A Palin thread from an Alaskan

Apple Of Sodom

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Let me preface this by stating the following:

I was born in Alaska, and have been here over 25 years. I frequently travel, both within the USA, and out of the country.

I am not really a Republican or Democrat. I don't like to align with a single party. I think Bush has screwed this country for the last several years, as well.

I am not really religious. I don't believe in the whole speaking in tongues thing. I don't go to church, although I do believe that there is some higher being, which is probably remnants of going to church as a kid.

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There are a lot of people from outside who only hear the mudslinging and rumors about Sarah Palin. Let's set a couple of things straight.

1) Troopergate. Yes, the trooper involved was her brother-in-law. However, he tased his ten year old step-son. Yes, it was in a controlled environment. However, people do die from tasers and this was terrible judgement from a trooper.

The guy was also a drunk and a terrible officer. Most of us believe Sarah was right in pressuring to have him reprimanded more than he was. When they say the problem was taken care of, they are referring to slapping his hand. That is not enough for us. He needed to lose his job. We aren't talking about a Wal-Mart employee; this is a man that carries a loaded weapon for his job and was seen drinking beer in his patrol car.

2) Bridge to nowhere. This whole thing is silly. It started off as a legitmate need to connect a mainland town (albeit small) to the island where their airport is. Sarah initially accepted the money, but then the price of the bridge doubled, and it became ridiculous. Sarah then told congress that if Alaskan's wanted a bridge, they would build it themselves. Did she keep the money? Yes, but it went into other programs. It isn't as if she stole it. We would have been pissed if she just gave it back and didn't pour it into our state.

So yes, she said no to a somewhat good idea that got too big and out of hand. I'm not sure what the controversy is. She said yes to a good idea, that idea got way out of hand and budget, lost popularity with everyone, including her, and she said no.

3) She has done a lot for the state. She is regarded as the best governer here in 28 years. She is launching an investigation into why our oil prices are so high, and took state revenue from oil and sent us each $1200 back so we could pay for it. She DOES NOT control the price of oil.

4) Our previous governer bought a jet. The first thing Sarah did: put the jet on e-Bay. It did not meet reserve prices and the state ended up negotiating a deal to sell it. How many of you would have done this?

5) Our capital has no roads (I know, it is stupid) and can be reached by ferry or airplane. This is why Murkowski bought himself a jet. At any rate, not only did Sarah sell the private jet, but she flies coach to and from Juneau.

6) She got rid of her personal driver. She saved us money by driving herself to work.

7) She got rid of the family chef. She, or her husband, cook themselves, saving us money.

Ask yourself this: how easy would it have been for her to say "Well, we already bought the jet, and all the other governers get a chef and driver, so I'll just maintain that." ?

I know I would have.

8) She billed us for travel within the state. This is acceptable. You have to realize how large Alaska is. If we cut Alaska in half, Texas would be the third largest state. There are many, many places in this state only accesible by airplane. And no, Delta doesn't fly there. To fly from interior Alaska to, say Ketchikan, it can take 20 hours of travel. Let me reiterate: we have flights to Germany from here for $900 that take 8 hours. To fly from one Alaska city to another can mean 4 different connections on 4 small airlines, and can cost thousands of dollars for one trip. However, being governer, she is expected to travel and go to these small towns.

9) She billed per diem when she was at home. This is a little iffy. She followed the law though. Her "home" is technically the governer's mansion in Juneau. She chooses to live in Wasilla instead of uprooting her family. Instead of having everything provided in Juneau, she lives at her home at gets reimbursed.

10) She is Christian, as is 80% of the US. She goes to church, but never once have I heard her reference god or religion in any decisions she has made for the state.

11) She was "only the mayor of a small town." I've driven through that small town dozens of times. I remember how it was just a blip on the radar several years ago. Since Sarah has become mayor, that small town has boomed. Now it isn't just a blink on your way to another destination; for many, Wasilla is a destination. As a matter of fact, it is a place that attracts a lot of the money makers. They get to live an hour from Alaska's largest city, and can have their home in a small, albeit very nice, town.

12) She wants to drill ANWR while looking for alternative energy. Look, almost all Alaskans want to drill ANWR, including many native villages. Why?

First, ANWR is a very, very large desolate tundra. Think of Texas, only flatter and with nothing on it. It is not a place worth visiting.

Second, we see pictures. Caribou and other animals flourish around the pipeline. They like the warmth of it. It has not interrupted the migration of animals.

Third, there are ways to drill without disturbing the flora. In winter, they build massive ice roads that support the weight of the vehicles without realling impacting what is beneath.

If you do not want to drill ANWR, please come and see it first. Please come and see our pipeline and our current drilling stations on the north slope, and see the animals that simply walk under a 4 foot wide pipe on their way to their final destination. Come see the bears walking on top of the pipeline, and come see the caribou lying around near it. You will understand that ANWR is not a nice place, and that animals are not disrupted by the small structures we have on the slop.




Sarah is not perfect. She has made a few mistakes, but she is overall pretty honest. Alaskans love her, and many of them love her so much as governer that they will have a hard time voting for her as VP because it means she leaves us. Sarah doesn't take crap, and isn't bullied. She is a woman who cannot be bought, and it is pretty clear that she does the right thing in most cases.

 

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SO, is this really from you or is this an email you got?

seriously I'm curious.
 

Apple Of Sodom

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Umm...this is really from me. That is an odd question.

I rarely post, clearly from my count. I've been reading the news, and am not into politics. But I keep hearing the same stuff, and the same misunderstandings and was hoping to enlighten.
 

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Originally posted by: Apple Of Sodom
Umm...this is really from me. That is an odd question.

I rarely post, clearly from my count. I've been reading the news, and am not into politics. But I keep hearing the same stuff, and the same misunderstandings and was hoping to enlighten.

Thanks for your post. It's nice to see a post that isn't full of hatred and vitriol.

Just wait though, those posts will show up shortly.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: OrByte
SO, is this really from you or is this an email you got?

seriously I'm curious.
I tried to google a few lines and got nothing.

With all the other chain letters around this place I was thinking the same thing.
 

Apple Of Sodom

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Two other points:

1) She has never left the country. I'm not sure what the big deal is? There are parts of Alaska I have never even thought of travelling to that would be like another country. The Aleutian islands for one. Just because someone has never left the country doesn't mean they don't understand other countries.

We have maps of Mars that are more complete and detailed than the maps of our own planet, but we have never been there.

Alaskans are a little different. The state has a lot to offer, from a "big city" to a little tiny island where WWII was fought. There are many people that spend their lives exploring Alaska and don't feel the need to travel outside.

2) She went to 5 colleges. We have an entire network of colleges that are all part of the same system (The University of Alaska) with many different colleges in different parts of the state, not to mention the other little schools. It is not uncommon for someone to attend classes at one college and then classes at another college.

Example: University of Alaska Anchorage is known for its arts and nursing programs. Some people go there to get prerequisites out of the way, then move on to the University of Southeast to do some marine biology, because they are renowned for that.

It isn't as if we have a hundred different schools here; they are part of the same network and credits/courses are easily exchanged and transferable.
 

ProfJohn

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It is funny to see how the Democrats are responding to her.

They have totally lost it.

The Matt Damon thread is a perfect example: "I want to know if she believes in 4000 year old dinosaurs."

Did Damon ever say he wants to know if Obama believes aids was created to kill the black man??

I mean both the dinosaur and aids things comes from the church these two attend. Why the double standard?
 

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Here is a better letter from a Wasilla resident:

I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Gov. Sarah Palin since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a first-name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more City Council meetings during her administration than about 99 percent of the residents of the city.

She is enormously popular; in every way she's like the most popular girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice for vice president and won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because she is a "babe."

It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents for seven months.

She is "pro-life." She recently gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby. There is no cover-up involved here; Trig is her baby.

She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.

She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.

Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin's kind of job is highly sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their major source of income. Nor has her lifestyle ever been anything like that of native Alaskans.

Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.

She's smart.

Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000 (at the time) and less than two years as governor of a state with about 670,000 residents.

During her mayoral administration, most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings, which had given rise to a recall campaign.

Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a "fiscal conservative." During her six years as mayor, she increased general government expenditures by more than 33 percent. During those same six years, the amount of taxes collected by the city increased by 38 percent. This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax, which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefitted large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents.

The huge increases in tax revenue during her mayoral administration weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list, though ? borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt but left it with indebtedness of more than $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? Or a new library? No. $1 million for a park. $15 million-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex, which she rushed through, on a piece of property that the city didn't even have clear title to. That was still in litigation seven years later ? to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5 million for road projects that could have been done in five to seven years without any borrowing.

While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office redecorated more than once.

These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.

As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as governor Sarah proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.

In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenue: Spend today's surplus, borrow for needs.

She's not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas or compromise. As mayor, she fought ideas that weren't generated by her or her staff. Ideas weren't evaluated on their merits but on the basis of who proposed them.

While Sarah was mayor of Wasilla, she tried to fire our highly respected city librarian because the librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the city librarian and against Palin's attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the librarian are on her enemies list to this day.

Sarah complained about the "old boy's club" when she first ran for mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys." Palin fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the city and as governor, she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal ? loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the state's top cop.

As mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla's police chief because he "intimidated" her, she told the press. As governor, her recent firing of Alaska's top cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure and she had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty clear that an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn't fire her sister's ex-husband, a state trooper. Under investigation for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than two dozen contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew her support.

She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town, introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council became one of her first targets when she was later elected mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal city administrator; even people who didn't like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.

Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything publicly about her.

When then-Gov. Frank Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got the best, chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission ? one of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background in oil and gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job, which paid $122,400 a year, she was complaining in the press about the high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this commission (who was also the state chair of the Republican Party) engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the "old boys' club," when she dramatically quit, exposing this man's ethics violations (for which he was fined).

As mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from Sen. Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the "bridge to nowhere" after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.

As governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative action restored most of these projects ? which had been vetoed simply because she was not aware of their importance ? but with the unobservant she had gained a reputation as "anti-pork."

She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The state party leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a fiscal conservative.

Around Wasilla, there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They call her "Sarah Barracuda" because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah's mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and experienced manager, ran for mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.

As governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package of legislation known as "AGIA" that forced the oil companies to march to the beat of her drum.

Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR). She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to global warming. She campaigned "as a private citizen" against a state initiaitive that would have either protected salmon streams from pollution from mines or tied up in the courts all mining in the state (depending on whom you listen to). She has pushed the state's lawsuit against the Department of the Interior's decision to list polar bears as a threatened species.

McCain is the oldest person to ever run for president; Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being president.

There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she.

However, there are a lot of people who have underestimated her and are regretting it.
Claim vs. Fact

* "Hockey mom": True for a few years
* "PTA mom": True years ago when her first-born was in elementary school, not since
* "NRA supporter": Absolutely true
* Social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, but vetoed a bill that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships (said she did this because it was unconsitutional).
* Pro-creationism: Mixed. Supports it, but did nothing as governor to promote it.
* "Pro-life": Mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby but declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life legislation.
* "Experienced": Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska. No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city administrator to run town of about 5,000.
* Political maverick: Not at all.
* Gutsy: Absolutely!
* Open and transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at explaining actions.
* Has a developed philosophy of public policy: No.
* "A Greenie": No. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.
* Fiscal conservative: Not by my definition!
* Pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built streets to early 20th century standards.
* Pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on residents
* Pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city government in Wasilla's history.
* Pro-labor/pro-union: No. Just because her husband works union doesn't make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim that she is pro-labor/pro-union.

Why am I writing this?

First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting programs in the schools. If you google my name, you will find references to my participation in local government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.

Secondly, I've always operated in the belief that "bad things happen when good people stay silent." Few people know as much as I do because few have gone to as many City Council meetings.

Third, I am just a housewife. I don't have a job she can bump me out of. I don't belong to any organization that she can hurt. But I am no fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will cost me somehow in the future: that's life.

Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100 or so people who rallied to support the city librarian against Sarah's attempt at censorship.

Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.

Caveats: I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in spending and taxation two years ago (when Palin was running for governor) from information supplied to me by the finance director of the City of Wasilla, and I can't recall exactly what I adjusted for: Did I adjust for inflation? For population increases? Right now, it is impossible for a private person to get any info out of City Hall ? they are swamped. So I can't verify my numbers.

You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the population of Wasilla, ranging from my "about 5,000" up to 9,000. The day Palin's selection was announced, a city official told me that the current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was 5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to 2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-1990s.

Anne Kilkenny
 

Apple Of Sodom

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: OrByte
SO, is this really from you or is this an email you got?

seriously I'm curious.
I tried to google a few lines and got nothing.

With all the other chain letters around this place I was thinking the same thing.

I guess I can see that. And please, don't make this into a chain email. I just wanted to enlighten because things up here ARE different.

Do I think she would make a good VP? Well, I've seen what she has done for the state. She has a natural talent. She may not be ready for it yet, depending on your criteria. But what I can say is that she is like a ringer. She shows up for the game, no one thinks she can play well because she has never really played before, and then she kicks some serious ass.

She is like the kid in your calculus class that just "gets it" and is correcting the teacher and showing him new techniques. It kinda pisses other students off, students who have been studying math longer, because they are supposed to be better at it.

Sarah is the politician who isn't really a politician, and that is the appeal up here for us. She is NOT perfect, but she is really good and a pretty straight arrow who does the right thing even when we aren't looking. I never once thought of selling the jet, until she put it on eBay. That might seem silly or insignificant, but I think it shows her character. She could've done the easy thing, the luxurious thing, but she didn't.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Here is a better letter from a Wasilla resident:

I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Gov. Sarah Palin since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a first-name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more City Council meetings during her administration than about 99 percent of the residents of the city.

She is enormously popular; in every way she's like the most popular girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice for vice president and won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because she is a "babe."

It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents for seven months.

She is "pro-life." She recently gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby. There is no cover-up involved here; Trig is her baby.

She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.

She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.

Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin's kind of job is highly sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their major source of income. Nor has her lifestyle ever been anything like that of native Alaskans.

Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.

She's smart.

Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000 (at the time) and less than two years as governor of a state with about 670,000 residents.

During her mayoral administration, most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings, which had given rise to a recall campaign.

Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a "fiscal conservative." During her six years as mayor, she increased general government expenditures by more than 33 percent. During those same six years, the amount of taxes collected by the city increased by 38 percent. This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax, which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefitted large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents.

The huge increases in tax revenue during her mayoral administration weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list, though ? borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt but left it with indebtedness of more than $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? Or a new library? No. $1 million for a park. $15 million-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex, which she rushed through, on a piece of property that the city didn't even have clear title to. That was still in litigation seven years later ? to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5 million for road projects that could have been done in five to seven years without any borrowing.

While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office redecorated more than once.

These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.

As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as governor Sarah proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.

In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenue: Spend today's surplus, borrow for needs.

She's not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas or compromise. As mayor, she fought ideas that weren't generated by her or her staff. Ideas weren't evaluated on their merits but on the basis of who proposed them.

While Sarah was mayor of Wasilla, she tried to fire our highly respected city librarian because the librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the city librarian and against Palin's attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the librarian are on her enemies list to this day.

Sarah complained about the "old boy's club" when she first ran for mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys." Palin fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the city and as governor, she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal ? loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the state's top cop.

As mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla's police chief because he "intimidated" her, she told the press. As governor, her recent firing of Alaska's top cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure and she had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty clear that an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn't fire her sister's ex-husband, a state trooper. Under investigation for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than two dozen contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew her support.

She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town, introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council became one of her first targets when she was later elected mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal city administrator; even people who didn't like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.

Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything publicly about her.

When then-Gov. Frank Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got the best, chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission ? one of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background in oil and gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job, which paid $122,400 a year, she was complaining in the press about the high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this commission (who was also the state chair of the Republican Party) engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the "old boys' club," when she dramatically quit, exposing this man's ethics violations (for which he was fined).

As mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from Sen. Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the "bridge to nowhere" after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.

As governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative action restored most of these projects ? which had been vetoed simply because she was not aware of their importance ? but with the unobservant she had gained a reputation as "anti-pork."

She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The state party leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a fiscal conservative.

Around Wasilla, there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They call her "Sarah Barracuda" because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah's mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and experienced manager, ran for mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.

As governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package of legislation known as "AGIA" that forced the oil companies to march to the beat of her drum.

Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR). She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to global warming. She campaigned "as a private citizen" against a state initiaitive that would have either protected salmon streams from pollution from mines or tied up in the courts all mining in the state (depending on whom you listen to). She has pushed the state's lawsuit against the Department of the Interior's decision to list polar bears as a threatened species.

McCain is the oldest person to ever run for president; Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being president.

There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she.

However, there are a lot of people who have underestimated her and are regretting it.
Claim vs. Fact

* "Hockey mom": True for a few years
* "PTA mom": True years ago when her first-born was in elementary school, not since
* "NRA supporter": Absolutely true
* Social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, but vetoed a bill that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships (said she did this because it was unconsitutional).
* Pro-creationism: Mixed. Supports it, but did nothing as governor to promote it.
* "Pro-life": Mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby but declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life legislation.
* "Experienced": Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska. No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city administrator to run town of about 5,000.
* Political maverick: Not at all.
* Gutsy: Absolutely!
* Open and transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at explaining actions.
* Has a developed philosophy of public policy: No.
* "A Greenie": No. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.
* Fiscal conservative: Not by my definition!
* Pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built streets to early 20th century standards.
* Pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on residents
* Pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city government in Wasilla's history.
* Pro-labor/pro-union: No. Just because her husband works union doesn't make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim that she is pro-labor/pro-union.

Why am I writing this?

First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting programs in the schools. If you google my name, you will find references to my participation in local government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.

Secondly, I've always operated in the belief that "bad things happen when good people stay silent." Few people know as much as I do because few have gone to as many City Council meetings.

Third, I am just a housewife. I don't have a job she can bump me out of. I don't belong to any organization that she can hurt. But I am no fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will cost me somehow in the future: that's life.

Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100 or so people who rallied to support the city librarian against Sarah's attempt at censorship.

Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.

Caveats: I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in spending and taxation two years ago (when Palin was running for governor) from information supplied to me by the finance director of the City of Wasilla, and I can't recall exactly what I adjusted for: Did I adjust for inflation? For population increases? Right now, it is impossible for a private person to get any info out of City Hall ? they are swamped. So I can't verify my numbers.

You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the population of Wasilla, ranging from my "about 5,000" up to 9,000. The day Palin's selection was announced, a city official told me that the current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was 5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to 2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-1990s.

Anne Kilkenny



Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: OrByte
SO, is this really from you or is this an email you got?

seriously I'm curious.
I tried to google a few lines and got nothing.

With all the other chain letters around this place I was thinking the same thing.

And in comes Jpeyton, right one cue. Just google the first sentence.
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: Apple Of Sodom
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: OrByte
SO, is this really from you or is this an email you got?

seriously I'm curious.
I tried to google a few lines and got nothing.

With all the other chain letters around this place I was thinking the same thing.

I guess I can see that. And please, don't make this into a chain email. I just wanted to enlighten because things up here ARE different.

Do I think she would make a good VP? Well, I've seen what she has done for the state. She has a natural talent. She may not be ready for it yet, depending on your criteria. But what I can say is that she is like a ringer. She shows up for the game, no one thinks she can play well because she has never really played before, and then she kicks some serious ass.

She is like the kid in your calculus class that just "gets it" and is correcting the teacher and showing him new techniques. It kinda pisses other students off, students who have been studying math longer, because they are supposed to be better at it.

Sarah is the politician who isn't really a politician, and that is the appeal up here for us. She is NOT perfect, but she is really good and a pretty straight arrow who does the right thing even when we aren't looking. I never once thought of selling the jet, until she put it on eBay. That might seem silly or insignificant, but I think it shows her character. She could've done the easy thing, the luxurious thing, but she didn't.

Thanks for answering my question.

Here is another one:

If something happens to McCain, does Sarah Palin make a good President? in your opinion.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: Apple Of Sodom
I was born in Alaska, and have been here over 25 years. I frequently travel, both within the USA, and out of the country.

I am not really a Republican or Democrat. I don't like to align with a single party. I think Bush has screwed this country for the last several years, as well.

There are a lot of people from outside who only hear the mudslinging and rumors about Sarah Palin. Let's set a couple of things straight.

...snip

I appreciate the time you took with your post. Please stick around.

However, I don't believe you have more authority on the matter of setting straight certain criticisms than independent fact checkers just because you live in Alaska. You make a lot of assertions and normative judgments about her decisions and seem to ignore her spin on certain issues, specifically the Bridge, which if you listened to her convention speech you'd think she was against from the beginning and would never have had anything to do with such a waste of funds. She certainly didn't say "thanks but no thanks" before the controversy arose.

You may find the issue silly, but correcting the evolution of her true position is important, since the convention was the first time most people had ever heard her speak. She tried to come off as an anti-lobbyist/anti-washington/anti-earmark pol, and as we have since learned, that's not the case. I don't condemn her taking the funds, but introducing yourself to the country and claiming you never wanted the money is dishonest.

Now I'm a democrat and am predisposed against McCain/Palin, so you can ignore my comments if you like. I don't think Paliln is crooked, but the campaign is clearly trying to present her in the best possible light, and we have a right to ask questions about her background to find out how she really felt about certain issues without being accused of digging for dirt, as opposed to digging for facts.
 

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* "A Greenie": No. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.


Let me reiterate: Wasilla used to be nothing more than an Alaskan city no one cared about. We used to stop on the outskirts to buy fireworks as a kid, then slide on through. There are hundreds of towns in Alaska that have a small town feel - I still think Wasilla does. Big box stores? There is a Sears and I think a Home Depot. They are getting Target there. But that is what Alaskans want. We want options.

Many people won't move to Alaska because of lack of options. She did change Wasilla. One can argue for better or worse, depending on what they like. It did improve economy and now Wasilla is the place to be: small town feel, no traffic, decent shopping options and only an hour away from a major international airport.

She is not a greenie and won't claim it. She does respect the land. She hunts and fishes and certainly does not want to change the Alaskan way. However, she does support oil drilling, and she understands it better than most. It is important to note she has actually seen ANWR and actually knows what she is talking about.
 

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Thanks for your insight. I am extremely leery however to take your post seriously because of a lesson I learned a long time ago that has been proven right over and over again...

Never trust someone that is unable to see the negatives.

You dismissed everything that she has done and supported her on every single issue. That to me screams and opinion that is blindly loyal and untrustworthy.
 

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Originally posted by: OrByte
SO, is this really from you or is this an email you got?

seriously I'm curious.

Even if it were from an email, would it make it any less valid?
 

Apple Of Sodom

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Originally posted by: OrByte
Thanks for answering my question.

Here is another one:

If something happens to McCain, does Sarah Palin make a good President? in your opinion.

I believe she would. Sarah does not simply say "MY WAY IS CORRECT YOU WILL FOLLOW IT!" She would listen to advisors, listen to opinions, and make informed decisions that aren't based on gut feeling or pride.

She arguably has more experience in some areas than Obama, far less experience as far as world travel and foreign policy goes. However, she is ethical and very much cares about her people up here, and I think she would be the same caring individual for America. She isn't going to let her pride take over and make blind decisions.



 

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: OrByte
SO, is this really from you or is this an email you got?

seriously I'm curious.

Even if it were from an email, would it make it any less valid?

yes because it would be deceitful to state at the beginning of the OP that "I am from Alaska" and then copy and paste a chainletter.

you know its happened before. :)
 

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Originally posted by: jonks
I appreciate the time you took with your post. Please stick around.

However, I don't believe you have more authority on the matter of setting straight certain criticisms than independent fact checkers just because you live in Alaska. You make a lot of assertions and normative judgments about her decisions and seem to ignore her spin on certain issues, specifically the Bridge, which if you listened to her convention speech you'd think she was against from the beginning and would never have had anything to do with such a waste of funds. She certainly didn't say "thanks but no thanks" before the controversy arose.

You may find the issue silly, but correcting the evolution of her true position is important, since the convention was the first time most people had ever heard her speak. She tried to come off as an anti-lobbyist/anti-washington/anti-earmark pol, and as we have since learned, that's not the case. I don't condemn her taking the funds, but introducing yourself to the country and claiming you never wanted the money is dishonest.

Now I'm a democrat and am predisposed against McCain/Palin, so you can ignore my comments if you like. I don't think Paliln is crooked, but the campaign is clearly trying to present her in the best possible light, and we have a right to ask questions about her background to find out how she really felt about certain issues without being accused of digging for dirt, as opposed to digging for facts.

I completely understand. However, I don't think Sarah turned the money away because it became unpopular with her constiuents. I believe she was one of the people that started seeing this spiral and put an end to it at the same time as her constiuents started saying "What the hell?" Coincidence? Not really. She really is one of us and started feeling the same way about the bridge.

I know there is a spin. I think seeing through the spin is important. Now that we have gotten down to it, and we know what really happened, is it still acceptable? Yes. She accepted the money to begin with, and yes it was for a specific thing, but in the end she felt it was a terrible idea.

I am not more of an authority than independent fact checkers. But I have more understanding of how things work up here than those fact checkers and can mitigate some of her actions, such as attending the 5 universities. I can say "Hey, this is actually very normal." I can say "Yes, she spent a lot of money on travel. It is because I've flown here and it costs $3000 to get to some of these places she has to travel to." I can also give some sort of context. Our last governer spent over 5 times what she spent on travel, and purchased a private jet.

I can say that I've been to Wasilla and can see that it is becoming a very nice city, thanks to her.

Other than the bridge, can anyone name an earmark she supported at one point?



 

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Thanks for your insight. I am extremely leery however to take your post seriously because of a lesson I learned a long time ago that has been proven right over and over again...

Never trust someone that is unable to see the negatives.

You dismissed everything that she has done and supported her on every single issue. That to me screams and opinion that is blindly loyal and untrustworthy.
:thumbsup:
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: Apple Of Sodom
I was born in Alaska, and have been here over 25 years. I frequently travel, both within the USA, and out of the country.

I am not really a Republican or Democrat. I don't like to align with a single party. I think Bush has screwed this country for the last several years, as well.

There are a lot of people from outside who only hear the mudslinging and rumors about Sarah Palin. Let's set a couple of things straight.

...snip

I appreciate the time you took with your post. Please stick around.

However, I don't believe you have more authority on the matter of setting straight certain criticisms than independent fact checkers just because you live in Alaska. You make a lot of assertions and normative judgments about her decisions and seem to ignore her spin on certain issues, specifically the Bridge, which if you listened to her convention speech you'd think she was against from the beginning and would never have had anything to do with such a waste of funds. She certainly didn't say "thanks but no thanks" before the controversy arose.

You may find the issue silly, but correcting the evolution of her true position is important, since the convention was the first time most people had ever heard her speak. She tried to come off as an anti-lobbyist/anti-washington/anti-earmark pol, and as we have since learned, that's not the case. I don't condemn her taking the funds, but introducing yourself to the country and claiming you never wanted the money is dishonest.

Now I'm a democrat and am predisposed against McCain/Palin, so you can ignore my comments if you like. I don't think Paliln is crooked, but the campaign is clearly trying to present her in the best possible light, and we have a right to ask questions about her background to find out how she really felt about certain issues without being accused of digging for dirt, as opposed to digging for facts.
Thanks for that, you make alot of sense.

I think there is a TON of people with a BUNCH of questions about Palin. And the media decided to do what it does best, create a circus and make some $$ off of it.

All of the hyper-sensational stories are fading into the background now. Lets allow a more common sense approach to succeed and move this process forward. Palin and McCain have stated their case. Unfortunately its been almost two weeks since we have heard anything else from Palin so all we have to go by is what she says in her stump speech. When Jonks says she tried to come off as an "anti-lobbyist/anti-washington/anti-earmark pol" and we are learning things about her like this well then that makes a lot of people anxious about asking her the right questions and getting some answers from her.

To that end, her silence is deafening. And if people think that one interview on ABC is going to help matters any or make her case for VP any more substantial then imho we are seriously setting the bar low for our representatives. If she can't stand the pressure of media scrutiny, how is she going to stand against the scrutiny and pressure of foreign powers?

Again, if McCain picked her to be his "backup" do we really believe someone like Palin is going to make a good President? Was she choosen for her governing ability? what is it about HER that made her "ability" more attractive than other candidates? These are important questions imho.
 

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It really matters little who SP is. She is not qualified to be President. She is a nobody from Nome.

McCain is 71 I think and could die any day. It was a profound example of egotistical judgment to put her on the ticket. The American people did not have any opportunity to vet her or to even know who she is. That was a profoundly irresponsible thing for McCain to do.

It doesn't matter if she can come up to speed, the point is that she may have to and may fail. She is nothing more or less than a pig, with lipstick, in a poke.

She was chosen not because she has known qualifications to be the next President, but because the party decided she could help win the election, and fuck America if McCain dies.

Who gives a shit about the country, so long as you win. The Republican party again shows us again that they are swine.

If you had just landed from Mars and were rational and caring, would you vote for Biden or Palin? Only fools with partisan blinders can't see this.
 

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Thanks for your insight. I am extremely leery however to take your post seriously because of a lesson I learned a long time ago that has been proven right over and over again...

Never trust someone that is unable to see the negatives.

You dismissed everything that she has done and supported her on every single issue. That to me screams and opinion that is blindly loyal and untrustworthy.

I never said I don't see the negatives. This thread is about understanding because I live here and see it.

For example, I do not agree with how the $1200 energy rebate was distributed. I agree with giving the money back, but many people have been here for over a year, will experience winter with heating fuel near $4.50 a gallon, and didn't get the energy rebate because it was linked to the dividend check that they didn't qualify for.

However, I understand WHY she did it that way. Reason: people wanted action now. She was concerned about people scamming the system and getting the money. We already had a system in place that is less prone to scamming - the dividend - and it was the fastest route to get people the money the truly need. Maybe some don't understand: people freeze to death here. It does get to 60 degrees below zero. If you cannot purchase fuel...what happens?

What other negatives? She isn't perfect, and yes there is a spin on her. But if you look past the spin, surprise - she isn't an angel with perfect moral compass - but even under the spin, she is pretty damned good.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: OrByte
If something happens to McCain, does Sarah Palin make a good President? in your opinion.

If she can handle the debate with Joe Biden, she?d be a better choice for President than McCain.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: Apple Of Sodom
I can say that I've been to Wasilla and can see that it is becoming a very nice city, thanks to her.

Other than the bridge, can anyone name an earmark she supported at one point?

I'm sure Wasilla has blossomed under her, in no small part because she hired Alaska Sen. Ted Steven's former cheif of staff Steven Silver to work as a lobbyist for the town. No mayor had ever done that before. And it got her the money to improve the town, which is great. But she can't then come out at the convention and talk about being anti-lobbyist!

And she supported a lot of earmarks, which John McCain himself criticized at the time:
http://www.latimes.com/news/na...8sep03,0,6851593.story

Far be it from me to criticize her for attending multiple undergrads. I've been down that road :)