A paper describing an important Hominid fossil found in 1994 has been released

[Moonbeam]

Found this interesting tidbit on another site:

"That woodland habitat contrasts with the savanna where Lucy was thought to dwell, and it has big implications for our understanding of what caused hominids to rise to their feet. If the researchers are correct in thinking that Ardi walked upright as well as climbed trees, the environmental evidence would seem to strike the death knell for the ?savanna hypothesis??a long-standing notion that our ancestors first stood up in response to their move onto an open grassland environment [National Geographic News].

So how did bipedalism take off? One provocative idea rests on Ardi?s dental records. Researchers say her species lacks many typical features of chimpanzees, including large male canine teeth ? a sign, say the researchers, that the ultra-aggressive social behaviors seen in chimpanzees were lost early in the human lineage. If so, male A. ramidus may have competed for female attention by bringing them food, rather than fighting each other. That could have contributed to the evolution of pair-bonding behavior [Wired.com]. Some anthropologists believe that early hominids may have switched from a four-limbed gait to a two-legged stride so that the males could more easily bring home the bacon."

Again we see the sickness of the individualism emphasized in our society. Our strength is in caring for one another not looking out for number one. Perhaps our self hate is taking us down a road that will destroy us, as would be appropriate given how we feel.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: OCguy
I thought you were god-squad OP?

If you read more carefully you'll note that his ideas are those of a satanist, he belives that your own mind holds your answers if you just open up to it.

BTW, satanism has nothing to do with satan.

It has to do with your own wisdom as a human being.

Satanism != humanism

 

[sportage]

It may have looked like an ape, but she was a great dancer. Very popular with the "in crowd", back then...
A little makeup, some perfume, a body shave, and you could take her anywhere.

 

[First]

What's unfortunate is that a lot of the creationist nuts who are anti-evolution have already starting using this revelation as proof that evolution simply isn't hard fact. The sad reality is that nearly 75% of Americans who graduated high school either don't believe in evolution at all or don't have an opinion either way.

 

[gingermeggs]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Found this interesting tidbit on another site:

"That woodland habitat contrasts with the savanna where Lucy was thought to dwell, and it has big implications for our understanding of what caused hominids to rise to their feet. If the researchers are correct in thinking that Ardi walked upright as well as climbed trees, the environmental evidence would seem to strike the death knell for the ?savanna hypothesis??a long-standing notion that our ancestors first stood up in response to their move onto an open grassland environment [National Geographic News].

So how did bipedalism take off? One provocative idea rests on Ardi?s dental records. Researchers say her species lacks many typical features of chimpanzees, including large male canine teeth ? a sign, say the researchers, that the ultra-aggressive social behaviors seen in chimpanzees were lost early in the human lineage. If so, male A. ramidus may have competed for female attention by bringing them food, rather than fighting each other. That could have contributed to the evolution of pair-bonding behavior [Wired.com]. Some anthropologists believe that early hominids may have switched from a four-limbed gait to a two-legged stride so that the males could more easily bring home the bacon."

Again we see the sickness of the individualism emphasized in our society. Our strength is in caring for one another not looking out for number one. Perhaps our self hate is taking us down a road that will destroy us, as would be appropriate given how we feel.

What about benobo's Moonie?
They are almost identical to chimps and are mostly vegetarian and live in sexually hedonistic, matriarchal troops.
I believe bipedalism took off as a result of habitat change(from forest to savannas), increasing populations causing migration to other habitats and the need to scout for predators. Also contributing to the increased adaptability of those apes species. We aren't the only species to evolve from that predecessor, but we ultimately are most successful.
Our success was due to being the most genetically complex, fastest evolving form of life and having a brain that developed to formulate solutions based on imagination-pineal gland development. Which was a result of environmental feedback and the migrating to diverse and very oblique ecosystems.
Makes you think about whats next as the only "predators" left are ourselves.
I like your interest in general knowledge moonie, keep up the good work! You have a highly evolved pineal gland, your bloods worth bottling!

ps- Anglicans call there high up religious leaders "primates"- from the Latin Primus, "first"

 

[gingermeggs]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
An interesting point the article makes is :

"The common ancestor looked like Ardi. It's the chimp and gorilla that have evolved enormously, not hominids. Hominids have concentrated their evolution in two things -- upright walking and brain. Everything else is pretty primitive," Lovejoy said.

What is being referred to is that LinkArdi looks much less ape-like than was expected.

The article says Ardi's line could have been an evolutionary dead end. Why would God do that?

So that fools like you who question God's wisdom will go to hell.

So basically you are saying that only mindless drones who do not question anything are going to heaven?

And yeah, i get that you answered like you did because you are no less delusional than i am.

You have to be careful with me. I don't answer what I think at all times. In this case, shira asked me an idiotic question and I gave him an idiotic answer. I thought that was only fair. I have a nasty habit of being indifferent to what people think of me. I'm ceding no ground to shira in the area of being stupid or crass. The God he wants to make fun of does not exist. His god is a goat and the only goat he got is his own.

I love your postings john they have a simplistic wisdom, obvious rational and show you have a man's man wit, you must be a knock out with the kids.

 

[gingermeggs]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield


It's not strange that he looks ape like since ALL hominids are apes.

This has very little information and i cannot acces the site from where i am currently at but i'll find more if i search for it, i'm sure.

What was surprising wasn't how ape-like it was but how ape-like it wasn't. It is actualy more like us than apes.

Can you not read or can't you comprehend, we ARE APES, every single one of the family of hominids are apes, we are not monkeys which is probably what you meant to say but we are indeed apes.

EVERYONE of us in the speciec homo are apes, the sub species that we adhere to, whether it's neanderthalis or Sapiens Sapiens don't really matter when it comes to our definition as apes.

There ARE monkeys that are not apes though.

I have to stop and think a moment as to how to put this as belligerently and rudely as I can. OK ready steady go:

Look, asshole, I am a slow reader and didn't learn to read till very late, one of those idiot savant things apparently where I had to turn words into little intelligent talking machines I could only recognize by the color and form of the power cells I attach to them. So it grieves me to say that it's you that doesn't know how to read, or actually to comprehend what words communicate.

Humans are apes and that means exactly Jack shit in this discussion because the objects under discussion are nothing but apes. Every donkey knows that you are an ape.

What this conversation is about, therefore, is not apes but which of the three kinds of apes under discussion are the most ape like. See, dunce, apes are ape-like to varying degrees depending on whether they look like real apes, their ancestors, or relatives. When we speak of ape like, and are using the English language, to which I seem to pay much more attention than you, we mean morphologically shaped like a chimp an orang or a gorilla. A baboon is more apelike than a human even thought it isn't an ape and any 5 year old would classify them closer together than they would you if they were looking at anything except your brain.

So the fascinating thing the article pointed out is that this ancient ancestor looks to be closer to the morphology of a modern human fucking ape that isn't fucking ape-like and less like paleontologist had expected. They had always assumed that it was humans that had morphologically evolved while the modern apes had not. And just the opposite is turning out to be true. And that is indeed interesting if you're not brain dead and stupid.

So human apes are not so ape-like whereas apes very much are and this fossil is more human-like than ape-like even though it's fine by me to refer to all three as apes.

At ease.

Moonie they are all very individually ape like, none is a greater ape then the other!
That's why we call them ALL "great apes", like hell mate, wtf are you! an ape-ist?
They all evolved from the same predecessor and are branches off that stem!
Try this mantra, I know as wacko as I am it helps me stay grounded *sometimes* and allows me to communicate what I really mean in a way others will understand *some times*, instead of going off on manic tangents- which are a bit like fossicking for gold, you don't often find a nugget and is generally very rhetorical.
K.I.S.S
Keep It Simple Stupid
:lips:
I use this mantra when I have to achieve something I feel is practically worthwhile, I am now trying to expand that into other areas of my behavior.
PS. we had a census here in Australia a few years ago, in the box titled RACE; I wrote "GREAT APE",
Religion; I wrote "Islamic" just to piss em' off!
They probably binned my form.

 

[gingermeggs]

Originally posted by: First
What's unfortunate is that a lot of the creationist nuts who are anti-evolution have already starting using this revelation as proof that evolution simply isn't hard fact. The sad reality is that nearly 75% of Americans who graduated high school either don't believe in evolution at all or don't have an opinion either way.

Really I find that hard to believe, They must be totally divorced from nature or feebly impressionable.
75%! well I'll be buggered stupid! you don't say!
They probably believe water comes from the tap!

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
An interesting point the article makes is :

"The common ancestor looked like Ardi. It's the chimp and gorilla that have evolved enormously, not hominids. Hominids have concentrated their evolution in two things -- upright walking and brain. Everything else is pretty primitive," Lovejoy said.

What is being referred to is that LinkArdi looks much less ape-like than was expected.

The article says Ardi's line could have been an evolutionary dead end. Why would God do that?

Budget cuts?

 

[gingermeggs]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: OCguy
I thought you were god-squad OP?

If you read more carefully you'll note that his ideas are those of a satanist, he belives that your own mind holds your answers if you just open up to it.

BTW, satanism has nothing to do with satan.

It has to do with your own wisdom as a human being.

Satanism != humanism

The term now days is environmentalist!
It is the belief you are only a reflection of the quality of the environment you live in.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Well one thing is clear, in my opinion, and that is that this thread didn't go religious without the folk who took it there feeling some need. We are free to have our own opinions as to what that need might be.

It's a clever boxer who can punch his own shadow.

Hey, watch whom you're calling needy! And watch what you're calling "religion." I'm talkin' God, not religion. There's a difference, you know. (I'm not paranoid, I just frighten easily.)

And while we're on the subject of conspiracies, it's clear that this "Ardi" creature was just an arboreal kangaroo. Occam's razor and all that. Those paleontologists and anthropologists are just letting their imaginations run wild. Or maybe it's that global warmongering thingy.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: Moonbeam


The article says Ardi's line could have been an evolutionary dead end. Why would God do that?

LOL I thought you were referring to Moonbeam Well a guy can dream

 

[Moonbeam]

g: What about benobo's Moonie?

M: Is the question in the next part?:

g: They are almost identical to chimps and are mostly vegetarian and live in sexually hedonistic, matriarchal troops.

M: Yes, although I would not use the word hedonistic as it has, for me at least, pejorative moral implications, but I still don't know exactly what you are asking about them.

g: I believe bipedalism took off as a result of habitat change(from forest to savannas), increasing populations causing migration to other habitats and the need to scout for predators. Also contributing to the increased adaptability of those apes species. We aren't the only species to evolve from that predecessor, but we ultimately are most successful.

M: The belief you express here has been the theory up to now, apparently, but is exactly what the new find seems to dispute, as stated in the first paragraph of the material you quoted:

""That woodland habitat contrasts with the savanna where Lucy was thought to dwell, and it has big implications for our understanding of what caused hominids to rise to their feet. If the researchers are correct in thinking that Ardi walked upright as well as climbed trees, the environmental evidence would seem to strike the death knell for the ?savanna hypothesis??a long-standing notion that our ancestors first stood up in response to their move onto an open grassland environment [National Geographic News]." one implication of the find is that the link between man and the apes was far more bipedal than the apes of today. Other articles on the find imply that we may have stood up to free males to use their hands to bring food to females, that selective pressures on us were bases on how good males were as providers.

g: Our success was due to being the most genetically complex, fastest evolving form of life and having a brain that developed to formulate solutions based on imagination-pineal gland development. Which was a result of environmental feedback and the migrating to diverse and very oblique ecosystems.

M: I don't know if we are any more genetically complex than other living things or any faster evolving. I would think the flu virus is faster evolving. I don't know if we are any more genetically complex than whales or parrots or chimps. I would also not use the word successful to describe us over any other life form currently extant. What defines success? The insects look to me to be far more successful, or maybe even algae.

s: Makes you think about whats next as the only "predators" left are ourselves.

M: Makes me sad that we look a lot like a viral outbreak that will kill our host with our own excretions.

s: I like your interest in general knowledge moonie, keep up the good work! You have a highly evolved pineal gland, your bloods worth bottling!

M: Hehe, I will make it a point to learn more about the pineal gland. I am not familiar with such theory.

s: ps- Anglicans call there high up religious leaders "primates"- from the Latin Primus, "first"

M: Why did the words, 'the first shall be last' pop into my head?


PS: I am interested in lots of stuff but I am getting the feeling you know far more than I do and with far better facility.

 

[gingermeggs]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
g: What about benobo's Moonie?

M: Is the question in the next part?:

g: They are almost identical to chimps and are mostly vegetarian and live in sexually hedonistic, matriarchal troops.

M: Yes, although I would not use the word hedonistic as it has, for me at least, pejorative moral implications, but I still don't know exactly what you are asking about them.

g: I believe bipedalism took off as a result of habitat change(from forest to savannas), increasing populations causing migration to other habitats and the need to scout for predators. Also contributing to the increased adaptability of those apes species. We aren't the only species to evolve from that predecessor, but we ultimately are most successful.

M: The belief you express here has been the theory up to now, apparently, but is exactly what the new find seems to dispute, as stated in the first paragraph of the material you quoted:

""That woodland habitat contrasts with the savanna where Lucy was thought to dwell, and it has big implications for our understanding of what caused hominids to rise to their feet. If the researchers are correct in thinking that Ardi walked upright as well as climbed trees, the environmental evidence would seem to strike the death knell for the ?savanna hypothesis??a long-standing notion that our ancestors first stood up in response to their move onto an open grassland environment [National Geographic News]." one implication of the find is that the link between man and the apes was far more bipedal than the apes of today. Other articles on the find imply that we may have stood up to free males to use their hands to bring food to females, that selective pressures on us were bases on how good males were as providers.

g: Our success was due to being the most genetically complex, fastest evolving form of life and having a brain that developed to formulate solutions based on imagination-pineal gland development. Which was a result of environmental feedback and the migrating to diverse and very oblique ecosystems.

M: I don't know if we are any more genetically complex than other living things or any faster evolving. I would think the flu virus is faster evolving. I don't know if we are any more genetically complex than whales or parrots or chimps. I would also not use the word successful to describe us over any other life form currently extant. What defines success? The insects look to me to be far more successful, or maybe even algae.

s: Makes you think about whats next as the only "predators" left are ourselves.

M: Makes me sad that we look a lot like a viral outbreak that will kill our host with our own excretions.

s: I like your interest in general knowledge moonie, keep up the good work! You have a highly evolved pineal gland, your bloods worth bottling!

M: Hehe, I will make it a point to learn more about the pineal gland. I am not familiar with such theory.

s: ps- Anglicans call there high up religious leaders "primates"- from the Latin Primus, "first"

M: Why did the words, 'the first shall be last' pop into my head?


PS: I am interested in lots of stuff but I am getting the feeling you know far more than I do and with far better facility.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_Hypothesis

Take a good look at that and in particularly the revenge of gaia bit, note the reference about "god's race"
DMT is also interesting along with the pineal gland.
Maybe gaia hypothesis is a parallel to natural selection of our generation's time, Darwin was considered an occultist by many of the religious institutions of his day. Similarly to the way biologists dismiss Lovelock's ideas.
Will viruses or climate change (loss of habitable/arable area and stable weather conditions for man on the planet) be the equalizer, or are those things biota inputs to create the necessary evolutionary changes to mankind for him to advance further and seed other planets, galaxies and even possibly other universes?
All fantastic stuff all the same.
BTW, why did you change "g" to "s"? Please xplain'

 

[Moonbeam]

g: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_Hypothesis

Take a good look at that and in particularly the revenge of gaia bit, note the reference about "god's race"
DMT is also interesting along with the pineal gland.
Maybe gaia hypothesis is a parallel to natural selection of our generation's time, Darwin was considered an occultist by many of the religious institutions of his day. Similarly to the way biologists dismiss Lovelock's ideas.
Will viruses or climate change (loss of habitable/arable area and stable weather conditions for man on the planet) be the equalizer, or are those things biota inputs to create the necessary evolutionary changes to mankind for him to advance further and seed other planets, galaxies and even possibly other universes?
All fantastic stuff all the same.
BTW, why did you change "g" to "s"? Please xplain'
---

Very interesting.

I went g to s probably from lack of attention. I always capitalize the letter if I'm not careful and I habituated to small s for shira. He also posted where I see his name sliding up and down to refer back to what you posted. Sorry for the confusion.