A pole to end it all: Foobar vs. Winamp

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Busie23

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Winamp from day one. I really am sickof the random play and how it always repeats though? Any recent fixes to that?
 

bunnyfubbles

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iTunes is probably my favorite to use. The ease of finding what I want to hear is hard to beat. The problem with iTunes is that it only supports the formats Apple wants it to support. mp3 is there only because its the blind favorite of the masses. If it was flexible and supported other files I'd probably actually use it despite the bloat.

WMP, worse than iTunes, you can tell because they tried to change it to be more like iTunes when they moved from 9 to 10...if you're copying someone it can't be better.

Winamp can do the same, but with too many windows, winamp feels almost as if it has been built for people with small music collections. And now for some reason my winamp seems to refuse to correctly read and then display the information from the tags on my FLAC files. A rediculous and unexcusable downside as it is now harder to search for what I want to listen to. I'm about to give up on it as it doesn't seem caught up with the times. Winamp hasn't really undergone any drastic changes, especially with 5 being a sort of hybrid of 3 and 2...if it doesn't die I'd hope we see a drastic change in design with a next version.

foobar, a great idea, problem is that it was made by nerds. Just like with Linux it isn't noob friendly, the interface is NOT user friendly, you pretty much have to be an expert computer user to like it. The interface is crap unless you know how to mess with it, and your average noob computer user is not going to give it enough time to figure out it isn't a complete crap program in their eyes. A program like this will never be the best. Despite such a fact, it could possibly be the best solution, simply because of how imperfect all the other players are. Thats pretty sad if you ask me.


What would be the perfect player? A single window player with a sharp but clean interface (not as dull or as difficult as foobar, and no more flashy than iTunes, Winamp's media library woud be acceptbale if you could just play music straight from it without the other crap windows) with unbiased format support. Tabbed organization is nice, something foobar does well. I like being able to keep my different formats separate. I dunno I guess basically a player that you can customize to work and look the way you want it to. Right now foobar does that the best. It sure isn't pretty to look at, but then that's not what we have these programs for is it?
 

skace

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I am currently using Foobar and like the small footprint. But it feels seriously gimped in comparison to Winamp. It is an insanely ugly application and doesn't even associate itself with .mp3 files. I also hate the stupid tag reading that it does. I can't get it to read tags on play instead of load.

Edit: Oh and every single mp3 player should have a window shade mode, period.
 

Tremulant

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winamp. I tried foobar and I don't see the hype about it. With kernel streaming, the sound it louder and pushed to my rear speakers as well as the fronts. I get the same effect by turning on hardware acceleration in winamp. And I have that turned off because my rear speakers sit under my desk unless I'm watching a movie or playing a game that takes advantage of 5.1 channel sound.
 

gizbug

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foobar...but I wonder if they will ever UPGRADE the version that is out now.
 

dderidex

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Holy thread resurrection, Batman!

Still, I vote foobar. WinAMP can't even properly feed 24-bit audio to an Audigy 2 soundcard. Foobar does very well with this.
 

dug777

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Originally posted by: dderidex
Holy thread resurrection, Batman!

Still, I vote foobar. WinAMP can't even properly feed 24-bit audio to an Audigy 2 soundcard. Foobar does very well with this.

winamp, its search thing is the best, evar, in any music player :D
 

LS20

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i had a m-audio revolution soundcard , akg/grado headphones, and klipsch speakers... and i couldnt hear a difference on foobar even ith 24 bit processing and upsampling. unless you guys are running 5000$ audio systems (in which case you shouldnt be listening to compressed audio through a computer, anyays), its all placebo

until foobar supports playlist as good as winamp--drag and drop; j button searches; etc--its non-skinned winamp CLASSIC for LIFE
 

pennylane

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foobar. I can't really tell the difference to be honest, but I prefer the interface believe it or not. Modified with a few 3rd party plug-ins, it looks good. Minimalist, fast, I like it.

see here
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: LS20
i had a m-audio revolution soundcard , akg/grado headphones, and klipsch speakers... and i couldnt hear a difference on foobar even ith 24 bit processing and upsampling. unless you guys are running 5000$ audio systems (in which case you shouldnt be listening to compressed audio through a computer, anyays), its all placebo

until foobar supports playlist as good as winamp--drag and drop; j button searches; etc--its non-skinned winamp CLASSIC for LIFE

No, it's not all placebo. Did you change the Output Method to Kernel Streaming?
 

dderidex

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Originally posted by: fanerman91
foobar. I can't really tell the difference to be honest, but I prefer the interface believe it or not. Modified with a few 3rd party plug-ins, it looks good. Minimalist, fast, I like it.

see here

1) How did you do that? None of the Foobar skins I've seen work on the newest version.

2) "Millions now living will never die", huh? LOL - do you know what that's from? hehe...
 

LS20

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Originally posted by: BigJ


No, it's not all placebo. Did you change the Output Method to Kernel Streaming?

yeah; i've been a member of head-fi for 2 years--those guys are as fantatical about audio as anybody else. noone has done a double-blind test to prove it, and even the creators of foobar will not contend that their player sound better. whatever works for you.. winamp is for me :)
 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: LS20
i had a m-audio revolution soundcard , akg/grado headphones, and klipsch speakers... and i couldnt hear a difference on foobar even ith 24 bit processing and upsampling. unless you guys are running 5000$ audio systems (in which case you shouldnt be listening to compressed audio through a computer, anyays), its all placebo

until foobar supports playlist as good as winamp--drag and drop; j button searches; etc--its non-skinned winamp CLASSIC for LIFE
I'm guessing you either didn't set up kernel streaming properly or didn't listen to a (lossless) selection which makes the difference apparent. Try F3 to search, just like a web page - much simpler than J since it uses a preexisting standard ;) I'm not much of a fan of playlists, but have you played around with the Columns UI? I believe it supports various playlist features and also can be made to look pretty for all you people who need every feature to have a shiny button.
even the creators of foobar will not contend that their player sound better.
Default settings, with KS/ASIO off, it doesn't. They probably simply don't want to deal with deaf people or people with cheap boomy speakers who're utterly convinced that since they can't hear it on their setup, there's no differnce. I know I wouldn't. As a matter of fact I'm hard pressed to tell a difference on my own speaker setup - I have to put on my headphones to hear it, but when I do it's very apparent. There's also the matter of supporting a still-experimental feature.
 

dderidex

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Originally posted by: dderidex
Originally posted by: fanerman91
foobar. I can't really tell the difference to be honest, but I prefer the interface believe it or not. Modified with a few 3rd party plug-ins, it looks good. Minimalist, fast, I like it.

see here

1) How did you do that? None of the Foobar skins I've seen work on the newest version.

2) "Millions now living will never die", huh? LOL - do you know what that's from? hehe...

Bumping this thread to wonder about the answer to these Qs.