a critically acclaimed collection of historic/classic Country & Western and Western Swing music as well as contemporary practitioners of these styles. This music has been selected because it grew up in the chili parlors and the roadhouses of this country. While on the road, many musicians found sustenance and inspiration over a bowl of chili.

The collection spans 70 years and contains songs and singers whose work has helped define that artistic style.

For a second recommendation, if I were to find myself in Silver Spring, I would indulge my wine curiosity by heading to Adega Wine Cellars for an excellent and ever changing tasting menu and very good casual food, both offered at very reasonable prices.

Political and philosophic debate is always best done over full glasses, not empties!

 

[PJABBER]

I dislike Pjabber threads not only because he afflicts them with his laughably pretentious high-English prose style (as is his wont, hahahaha), but also because they're all so damn boring.

Boring you say?

Well, there is nothing as boring as reading postmodernists and their contortions of language in the cause of a BRAND NEW, BRIGHTER, CLEANER socialist raising of consciousness!

I will spare you the cut and paste, because I do not want our faithful readers to fall asleep right on top of their keyboards and thus be imprinted traumatically with QWERTY across their foreheads for the rest of their tedious lives.

Forewarned, should they click through to these links, they can have a pillow handy to cushion the blow of their head as the soporific effect strikes them down (or if they want to get to bed early tonight!)

1. Randomly click through to one of the links in this link.

2. Start to read.

3. Regain consciousness some time later.
[SIZE=+2]
Contemporary Philosophy, Critical Theory and Postmodern Thought[/SIZE]

And if the kiddies refuse to fall asleep before you do, insert your earplugs,close one eye and just read THESE out loud to them -

Postmodern fairy tales: gender and narrative strategies

On PostModern Folklore

See, boring can be its own reward!

 

[UberNeuman]

Boring you say?

Well, there is nothing as boring as reading postmodernists and their contortions of language in the cause of a BRAND NEW, BRIGHTER, CLEANER socialist raising of consciousness!

I will spare you the cut and paste, because I do not want our faithful readers to fall asleep right on top of their keyboards and thus be imprinted traumatically with QWERTY across their foreheads for the rest of their tedious lives.

Forewarned, should they click through to these links, they can have a pillow handy to cushion the blow of their head as the soporific effect strikes them down (or if they want to get to bed early tonight!)

1. Randomly click through to one of the links in this link.

2. Start to read.

3. Regain consciousness some time later.
[SIZE=+2]
Contemporary Philosophy, Critical Theory and Postmodern Thought[/SIZE]

And if the kiddies refuse to fall asleep before you do, insert your earplugs,close one eye and just read THESE out loud to them -

Postmodern fairy tales: gender and narrative strategies

On PostModern Folklore

See, boring can be its own reward!

Lonesome Rhodes.

 

[nonlnear]

PJ,

I am probably one of the few members who doesn't find such reads boring. In fact, I agree that it is vital to understand the mental contortions of certain wings of the ivory tower. However I can't help but be taken aback by the last apragraph of the story you posted. It gave me pause.

I could go on, but you get the picture of our first postmodern presidency. For 14 months we have tried to use abstract benchmarks like “did Obama contradict himself?,” “did Obama break another promise?,” “did Obama really think borrowing another $2 trillion won’t help to bankrupt us?,” “did Obama indeed think another entitlement ’saves’ money?,” “did Obama snub another ally and court another enemy?,” “did Obama apologize again?” — when, in fact, such linear thinking, such artificially constructed “norms,” such “facts” are nothing of the sort at all. To Obama, our first postmodern president, such facts and truth are mere signatures of privilege, and so he is offering us another — a postmodern — way of looking at the world.

The rest of the piece read like a standard exercise in postmodern cerebral liquefaction, but this last paragraph - and last sentence especially - really "turn it up to eleven." At this point it becomes indistinguishable from self parody, so I can't help but wonder if the entire article is just that. If it is, then I think you've been had! On the other hand, the truest postmodern analysis is always indistinguishable from self parody, so who's to say? 😀

 

[Moonbeam]

PJ: How about another thread that addresses an issue of overriding importance to our lives, necessarily derived from the immediacy of pressing current events, yet not getting sufficient attention in the daily press?

M: Thanks, no, what you find pressing I find depressing that you find it pressing. And the daily press is in the business of making money. What you call pressing would put people to sleep and nobody would buy another paper.

PJ: Upon my recent return from another trip to Old Europe, I posted an examination of the importance of war in our culture and in our lives.

M: You have a strange definition of examination. You don't examine, you pontificate with rhetorical glee.

PJ: Today I want to express a special concern at the growing divide in our country. One fostered by our first postmodern President.

M: You lie. You are not concerned, you are casting blame for the divide on Obama. The divide preceded him and will continue long after he is gone. You are a rhetorician and not an observer of honest intention. You augment and flame to the division. You love the division. Your ego gets all pumped up expressing it's point of view and what kind of wine you're drinking. You are proud of your imagined sophistication. I have none myself nor care so I'm oddly not impressed.


PJ: This is not a divide based on racial identities as the Left is wont to claim. It is not a divide based on economic empowerment as the Right is wont to claim. It is a divide based in the rise of ideology over that of logic and argumentation.

M: Logic and argumentation isn't your strong suit. You just state your opinions as facts.

PJ: With Gödel-Rosser we had a postulation that logic has it limitations. With the resultant required deconstruction most who now call themselves "liberal" and "progressive" were left without a core to hold true and lost all semblance of faith (and not just religious faith, but faith in all that others might hold to be axiomatic.)

M: This is just horse shit to me. You dropped it in the road and there it steams. It's probably an axiom of your religion. I guess if you throw in a few names and some big words it all becomes political science or something. I think something is the better term.

PJ: Postmodernism is the term most used to describe the phenomenon and it is the mantra of the Left.

M: Fuck if it is. It's just a word people use who what to sound like they're saying something. It's a fancy way of obfuscating what it is you want to say. It's arcopaleonephricism in the extreme. Why not get dirty and use real words?

PJ: Having accepted verbatim the writings of revisionist historians and commentators, such as the recently deceased Howard Zinn, as more accurate in that they ascribe imagined motivations, the postmodernist "progressive" feels free to interpret their own world, one which they now have responsibility for, through the same philosophically nihilistic looking glass.

M: Fuck you! What do you feel, up there in the clouds?

PJ: This, at its core, is postmodernism - self-indulgent, lazy, narcissistic and, ultimately, suicidal.

M: Really? It sounds to me like something somebody says who likes to hear himself talk. And most shit people say is a projection. You create this other on whom to dump your own self hate, eh?

MJ: Why suicidal? Because the "progressive," in valuing no one thing over another, is unwittingly cooperating with their existential enemies who do. The postmodern "progressive" is a harmless enemy and a worthless ally.

M: I was dying to know, but now I think I'll live. I know about the monsters under my bed.

PJ: As there are several learned political philosophers in our little crowd, I will leave it up to them to challenge my more informal definitions.

M: As you can see they have been challenged by an idiot know nothing like me.

PJ: The following article is a long one for it has much to say. I imagine it will be too long for the postmodernists that populate this forum and critical introspection is not their strong suit in any case.

M: Critical introspection is not their strong suit!!!!!!!!!! Hehehehehehe Damn if you're not funny.

PJ: If the topic interests you and you might care to engage in an extended reading, do check out

M: Sorry but it's more mental gigantism from another asshole who doesn't know what he feels, not that there's any way you can blame him. You can't blame folk whose capacity to feel was destroyed in childhood for trying to build a pretty intellectual ego and parade about.

 

[yllus]

I'm imagining a 1930s PJABBER using an ink well to pen a letter to his daily paper about the evils of the Bauhaus movement. Of course, that would put him in alliance with the Nazis, but somehow I don't feel unsettled by that association.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Moonie that bridge we discussed isn't it time you cross it. Make haste!

 

[Atreus21]

I'm imagining a 1930s PJABBER using an ink well to pen a letter to his daily paper about the evils of the Bauhaus movement. Of course, that would put him in alliance with the Nazis, but somehow I don't feel unsettled by that association.

Jeez, have we invoked Godwin already?

 

[Moonbeam]

Jeez, have we invoked Godwin already?

Goebbels couldn't have said it better.

 

[yllus]

Jeez, have we invoked Godwin already?

You would say that, you red-headed left-handed born under a full moon lovechild of Eva Braun and Heinrich Himmler! 😱

 

[PJABBER]

PJ,

I am probably one of the few members who doesn't find such reads boring. In fact, I agree that it is vital to understand the mental contortions of certain wings of the ivory tower. However I can't help but be taken aback by the last apragraph of the story you posted. It gave me pause.
The rest of the piece read like a standard exercise in postmodern cerebral liquefaction, but this last paragraph - and last sentence especially - really "turn it up to eleven." At this point it becomes indistinguishable from self parody, so I can't help but wonder if the entire article is just that. If it is, then I think you've been had! On the other hand, the truest postmodern analysis is always indistinguishable from self parody, so who's to say? 😀

Hanson wrote this in the style similar to that used by postmodernists. It does parody but is not a self-parody as he does not subscribe to the school, being very much a linear thinker.

Perhaps someone more learned, yet not themelves invested in the socialist agenda, could comment better than I. I am still unpacking. hehehe. :awe:

 

[Moonbeam]

PJ: Hanson wrote this in the style similar to that used by postmodernists. It does parody but is not a self-parody as he does not subscribe to the school, being very much a linear thinker.

M: Well that fucking clears that up.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

PJ: Hanson wrote this in the style similar to that used by postmodernists. It does parody but is not a self-parody as he does not subscribe to the school, being very much a linear thinker.

M: Well that fucking clears that up.

Personal problems at home?

 

[Moonbeam]

Personal problems at home?

You wanna translate?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

You wanna translate?

You seem to have a personal problem with PJ and come across angry...not exactly the Moonie I know and love....just saying.

 

[PJABBER]

M: Thanks, no, what you find pressing I find depressing that you find it pressing. And the daily press is in the business of making money. What you call pressing would put people to sleep and nobody would buy another paper.

PJ: I notice that the press is suffering declining revenues, but I attributed that to the distaste of people for paying for propaganda.

M: You have a strange definition of examination. You don't examine, you pontificate with rhetorical glee.

PJ: Sometimes I pontificate, sometimes I am pontificated to. I am gleeful, either way.

M: You lie. You are not concerned, you are casting blame for the divide on Obama. The divide preceded him and will continue long after he is gone. You are a rhetorician and not an observer of honest intention. You augment and flame to the division. You love the division. Your ego gets all pumped up expressing it's point of view and what kind of wine you're drinking. You are proud of your imagined sophistication. I have none myself nor care so I'm oddly not impressed.

PJ: I blame the divide and the malaise on postmodernism and the socialist adherents that have taken over our education systems wholesale. Obama is a product of that and by dint of his role in our society has execerbated the issue more than any national leader in modern times. Or postmodern times, to be more accurate.

What I find striking in postmodernism is the complete lack of honesty. That I, like the little boy pointing out the nakedness of the Emperor, am called dishonest for doing so merely reflects that you are a courtier.

And I generally prefer coffee over wine. Except in the case of the 2008 Loring Santa Lucia Highlands Rosella's Vineyard Pinot I anticipate decanting this evening. Impressive!

M: Logic and argumentation isn't your strong suit. You just state your opinions as facts.

PJ: My opinions are derived from facts. And yours?

M: This is just horse shit to me. You dropped it in the road and there it steams. It's probably an axiom of your religion. I guess if you throw in a few names and some big words it all becomes political science or something. I think something is the better term.

PJ: Postmodernism is the term most used to describe the phenomenon and it is the mantra of the Left.

M: Fuck if it is. It's just a word people use who what to sound like they're saying something. It's a fancy way of obfuscating what it is you want to say. It's arcopaleonephricism in the extreme. Why not get dirty and use real words?

PJ: Are you sure don't mean to use the word archiepiscopal instead?

Socialism/Communism/Postmodernism sucks. Simple enough for you?

M: Fuck you! What do you feel, up there in the clouds?

PJ: Well, I actually feel mighty fine. The sun is shining brightly here in DC, I anticipate going out for a couple hours of mountain biking, followed by a specially prepared Pindi Chana Masala, some Pongal, followed by Kesaribhath (in keeping with the theme.) The Pinot Noir will follow as I decide whether to start watching my recently purchased Blu-ray copy of the HBO series "Rome," as everyone knows wine in Rome was truly democratic.

M: Really? It sounds to me like something somebody says who likes to hear himself talk. And most shit people say is a projection. You create this other on whom to dump your own self hate, eh?

PJ: So says my wife at times as well. Such is the burden one must bear.

M: I was dying to know, but now I think I'll live. I know about the monsters under my bed.

PJ: As do my kids.

M: As you can see they have been challenged by an idiot know nothing like me.

PJ: Challenge is not quite the word I would have picked.

M: Critical introspection is not their strong suit!!!!!!!!!! Hehehehehehe Damn if you're not funny.

PJ: Oh, there is lots of critical deconstruction. The problem for postmodernists is that they have nothing worthwhile to propose in the way of replacement. Ennui ensues.

M: Sorry but it's more mental gigantism from another asshole who doesn't know what he feels, not that there's any way you can blame him. You can't blame folk whose capacity to feel was destroyed in childhood for trying to build a pretty intellectual ego and parade about.

PJ: I blame the socialists, the communists, the intellectually vapid, the navel gazers, the sycophants, and all those who value style over substance.

Feelings are relative, I guess. While you admire the nihilistic postmodernists, I am locked in the arms of a crazy life in having to live with them.

Do let me me close this dialogue with a short poem by someone who has lived the life you feel, Charles Bukowski...

BE KIND

we are always asked
to understand the other person's
viewpoint
no matter how
out-dated
foolish or
obnoxious.
one is asked
to view
their total error
their life-waste
with
kindliness,
especially if they are
aged.
but age is the total of
our doing.
they have aged
badly
because they have
lived
out of focus,
they have refused to
see.
not their fault?
whose fault?
mine?
I am asked to hide
my viewpoint
from them
for fear of their
fear.
age is no crime
but the shame
of a deliberately
wasted
life
among so many
deliberately
wasted
lives
is.

:awe:

 

[Moonbeam]

You seem to have a personal problem with PJ and come across angry...not exactly the Moonie I know and love....just saying.

Well, you'll note he said nothing to you but I got a poem and a beating. Maybe I'll catch more flys with honey.

 

[PJABBER]

Well, you'll note he said nothing to you but I got a poem and a beating. Maybe I'll catch more flys with honey.

Who Loves Ya Baby? :awe: