A political ad campaign officially breaks the BSometer

[NTB]

Originally posted by: chess9
Given the current state of heterosexual marriage, I think we should protect gays from the evils of marriage.

-Robert

Hey, if they want to be miserable like the rest of us, I say let 'em!

-Peter Griffin

Nathan

 

[BurnItDwn]

Well, it sucks that gay people continue to get less rights across most of the country ...
I hope at least Prop 8 fails, even if things look bad at the moment ....

I am hoping that Obama is really a closet Atheist who figures out a way to permanantly get rid of all these religious BS "family values" moral laws that have no real purpose other than to discriminate against people or persecute people who do things that are deemed "immoral" or "bad."

Reminds me of Demolition Man when they aren't allowed to smoke or have salt ...

 

[TallBill]

This thread might have been worthwhile had a link been posted. Tough to comment on a political video without watching it

 

[Baked]

I'm feeling sick to my stomach right now. I thought Californians are more progressive than this. Apparently when people get hammered by a $73 million ad campaign, people can't think for themselves. So much for college and critical thinking...

Oh well, at least we elected a black president.

Originally posted by: TallBill
This thread might have been worthwhile had a link been posted. Tough to comment on a political video without watching it

Link

 

[Brainonska511]

Seeing the results rolling in on these social issues, all I can think: wtf is wrong with people? Why can't they mind their own business? Why do you care if you're gay neighbor gets married to the love of his/her life? Are you afraid your kids are going to catch the gay? I'm just hoping that Prop 8 goes down in flames (considering at the time of this post, it is only 15%-20% of precincts reporting).

 

[Baked]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Seeing the results rolling in on these social issues, all I can think: wtf is wrong with people? Why can't they mind their own business? Why do you care if you're gay neighbor gets married to the love of his/her life? Are you afraid your kids are going to catch the gay? I'm just hoping that Prop 8 goes down in flames (considering at the time of this post, it is only 15%-20% of precincts reporting).

Church and fear mongering has done wonders through out history. Remember those Salem witch hunts where the church tried innocent people as witches and burned them alive. Prop 8 is a modern day version w/o the fire and burning crosses.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Baked

Link

Thanks.

 

[Brainonska511]

There is hope if these exit polls hold: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#CAI01p1

 

[thirtythree]

Video! Official videos by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

 

[counterstrikedude]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
California prop 8 is about a state constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. Simple and straight forward enough, right?

The proponents first started out saying "It's all about kids and education", to which the anti prop 8 ads raised the BS flag because it's obviously about neither. Their latest ad said it's about "Religious freedom", I'm not shitting you. They're trying to spin this one more than a DJ spins a record.

They should just say it how it is. It's about gay marriage. For or against, it's up to the people to vote. Calling it something else is just trying to hide it.

no, it's just about gay marriage. look at every state and country that's approved gay marriage - it effects the school, society, culture, everything.

if the issue was solely about marriage i couldn't care less, but it isn't.

if a man and man want to marry so be it.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: counterstrikedude

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
California prop 8 is about a state constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. Simple and straight forward enough, right?

The proponents first started out saying "It's all about kids and education", to which the anti prop 8 ads raised the BS flag because it's obviously about neither. Their latest ad said it's about "Religious freedom", I'm not shitting you. They're trying to spin this one more than a DJ spins a record.

They should just say it how it is. It's about gay marriage. For or against, it's up to the people to vote. Calling it something else is just trying to hide it.

no, it's just about gay marriage. look at every state and country that's approved gay marriage - it effects the school, society, culture, everything.

if the issue was solely about marriage i couldn't care less, but it isn't.

if a man and man want to marry so be it.

You're so full of shit.

 

[Baked]

Proposition 8-Same Sex Marriage Ban
All Precincts Totals
Choice Votes %
Yes 1,970,037 53.8%
No 1,693,492 46.2%

22% of precincts reporting

Updated 11/04 9:55PM

 

[I Saw OJ]

Originally posted by: Baked
Proposition 8-Same Sex Marriage Ban
All Precincts Totals
Choice Votes %
Yes 1,970,037 53.8%
No 1,693,492 46.2%

22% of precincts reporting

Updated 11/04 9:55PM

Thats too bad. Poor gay people.

 

[counterstrikedude]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: counterstrikedude

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
California prop 8 is about a state constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. Simple and straight forward enough, right?

The proponents first started out saying "It's all about kids and education", to which the anti prop 8 ads raised the BS flag because it's obviously about neither. Their latest ad said it's about "Religious freedom", I'm not shitting you. They're trying to spin this one more than a DJ spins a record.

They should just say it how it is. It's about gay marriage. For or against, it's up to the people to vote. Calling it something else is just trying to hide it.

no, it's just about gay marriage. look at every state and country that's approved gay marriage - it effects the school, society, culture, everything.

if the issue was solely about marriage i couldn't care less, but it isn't.

if a man and man want to marry so be it.

You're so full of shit.

oohh persuasive.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: counterstrikedude

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: counterstrikedude

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
California prop 8 is about a state constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. Simple and straight forward enough, right?

The proponents first started out saying "It's all about kids and education", to which the anti prop 8 ads raised the BS flag because it's obviously about neither. Their latest ad said it's about "Religious freedom", I'm not shitting you. They're trying to spin this one more than a DJ spins a record.

They should just say it how it is. It's about gay marriage. For or against, it's up to the people to vote. Calling it something else is just trying to hide it.

no, it's just about gay marriage. look at every state and country that's approved gay marriage - it effects the school, society, culture, everything.

if the issue was solely about marriage i couldn't care less, but it isn't.

if a man and man want to marry so be it.

You're so full of shit.

oohh persuasive.

Says the guy that makes a specious argument claiming that gay marriage will affect society, culture, school, everything... Of course it will affect some of those things, but you make it sound like it's the fucking Apocalypse and will result in society's collapse which is utterly ridiculous. Try posting some facts as to why society will collapse, and not that bullshit video from that other thread.

 

[konakona]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: thirtythree
Which side was using the freedom of religion argument? Because it does seem like a religious freedom issue to some extent -- if marriage is redefined as being between a man and a woman, it gives legitimacy to traditional Christian religions and rules out any other interpretations. If the argument is that marriage is a religious institution, don't other religions have just as much right to define marriage as they see fit?

Excellent point and good question!

The anti-gay marriage group is calling it protecting religious freedom. Which is why the BSometer broke.

since when freedom meant restricting others' actions that in no way hamr your own life? forcing subjective worldview on other individuals FTW :thumbsdown: If this isnt bigotry, I dont know what is.

This thread is not about abortion. However, the right to life does not stop at merely defending one's life against the threat of death. Within it is the inherent belief that an individual is the sole owner of their own bodies. Wherein lies the conflict with regards to abortion.

That certainly is a valid point, one I can totally agree with. Something I worry about more is the newborn's life after birth. If his or her very parents decide they are not in a good position to support their child, who else is a better judge here? It is like hoping to win a war when your actual odds of winning is rather low, kinda reminds me of some other sector of politics. If 'pro-life' people are hellbent on stripping the parent's right to judge their aptness for parentship, I suggest they propse a bill where a pro-lifer must adopt a kid at least.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Oh, my stance on the proposition:
It violates the separation of church and state. The state should not be able to dictate who a church can and cannot marry. Marriage is a religious institution, and if a church doesn't want to marry gays, that should be solely up to the discretion of that church, and that decision remain within that church and not be imposed on other churches that may disagree.