a pci r300?

[gjspear]

will there be a pci version of radeon 9000 or 9000 pro or even 9700?

 

[bockchow]

i don't think ATI has made a pci card any newer than like the 7000, putting the r300 onto a pci card is about as usefull as putting it in a 486. the pci bus can't handle it.

 

[Rand]

I sincerely doubt it. PCI is pretty much purely relelgated to the low end, so I very much doubt you will see PCI graphics cards based on the Radeon 9700.

You may see a Radeon 9000LE PCI board though, as that'll start covering the lower end. I suspect it'll be awhile before you see anything better then the PCI Radeon 7500 from ATi however.

 

[hans007]

yeah there are a ton of future 845gl owners out there, i'm sure they'll make at least a pci rv250

 

[AZGamer]

"yeah there are a ton of future 845gl owners out there, i'm sure they'll make at least a pci rv250"

Nah - they'll be lightyears ahead with their "Intel Extreme Graphics".

What does the lack of AGP slot save them? 1,2,3 $? Let's just go back to EDO memory, and SIMMS, those are cheap

 

[Peter]

No AGP slot saves a whole lot of connections on the chipset - making it fit into a smaller chip package, which reduces both chip and mainboard cost.

Now quit picking on Intel for their "Extreme" moniker ... each interval has two extremes, one at the top end and one at the bottom - graphics performance range is no exception to this

What keeps companies from making high performance PCI graphics cards is the power budget in a PCI slot. This is considerably lower than in an AGP 2.0 slot (not to speak of AGPPro), so you simply can't have those high clocked graphics cores with hundreds of megabytes of fast RAM piled on top. PowerColor's RV2P (Radeon 7500LE) is about as high as it gets.

The jury is still out on Radeon 9000's power consumption, so maybe there is a chance we'll see a 9000-PCI from one of ATi's partners.

regards, Peter

 

[jiffylube1024]

Now quit picking on Intel for their "Extreme" moniker ... each interval has two extremes, one at the top end and one at the bottom - graphics performance range is no exception to this

Oh come on, they're practically begging for it!

 

[Peter]

Ladies and Gentlemen, the jury has returned to announce the verdict ...

http://www.cptech.com.tw/powercolor/web/product_inside.asp?prd_id=R9000PCIEdition

This is R9000 with core/RAM clocks slightly braked down from what the AGP cards have (275/275 or 275/250) to 250/200.

regards, Peter

PS: jiffylube, do you know what sarcasm is?

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: AZGamer
"yeah there are a ton of future 845gl owners out there, i'm sure they'll make at least a pci rv250"

Nah - they'll be lightyears ahead with their "Intel Extreme Graphics".

What does the lack of AGP slot save them? 1,2,3 $? Let's just go back to EDO memory, and SIMMS, those are cheap

the physical plastic slot is about a quarter. the traces and pcb required are negligeable probably another 50 cents. because well if the design is already made (and it is since all companies have a non 845gl 845g board, then its just a matter of putting on a couple more caps and traces). intel saves the most and thats passed on, probably around $10 of the mobo cost because the die of the chipset is smaller, and the packaging wont have as many pins.

 

[Rand]

Originally posted by: Peter
Ladies and Gentlemen, the jury has returned to announce the verdict ...

http://www.cptech.com.tw/powercolor/web/product_inside.asp?prd_id=R9000PCIEdition

This is R9000 with core/RAM clocks slightly braked down from what the AGP cards have (275/275 or 275/250) to 250/200.

Look's like we have ourselves the first PCI graphics card fully supporting the DX8 feature set.

 

[Peter]

hans, that's the theory. In reality, Intel's many versions of the same chipset are in fact just packaging variations of what seems to be the exact same die. Kind of like with the Coppermine Celerons and P-IIIs, or with the earlier 440EX/BX/GX chipsets. The cost of making them is almost the same, the price differences are mostly political.

The bottom line is: Before shopping for a new system, do your homework.

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: Peter
hans, that's the theory. In reality, Intel's many versions of the same chipset are in fact just packaging variations of what seems to be the exact same die. Kind of like with the Coppermine Celerons and P-IIIs, or with the earlier 440EX/BX/GX chipsets. The cost of making them is almost the same, the price differences are mostly political.

The bottom line is: Before shopping for a new system, do your homework.

you can usually tell now, in most of the reviews, since the 845 series is flip chip packaging you can physically see that the die on the 845gl is smaller than the 845g