A nuclear bomb detonated in outer space......

techs

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Would a nuke in space be much less destructive than on Earth?
I am thinking since the "blast" effect is superheated air expanding rapidly on earth, that in space there would be no such effect.
I guess the casing and any of the bomb materials would vaporize but wouldn't they be of such a small amount as to cause little damage?
And the only effect would be the intense radiation, which would be greater than on earth since there would be no atmosphere to absorb it?

Darn, where are mythbusters when you need them?
 

buck

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Originally posted by: techs
Would a nuke in space be much less destructive than on Earth?
I am thinking since the "blast" effect is superheated air expanding rapidly on earth, that in space there would be no such effect.
I guess the casing and any of the bomb materials would vaporize but wouldn't they be of such a small amount as to cause little damage?
And the only effect would be the intense radiation, which would be greater than on earth since there would be no atmosphere to absorb it?

Darn, where are mythbusters when you need them?

I have wondered about this as well...
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Don't forget that the release of energy that superheats the air on earth is still being released. There is still a blast wave.
 

techs

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Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Don't forget that the release of energy that superheats the air on earth is still being released. There is still a blast wave.

A wave of what?
 

JohnCU

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Don't forget that the release of energy that superheats the air on earth is still being released. There is still a blast wave.

A wave of what?

i was getting ready to ask this. you're in a vacuum.
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Don't forget that the release of energy that superheats the air on earth is still being released. There is still a blast wave.

A wave of what?

Bingo.
 

So

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Don't forget that the release of energy that superheats the air on earth is still being released. There is still a blast wave.

A wave of what?

Highly rarefied gas in space, particles from the bomb itself, heat in the form of infrared radiation, gamma rays...
 

dighn

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there'd be no shock wave so all that energy is just gonna go into radiation, which would be even stronger becuase there is less material to absorb it. I guess it comes down to what is worse, the kinetic damage from shock waves or the higher thermal/radiation damage. I'd say it's still destructive enough ;)

interesting link: http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/conghand/nuclear.htm
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Originally posted by: Fayd
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Don't forget that the release of energy that superheats the air on earth is still being released. There is still a blast wave.

A wave of what?

energy.

least. that's all i can think of.

Winnar! The type and amount of energy released of course depends on the device. However even photons (think laser) in a concentrated area would have a serious impact.
 

Fayd

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Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Originally posted by: Fayd
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Don't forget that the release of energy that superheats the air on earth is still being released. There is still a blast wave.

A wave of what?

energy.

least. that's all i can think of.

Winnar! The type and amount of energy released of course depends on the device. However even photons (think laser) in a concentrated area would have a serious impact.

uh, no, photons arent gonna be the thing that damages.

it's gonna be radiation energy.
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: Fayd
uh, no, photons arent gonna be the thing that damages.

it's gonna be radiation energy.
Radiation can be photonic.

Gamma radiation = EM radiation = photons.

 

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Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: Fayd
uh, no, photons arent gonna be the thing that damages.

it's gonna be radiation energy.
Radiation can be photonic.

Gamma radiation = EM radiation = photons.

i should probably preface my answers with the most advanced physics i took was literally called "physics for business majors".

;)
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: Fayd
i should probably preface my answers with the most advanced physics i took was literally called "physics for business majors".

;)
What about high school physics? :p

Though I took Physics I and II in high school, and they were taught by a guy who had taught at the university level before taking a bit of a break to teach at a school instead.


I don't know what the primary form of radiation is that comes from a nuclear weapon.
One way or another though, that energy is going to be generated. On Earth, you can get a lot of destruction from the blast wave caused by rapid heating of the air. I don't know what the bomb would do in space though, since I don't know exactly what all goes on in the center of an atomic bomb once critical mass is attained.


 

Fayd

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Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: Fayd
i should probably preface my answers with the most advanced physics i took was literally called "physics for business majors".

;)
What about high school physics? :p

Though I took Physics I and II in high school, and they were taught by a guy who had taught at the university level before taking a bit of a break to teach at a school instead.


I don't know what the primary form of radiation is that comes from a nuclear weapon.
One way or another though, that energy is going to be generated. On Earth, you can get a lot of destruction from the blast wave caused by rapid heating of the air. I don't know what the bomb would do in space though, since I don't know exactly what all goes on in the center of an atomic bomb once critical mass is attained.

i would guess primary form would be infared. that would cause the superheating.

but without a medium, the infared would quickly disperse to the point of negligibility.

also a shitload of other EM spectrum rediation would be released, along with particulate matter from the bomb itself. (and along with that, particulate radiation)
 

Jeff7

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Dammit, where's DrPizza? He's got way more under his belt than just a few physics classes. :)

As something heats up though, you get lots of frequencies. As you heat up a filament, first you can feel some heat from it before it looks red - that's the infrared. As it gets hotter, it first turns red, then yellow, and then it starts getting various other frequencies until it looks white. But it does still give off a huge amount of infrared that's just wasted, since we can't see it.
I don't know what the spectral output of an atomic bomb would be, and it would likely vary depending on if it's uranium, plutonium, or a hydrogen fusion bomb.

And our air itself is opaque to different frequencies of light, so getting a spectrum reading from a safe distance might not reveal the whole thing.


Mythbusters: Buy some ICBMs and detonate them in space please. Ask NASA to stick a spectrograph thingy on the ISS and watch. :laugh:


 

dighn

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AFAIK the EM radiation from nuclear blasts are highly energetic, in the x-ray/gamma range. there's also a lot of energetic neutron radiation. both of these can cause heating effects if there are matter around. I imagine a nuclear weapon detonated in space would be more deadly to life and electronics than to large physical structures, unless detonated near said structures of course ;)
 

JEDIYoda

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https://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=169920

Very interesting question!

I'm going to quote several sources, so you can see that a consensus
seems to have formed.

Q: How does an explosion in space differ from that on Earth?
A: It would appear as a point or globe of light, with no huge clouds
of
smoke or vapor. Any such gases would diffuse very quickly. There
would also be no blast (pressure wave). That means a near miss by
a
torpedo would cause no damage other than from radiation.

Q: No nuclear mushroom cloud?
A: Not in space. Fallout, irradiated dust resulting from matter
vaporized
by the explosion, would also be absent. Nukes are less deadly in
space,
with no atmospheric effects. Most space habitations would also
have
protection from radiation, an expected hazard of space.

from, "The Science of Science Fiction" edited by Peter Nicholls:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obi...35243?v=glance&s=books

The main hazard of space nuclear explosions is EMP (electromagenetic
pulse).

The output of an atomic detonation is:

1) Blast: An explosion creates a wall of air (shock wave) which moves
outward from the fireball. In the vacuum of space this does not occur.
There is a smaller wave of vaporized bomb material, but this is minor
at orbital distances.

2) Ionizing radiation: The X-rays, gamma rays, and neutrons would be
both absorbed by the atmosphere and lowered in intensity by the
distance from the bomb (Inverse scaling)

3) Fallout: It is already pretty nasty in space. If the weapon is in
orbit, most of the fallout will have decayed long before re-entry. If
all re-enters, it will be diluted rather majorly. The most serious
pollutant would be plutonium. It is lethal in inhaled concentrations
of one millionth of a gram. The weapon will contain many thousands
grams (which implies many billions of lethal doses).

The re-entering material will be vaporized into gas. The vast bulk
will never be deposited into mammal's lungs. Even the inhaled material
will tend to be less than millionth of a gram quantity. The true
danger depends on the strength of the so-called linear-dosage
hypothesis (which is the current official standard). This is the view
that health effects do not drop off below a minimum dosage, they just
get weaker or less likely. One of its various implications means, for
example, if 1 microgram causes one cancer, then if ten people inhale
only a tenth of a microgram, then, statistically, one should develop
tumors.

4) Light and heat: The light and heat should be diluted sufficiently
to minimize surface damage. (DON'T look directly at it!)
found on the Explosions in Space discussion board:
http://pub80.ezboard.com/fever...ssage?topicID=17.topic

Again, in other words:
If a nuclear weapon is exploded in a vacuum-i. e., in space-the
complexion of weapon effects changes drastically:

First, in the absence of an atmosphere, blast disappears completely.

Second, thermal radiation, as usually defined, also disappears. There
is no longer any air for the blast wave to heat and much higher
frequency radiation is emitted from the weapon itself.

This effects are elaborated here:
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/...nd/nuclear.htm#REF17-4

A less well known effect of high altitude bursts, but also one with
potentially devastating consequences, is the artificial "pumping" of
the Van Allen belt with large numbers of electrons. The bomb-induced
electrons will remain trapped in these belts for periods exceeding one
year. All unhardened satellites traversing these belts in low earth
orbit could demise in a matter of days to weeks following even one
high altitude burst.

Elaborated here:
http://www.fas.org/spp/starwar...ss/1997_h/h970716u.htm

For a detailed study of the effects of such an explosion on
communicaton satelites, read here:
http://www.eas.asu.edu/~holbert/eee460/tiondose.html

Search terms used:
nuclear blast space radiation explosion emp
 

DangerAardvark

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Don't we already have a nuclear bomb in space called the Sun? Well, I guess it's fusion and not fission.
 

Bateluer

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Well, a nuke detonated in space would shatter the phantom zone prison mirror and release a group of Kryptonian supervillians . . .