A Palin thread from an Alaskan

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Apple Of Sodom

You have very many valid points, but I do not want to argue those here. I don't want to argue about how much oil is up here. There are figures all over the place and it really depends on who you choose to believe.

I gave you two sources that agree, including information from the U.S. Geological Survey. Search Google, and you'll find more that are the same or close. You said:

• "Estimates put it at enough oil to supply the entire country for 50 years."
  
• "There are figures all over the place"
  
• "it really depends on who you choose to believe."

You can't slide by with such unsupported blanket statements. I choose to believe credible sources, and I posted links to them. Got any to support your assertions? If not, move on.

Example: I believe in global warming, but from my formal education and speaking with scientists at our university, I also believe it has much more to do with the natural cycle of the earth than us. This is a point I do not want to argue on because it is fruitless.

It's fruitless if this discussion bears no fruit... i.e. valid information to inform everyone's opinions, preferably before they vote.

Further, when anyone starts citing Wikipedia as their reference I realize I have lost the argument do to complete inability to reason and find independent sources.

The Wikipedia article I linked contains as many citations and links of its own as you need if you care to challenge the accuracy of the article. You're a big boy. I bet you could follow them to confirm or challenge their accuracy. If you don't trust what you read, there, show us where it's wrong.

This is about Palin, not my own belief system and whether or not *I* think abortion should be legal or whether *I* think ANWR is a good idea.

I know this is about Palin. You acknowledged that I gave some actual thought to my previous replies, and I've kept them as relevant as I can to her views. I agree with your view on abortion. I think drilling in ANWR is a terrible idea, and I addressed that, directly.

I've also commented on many of Palin's other views that you listed. As a candidates for Vice President and President of the United States of America, I think she and McCain are a distaster looking for a place to happen. :thumbsdown:

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: QED
I can only imagine the kind of greeting jonks and company would've given AoS had he been an Alaskan who did nothing but wrote about how he disliked Palin. They would be tripping over themselves welcoming him onto their bandwagon. I doubt we would hear jonks say we shouldn't take AoS seriously unless he had at least one positive thing to say about Palin, would we? I didn't think so.

Instead, AoS gets ridiculed because he has an opinion that is slightly more informed than theirs. Go figure.

I greeted him quite cordially if you bothered to read the first page. However the quality of his claimed neutrality steadily decreased over the course of his posts to the point where he finds himself defending charging rape victims for collecting DNA evidence on the attackers because he deems it "a health service."

As to the insanity of the rest of your post, why would I spend my time arguing with someone who agreed with me on everything?

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: QED
I can only imagine the kind of greeting jonks and company would've given AoS had he been an Alaskan who did nothing but wrote about how he disliked Palin. They would be tripping over themselves welcoming him onto their bandwagon. I doubt we would hear jonks say we shouldn't take AoS seriously unless he had at least one positive thing to say about Palin, would we? I didn't think so.

Instead, AoS gets ridiculed because he has an opinion that is slightly more informed than theirs. Go figure.

I would ridicule anyone that thought a rape kit is a medical service ....

I have to be totally honest myself here-- I have no idea what a "rape kit" actually is, who uses it, and where or when it is supposed to be used.

I don't see how it's farfetched for someone not familiar with rape kits to think they are something that is used by a nurse/doctor at a hospital using hospital resources-- in which case, I'd imagine the hospital would bill the patient just like any other service-- so I see no need in ridiculing anyone who is not as enlightened to their usage as you appear to be.

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: jonks

As to the insanity of the rest of your post, why would I spend my time arguing with someone who agreed with me on everything?

I wouldn't expect you to, just like I wouldn't expect you to jump on the poster saying "I don't really believe you-- you had nothing but bad things to say about Palin, so I'm going to totally dismiss your opinion."

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

Originally posted by: QED

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: QED
I can only imagine the kind of greeting jonks and company would've given AoS had he been an Alaskan who did nothing but wrote about how he disliked Palin. They would be tripping over themselves welcoming him onto their bandwagon. I doubt we would hear jonks say we shouldn't take AoS seriously unless he had at least one positive thing to say about Palin, would we? I didn't think so.

Instead, AoS gets ridiculed because he has an opinion that is slightly more informed than theirs. Go figure.

I would ridicule anyone that thought a rape kit is a medical service ....

I have to be totally honest myself here-- I have no idea what a "rape kit" actually is, who uses it, and where or when it is supposed to be used.

I don't see how it's farfetched for someone not familiar with rape kits to think they are something that is used by a nurse/doctor at a hospital using hospital resources-- in which case, I'd imagine the hospital would bill the patient just like any other service-- so I see no need in ridiculing anyone who is not as enlightened to their usage as you appear to be.

As a last post...

I work in healthcare. I know about rape kits and their use. Regardless of opinion, the examination is a billable medical service.

Thanks, everyone. Hopefully, for those of you with level heads, you can take what I say with a grain of salt and realize that those of us in Alaska have seen her actions and can say she has been great to the state.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: QED
I can only imagine the kind of greeting jonks and company would've given AoS had he been an Alaskan who did nothing but wrote about how he disliked Palin. They would be tripping over themselves welcoming him onto their bandwagon. I doubt we would hear jonks say we shouldn't take AoS seriously unless he had at least one positive thing to say about Palin, would we? I didn't think so.

Instead, AoS gets ridiculed because he has an opinion that is slightly more informed than theirs. Go figure.

I would ridicule anyone that thought a rape kit is a medical service ....

Next up, 911 will be a toll call, and there will be fee schedules for getting the police out to your home.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: AeroEngy

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: Apple Of Sodom

The plane was purchased in 2005 for $3.7 million and used 58% of the time to transport prisoners both in and out of state. Yes. Murkowski was wrong in purchasing the jet outside of the legislative budget process. The jet was taken out of service when Palin became governor and sold 6 months later for $3.1 million. Note the variations in the following funding from the Alaska State budget ...

FY 2008 Budget
Inmate Transportation: $1,965,200

FY 2007 Budget
Inmate Transportation $1,947,500

FY 2006 Budget
Inmate Transportation: $1,475,700

FY 2005 Budget
Inmate Transportation: $1,272,500

FY 2004 Budget
Inmate Transportation: $1,731,800

Coincidence? It looks to me like the jet was saving the State of Alaska $500,000.00/yr in inmate transportation costs. Governor Palin has acknowledged the potential need in purchasing another aircraft.

See bolded. And the question about the new gasline and LNG terminal

Thank you for the time and effort you put into your thoughts .... I appreciate your support for the Governor and hope you get to keep her

Actually I believe it was purchase for 2.7 Million and sold for 2.1 Million. Which is probably a good deal counting depreciation. But that has been discussed in another threads.

Also considering the price of jet fuel is $3.13/gal and used to be around $1.20/gal in January of 2005. A 500,000 dollar increase doesn't seem that bad.

heyheybooboo is deliberately lying and refuses to respond to any counter point on this subject. That $500,000 increase in the budget was NOT on her watch, that was from the previous Governors budget. This has been pointed out to heyheybooboo 3 times, yet he continues to post this FUD. I could understand if he just made a mistake, but the fact that he refuses to address this tells me that he is lying.

I would gladly accept evidence to the contrary and concede this point, but he refuses to respond.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: Apple Of Sodom

Originally posted by: OrByte
Thanks for answering my question.

Here is another one:

If something happens to McCain, does Sarah Palin make a good President? in your opinion.

I believe she would. Sarah does not simply say "MY WAY IS CORRECT YOU WILL FOLLOW IT!" She would listen to advisors, listen to opinions, and make informed decisions that aren't based on gut feeling or pride.

She arguably has more experience in some areas than Obama, far less experience as far as world travel and foreign policy goes. However, she is ethical and very much cares about her people up here, and I think she would be the same caring individual for America. She isn't going to let her pride take over and make blind decisions.

Thanks for both views presented in this thread because I have alot of questions. I didn't know who this woman was until two weeks ago, and now she might be one senior moment away from leader of the free world.

So tell me this: would you want her confronting Darth Putin, OBL, Ahmadinejad, and Lil' Kim Jong Il? I appreciate the kind of common-sense success that small town, folksy wisdom and elbow grease can have on local and regional politics, but its international politics that can actually kill us all...so how do you feel there? Would you consider your family and way of life safe if she was all that stood between us and WWIII? I mean, there are serious moments in history when the whole amateur "surprising the old boys with her A-game" shtick simply will not work...can this lady handle it?

 

[sportage]

You left out that she is a Muslim.

 

[sierrita]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: Apple Of Sodom

Originally posted by: OrByte
Thanks for answering my question.

Here is another one:

If something happens to McCain, does Sarah Palin make a good President? in your opinion.

I believe she would. Sarah does not simply say "MY WAY IS CORRECT YOU WILL FOLLOW IT!" She would listen to advisors, listen to opinions, and make informed decisions that aren't based on gut feeling or pride.

She arguably has more experience in some areas than Obama, far less experience as far as world travel and foreign policy goes. However, she is ethical and very much cares about her people up here, and I think she would be the same caring individual for America. She isn't going to let her pride take over and make blind decisions.

Thanks for both views presented in this thread because I have alot of questions. I didn't know who this woman was until two weeks ago, and now she might be one senior moment away from leader of the free world.

So tell me this: would you want her confronting Darth Putin, OBL, Ahmadinejad, and Lil' Kim Jong Il? I appreciate the kind of common-sense success that small town, folksy wisdom and elbow grease can have on local and regional politics, but its international politics that can actually kill us all...so how do you feel there? Would you consider your family and way of life safe if she was all that stood between us and WWIII? I mean, there are serious moments in history when the whole amateur "surprising the old boys with her A-game" shtick simply will not work...can this lady handle it?

We'd be fools to risk it, and the American electorate is (hopefully) not yet that stupid (cross fingers).

 

[conehead433]

You left out that she is totally a right wing religous wacko.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Apple Of Sodom

Originally posted by: QED

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: QED
I can only imagine the kind of greeting jonks and company would've given AoS had he been an Alaskan who did nothing but wrote about how he disliked Palin. They would be tripping over themselves welcoming him onto their bandwagon. I doubt we would hear jonks say we shouldn't take AoS seriously unless he had at least one positive thing to say about Palin, would we? I didn't think so.

Instead, AoS gets ridiculed because he has an opinion that is slightly more informed than theirs. Go figure.

I would ridicule anyone that thought a rape kit is a medical service ....

I have to be totally honest myself here-- I have no idea what a "rape kit" actually is, who uses it, and where or when it is supposed to be used.

I don't see how it's farfetched for someone not familiar with rape kits to think they are something that is used by a nurse/doctor at a hospital using hospital resources-- in which case, I'd imagine the hospital would bill the patient just like any other service-- so I see no need in ridiculing anyone who is not as enlightened to their usage as you appear to be.

As a last post...

I work in healthcare. I know about rape kits and their use. Regardless of opinion, the examination is a billable medical service.

Thanks, everyone. Hopefully, for those of you with level heads, you can take what I say with a grain of salt and realize that those of us in Alaska have seen her actions and can say she has been great to the state.

Thanks for your posts they have been educational.

 

[alphatarget1]

Thanks for the valuable insight Apple Of Sodom! I met someone from Alaska who was doing an exchange at the university I was going to at the time and she was one of the nicest people I've met. I'm sorry your state got insulted by Obama supporters on this board, hope you'll stick around.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

My problem with her is she is no under qualified and lacking in knowledge of key areas like foreign policy that she would rely entirely on ad visors and cabinet members that could be feeding her bad advice.

It's incredible how we keep talking about her like she's at the top of the ticket. With Obama we know he's the man in charge and Biden is #2, McCain is really not.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays

It's incredible how we keep talking about her like she's at the top of the ticket

Obama's been the one talking about her...

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
My problem with her is she is no under qualified and lacking in knowledge of key areas like foreign policy that she would rely entirely on ad visors and cabinet members that could be feeding her bad advice.

It's incredible how we keep talking about her like she's at the top of the ticket. With Obama we know he's the man in charge and Biden is #2, McCain is really not.

Obama has no idea where he is half the time, thinks the US has 57 states (or is that Islamic states) can't get two words out of his mouth without stuttering and sounding like porky pig. And you have a hard time with Sarah Palin?

 

[Jiggz]

Team Obama was shaken so bad with Palin's candidacy that it caused a major earthquake across the globe, Japan! They attacked Palin like Obama has achieved anything as a State or Senate senator. In fact, Obama has yet to specify any accomplishment of his own that contributed for the betterment of this nation. Sure he was a community organizer just like Jo the Drunkard is! If that's the best single accomplishment he has done it's no surprise he attacks instead of stating his own! Pathetic!

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Jiggz
Team Obama was shaken so bad with Palin's candidacy that it caused a major earthquake across the globe, Japan! They attacked Palin like Obama has achieved anything as a State or Senate senator. In fact, Obama has yet to specify any accomplishment of his own that contributed for the betterment of this nation. Sure he was a community organizer just like Jo the Drunkard is! If that's the best single accomplishment he has done it's no surprise he attacks instead of stating his own! Pathetic!

It's bizarre to me how anyone could be so brainwashed that they took Palin's vicious attack speech against Obama at the RNC and interpret it as Obama attacking Palin.

But then again, some people also believe that an editor of the Harvard Law Review and a distinguished professor of Constitutional law doesn't know how many states the US has.

Then I re-read your post and its demand for proof of collective betterment, check your sig, and the irony is clear. The conservatives have one-upped the liberals and become socialists! But the kind that steals from the middle class and gives to the rich.

 

[Caveman]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Thanks for your insight. I am extremely leery however to take your post seriously because of a lesson I learned a long time ago that has been proven right over and over again...

Never trust someone that is unable to see the negatives.

You dismissed everything that she has done and supported her on every single issue. That to me screams and opinion that is blindly loyal and untrustworthy.

LOL!!! Based on what you typically post, you must consider yourself blindly loyal and untrustworthy . In all seriousness, I mean no ill will, but you don't seem to practice the ideal you hold near and dear. Just an observation, nothing more.

 

[Caveman]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The four worst Presidents in history were all Senators!

I think you missed one governor.

Nope

Generally the four worst are Buchanan, Harding, Pierce and Johnson. All Senators.
Worst governor would be Tyler.

According to whose list, PJ, when you've neglected to mention Coolidge anywhere?

Oh and BTW, McCain is a Senator. Palin is not running for President.

But I thought all the democrats are saying that Palin will be president, after McCain dies a very timely death in his mid seventies?

 

[Ballatician]

I did not read this thread however I think your explanation of her educational history may be inaccurate. It seems she only went to one school in Alaska.

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/516085.html

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
My problem with her is she is no under qualified and lacking in knowledge of key areas like foreign policy that she would rely entirely on ad visors and cabinet members that could be feeding her bad advice.

It's incredible how we keep talking about her like she's at the top of the ticket. With Obama we know he's the man in charge and Biden is #2, McCain is really not.

Yup, McCain is under the cosh

 

[trenchfoot]

Originally posted by: Apple Of Sodom

Originally posted by: sierrita
Uh, Yes; and that's exactly what I'm doing here: calling out a Pro-Palin Troll.

Why am I a troll? Just because I am Pro-Palin? Please give an example where I am trolling. Do you know the definition of trolling?

Please, grow up. I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else and was coming here to answer questions of those who may be on the fence or who are saying "What? This doesn't make sense."

I came in here trying to help. I have gotten some good arguments andposts from people I don't necessarily agree with.

I don't want to argue with you, or talk about why Palin is the Messiah and Obama is the Anti-Christ.

Please leave, you immature little partisan hack.

There goes the facade of objectivity you apparently are trying to promote in this thread.

 

[PandaBear]

I have no problem with Palin being a President, but the problem is not her. It is McCain and the republican party. Bush have done enough damage to ruin their shot and the republican primary didn't have palin in it, and McCain probably wouldn't pick her until Hillary wasn't the VP choice of Obama.

So, in a way, Palin will just be a flower vase in the oval office. She should be the president rather than McCain.

Palin Obama 2008 (or Obama Palin 2008)

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: tweaker2

Originally posted by: Apple Of Sodom

Originally posted by: sierrita
Uh, Yes; and that's exactly what I'm doing here: calling out a Pro-Palin Troll.

Why am I a troll? Just because I am Pro-Palin? Please give an example where I am trolling. Do you know the definition of trolling?

Please, grow up. I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else and was coming here to answer questions of those who may be on the fence or who are saying "What? This doesn't make sense."

I came in here trying to help. I have gotten some good arguments andposts from people I don't necessarily agree with.

I don't want to argue with you, or talk about why Palin is the Messiah and Obama is the Anti-Christ.

Please leave, you immature little partisan hack.

There goes the facade of objectivity you apparently are trying to promote in this thread.

Objectivity doesn't have to mean he hasn't taken a side.

If I asked you to discuss the topic of whether the world is flat, can you do it objectively and still have the opinion that it is?

In fact, a lack of objectivity IMO can be seen sometimes when someone does claim both sides are reasonable.

What he's saying is that he can support Palin, yet 'objectively' discuss things about her.