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A nice little video, our capitalism in action

LOL serves them right.

The best part is when that semi-retarded guy at the end says:

"Myself along with the other 300 workers that I work with are a highly skilled trained workforce of food processing technicians. We are not canning factory workers that are general laborers."

That sounded like a George Carlin bit on shitty advertising.

Here is a news flash for you, if you are so skilled and valuable then you wouldn't have been almost instantly replaced.

This is simple poker, play the hand you are dealt people. If you are an unskilled worker in a recession then perhaps that might not be the best time to strike.

Even if you are a highly trained skilled food processing technician.
 
LOL serves them right.

The best part is when that semi-retarded guy at the end says:

"Myself along with the other 300 workers that I work with are a highly skilled trained workforce of food processing technicians. We are not canning factory workers that are general laborers."

That sounded like a George Carlin bit on shitty advertising.

Here is a news flash for you, if you are so skilled and valuable then you wouldn't have been almost instantly replaced.

This is simple poker, play the hand you are dealt people. If you are an unskilled worker in a recession then perhaps that might not be the best time to strike.

Even if you are a highly trained skilled food processing technician.

More lameness, and an endorsement of callous greed.

Why is there a recession, anyway?

Maybe the level of participation in the economy by temporary replacement workers making <$10/hr with no benefits will help understanding that...

Which is basically the Republican "vision" for America.

Middle class conservatism really is a pathological condition, because you're next, mow-ron...
 
I have followed this local story. Based on comments by local residents on local stories the majority of people seem to think the strikers were acting in bad form. Basically, they were asked by Motts parent company to take a small pay cut and some other things. They balked, freaked and just recently wrapped up a four month strike after the parent company dr pepper said no more offers. Motts locally was making do (arguably to what degree, motts said fine, strikers said no way you're doing fine) with temps working for much less.

I saw that the motts strikers had put themselves between a rock and a hard place. Their parent company was making no more deals and with each day its temp workers, making far less, were clearly going to get better at the job. I think these folk ultimately realized that in a 10% unemployment recession making $21/hour (widely used as what they were making, on average) plus benefits to pull a lever on an apple machine (let's get real, they are no more skilled than most manufacturing jobs) was a pretty good gig.

Some pointed out that the parent company made huge profits last year so why do they want pay cuts? Company says to bring workers in line with local costs. But these critics failed to note, generally, that the year prior they'd taken big losses--and believe me, the union didn't say "Oh, you're not doing so well you can cut our pay". In any case, this particular plant apparently does not perform all that well anyway.

For better or worse to me it looks like Motts called the union's bluff and the union realized it had no hand, so it had to tuck tail and agree to the deal. If I was a worker I'd be very scared what will happen three years from now after the contract is up.

BTW, these voluntary strike workers were not only making money from the union but also apparently were allowed to go on unemployment, so essentially got a summer off.

It was within the last couple of days, maybe Tuesday, that the strikers cancelled the strike.

To me there remains a key, ongoing piece of false logic from groups like this union. They keep thinking that they are somehow deserving of their employers' profits. Public-shared companies by definition are there to maximize shareholder value. If they can get somebody to do you job at half the price they almost have to do it. Just because they made absurd, crazy profits last year doesn't mean those are yours. They are not your mom, you don't get a bigger allowance because Mom won the lotto. That is not how it works. There is "fair" and there is reality. When you have nothing to negotiate with and your bluff is called you lose and that's what happened here. The strikers had nothing to bargain with; temps were doing their jobs for half (?) the price.
 
Funny how the spokesman did not want to talk about the CEO's pay. Shit like this wouldn't happen in corporate Germany or Japan. In Germany the CEOs are sensitive to the needs of their workforce. But this is American capitalism...
 
I have followed this local story. Based on comments by local residents on local stories the majority of people seem to think the strikers were acting in bad form. Basically, they were asked by Motts parent company to take a small pay cut and some other things. They balked, freaked and just recently wrapped up a four month strike after the parent company dr pepper said no more offers. Motts locally was making do (arguably to what degree, motts said fine, strikers said no way you're doing fine) with temps working for much less.

I saw that the motts strikers had put themselves between a rock and a hard place. Their parent company was making no more deals and with each day its temp workers, making far less, were clearly going to get better at the job. I think these folk ultimately realized that in a 10% unemployment recession making $21/hour (widely used as what they were making, on average) plus benefits to pull a lever on an apple machine (let's get real, they are no more skilled than most manufacturing jobs) was a pretty good gig.

Some pointed out that the parent company made huge profits last year so why do they want pay cuts? Company says to bring workers in line with local costs. But these critics failed to note, generally, that the year prior they'd taken big losses--and believe me, the union didn't say "Oh, you're not doing so well you can cut our pay". In any case, this particular plant apparently does not perform all that well anyway.

For better or worse to me it looks like Motts called the union's bluff and the union realized it had no hand, so it had to tuck tail and agree to the deal. If I was a worker I'd be very scared what will happen three years from now after the contract is up.

BTW, these voluntary strike workers were not only making money from the union but also apparently were allowed to go on unemployment, so essentially got a summer off.

It was within the last couple of days, maybe Tuesday, that the strikers cancelled the strike.

To me there remains a key, ongoing piece of false logic from groups like this union. They keep thinking that they are somehow deserving of their employers' profits. Public-shared companies by definition are there to maximize shareholder value. If they can get somebody to do you job at half the price they almost have to do it. Just because they made absurd, crazy profits last year doesn't mean those are yours. They are not your mom, you don't get a bigger allowance because Mom won the lotto. That is not how it works. There is "fair" and there is reality. When you have nothing to negotiate with and your bluff is called you lose and that's what happened here. The strikers had nothing to bargain with; temps were doing their jobs for half (?) the price.

You're right too.
 
More lameness, and an endorsement of callous greed.

Why is there a recession, anyway?

Maybe the level of participation in the economy by temporary replacement workers making <$10/hr with no benefits will help understanding that...

Which is basically the Republican "vision" for America.

Middle class conservatism really is a pathological condition, because you're next, mow-ron...

There is a recession because people who couldn't afford houses bought houses and Democrats fought to make sure everyone was eligible for a zero down, interest only, on a house way out of their budget.

But why not buy a sure thing right?

As far as these people go you must understand something, and this might be difficult for you.

You are in competition everyday of your life. No one owes you anything. The only people who get guaranteed money are teachers and professors (wonder why our educational system keeps going down the tubes).

They are lucky those jobs weren't shipped overseas.
 
I have followed this local story. Based on comments by local residents on local stories the majority of people seem to think the strikers were acting in bad form. Basically, they were asked by Motts parent company to take a small pay cut and some other things. They balked, freaked and just recently wrapped up a four month strike after the parent company dr pepper said no more offers. Motts locally was making do (arguably to what degree, motts said fine, strikers said no way you're doing fine) with temps working for much less.

I saw that the motts strikers had put themselves between a rock and a hard place. Their parent company was making no more deals and with each day its temp workers, making far less, were clearly going to get better at the job. I think these folk ultimately realized that in a 10% unemployment recession making $21/hour (widely used as what they were making, on average) plus benefits to pull a lever on an apple machine (let's get real, they are no more skilled than most manufacturing jobs) was a pretty good gig.

Some pointed out that the parent company made huge profits last year so why do they want pay cuts? Company says to bring workers in line with local costs. But these critics failed to note, generally, that the year prior they'd taken big losses--and believe me, the union didn't say "Oh, you're not doing so well you can cut our pay". In any case, this particular plant apparently does not perform all that well anyway.

For better or worse to me it looks like Motts called the union's bluff and the union realized it had no hand, so it had to tuck tail and agree to the deal. If I was a worker I'd be very scared what will happen three years from now after the contract is up.

BTW, these voluntary strike workers were not only making money from the union but also apparently were allowed to go on unemployment, so essentially got a summer off.

It was within the last couple of days, maybe Tuesday, that the strikers cancelled the strike.

To me there remains a key, ongoing piece of false logic from groups like this union. They keep thinking that they are somehow deserving of their employers' profits. Public-shared companies by definition are there to maximize shareholder value. If they can get somebody to do you job at half the price they almost have to do it. Just because they made absurd, crazy profits last year doesn't mean those are yours. They are not your mom, you don't get a bigger allowance because Mom won the lotto. That is not how it works. There is "fair" and there is reality. When you have nothing to negotiate with and your bluff is called you lose and that's what happened here. The strikers had nothing to bargain with; temps were doing their jobs for half (?) the price.

Fantastic post.
 
More lameness, and an endorsement of callous greed.

Why is there a recession, anyway?

Maybe the level of participation in the economy by temporary replacement workers making <$10/hr with no benefits will help understanding that...

Which is basically the Republican "vision" for America.

Middle class conservatism really is a pathological condition, because you're next, mow-ron...
It's funny how an observation of reality can be twisted into "lameness, and an endorsement of callous greed." He is simply pointing out the reality of the situation. Sorry if it doesn't fit your agenda, but there it is. Perhaps it's time to conform your agenda to reality rather than trying to twist reality to suit your agenda.
 
Funny how the spokesman did not want to talk about the CEO's pay. Shit like this wouldn't happen in corporate Germany or Japan. In Germany the CEOs are sensitive to the needs of their workforce. But this is American capitalism...

In Germany 6 million Jews were murdered. In Germany their porn involves a woman scrubbing toilets with her face while she gets railed from behind.

Don't talk to me about how Germany should be the norm.

The ONLY PEOPLE who truly want the whole working as hard as you can and getting paid only what you need bit are the people at the bottom and if they ever make it to the top they will change their minds very quickly. The Hollywood elite often advocates for it but are also often seen walking down red carpets in 100,000 dollar dresses wearing millions of dollars in jewelry too.

What the CEO makes has ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING on what the average worker should make you stupid commie.
 
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I'm sorry to rant but you really need to get something through your soft heads.

Michael Moore was on Anderson Cooper talking about the Mosque among other things a couple of days ago and he started ranting about "economic justice" and how how doesn't understand why we can't have an economic system that works for everyone.

Now I realize that the words "economic justice" probably gives you commies a puddle in your pants but you need to stop and realize what he is REALLY saying.


What he is REALLY saying is, "I don't see why we can't come up with an economic system where everyone else can do as well as I have."

What he is REALLY not saying is, "I'm willing to give up every bit of wealth that I do not need so that others can live a better life."


This is why there are so many stories of all of the people who advocate for "economic justice" cheating on their taxes.

Read between the lines lemmings.
 
LOL serves them right.
Here is a news flash for you, if you are so skilled and valuable then you wouldn't have been almost instantly replaced.

I always chuckle to myself when I read a post like this.
It reminds of the time we were putting an addition onto a house. The highly skilled homeowner was out there barking orders left and right, and telling us how we didn't know shit.
He walked over to where a couple of laborers were doing some trenching and grabbed a shovel. After a couple of minutes of attempting to work the shovel he threw it down and went back inside the house.
 
I always chuckle to myself when I read a post like this.
It reminds of the time we were putting an addition onto a house. The highly skilled homeowner was out there barking orders left and right, and telling us how we didn't know shit.
He walked over to where a couple of laborers were doing some trenching and grabbed a shovel. After a couple of minutes of attempting to work the shovel he threw it down and went back inside the house.
What am I to learn from this? That:

1) This so-called skilled worker was useless with a shovel, so in fact he's no better off skill-wise than what he used to think as a lowly-laborer, and he was put in his place.

or

2) This guy realized how much shoveling actually sucks, realized he didn't have to do it, and went inside, poured himself a jack and coke, and then lounged on his couch watching TV, occasionally glancing outside to the guys without degrees thinking how glad he was to be inside and not outside digging dirt?
 
What am I to learn from this? That:

1) This so-called skilled worker was useless with a shovel, so in fact he's no better off skill-wise than what he used to think as a lowly-laborer, and he was put in his place.

or

2) This guy realized how much shoveling actually sucks, realized he didn't have to do it, and went inside, poured himself a jack and coke, and then lounged on his couch watching TV, occasionally glancing outside to the guys without degrees thinking how glad he was to be inside and not outside digging dirt?

Something that is thought of as a non-skill is actually a skill.
I've worked a shovel a lot in my life, but have been in a hole and had someone next to me managing to toss 3 times the dirt out with half the effort.
I'm not knocking the homeowner, I'm sure he does his job well and deserves his rewards.
But too often people look down on something such as a production line worker and don't think they deserve the money they get. Having no idea what all that involves.
 
Something that is thought of as a non-skill is actually a skill.
I've worked a shovel a lot in my life, but have been in a hole and had someone next to me managing to toss 3 times the dirt out with half the effort.
I'm not knocking the homeowner, I'm sure he does his job well and deserves his rewards.
But too often people look down on something such as a production line worker and don't think they deserve the money they get. Having no idea what all that involves.

In the case of a business owner, I would say that he or she knows the kind of labor they require, and are compelled to find the best labor for the lowest price. If the owner can find equally good labor for a lower price, then there's nothing remotely unethical about acquiring it.
 
In Germany 6 million Jews were murdered. In Germany their porn involves a woman scrubbing toilets with her face while she gets railed from behind.

Don't talk to me about how Germany should be the norm.

The ONLY PEOPLE who truly want the whole working as hard as you can and getting paid only what you need bit are the people at the bottom and if they ever make it to the top they will change their minds very quickly. The Hollywood elite often advocates for it but are also often seen walking down red carpets in 100,000 dollar dresses wearing millions of dollars in jewelry too.

What the CEO makes has ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING on what the average worker should make you stupid commie.

You. Have. Issues.
 
Something that is thought of as a non-skill is actually a skill.
I've worked a shovel a lot in my life, but have been in a hole and had someone next to me managing to toss 3 times the dirt out with half the effort.
I'm not knocking the homeowner, I'm sure he does his job well and deserves his rewards.
But too often people look down on something such as a production line worker and don't think they deserve the money they get. Having no idea what all that involves.

unfortunately, the "skill" of shoveling is not worth anything, hence making it a non-skill.
just like the "skill" of pulling a lever, or the "skill" of turning a wrench, or just about every other form of manual labor.

sure, a "skilled" shoveler is better than a newbie on his first attempt, but over the next 15 minutes of training and practice, there will be so little disparity between the 2 (barring any difference in physical size/strength of the individuals) that it's not worth it to pay the "skilled" laborer any more than the new guy.
 
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Funny how the spokesman did not want to talk about the CEO's pay. Shit like this wouldn't happen in corporate Germany or Japan. In Germany the CEOs are sensitive to the needs of their workforce. But this is American capitalism...

because he's absolutely right. the CEO and his pay is completely irrelevant.
completely different job, completely different skillset.

i love how they always bring it up. "but, but, but.... the CEO is making millions and not getting a paycut."

well, good for him. you go out and become a CEO yourself and you can enjoy the same privileges.

the CEO, higher level execs, bankers, all make a shit ton more than i do.
I have not once complained because i understand that they serve a different role and provide specialized services that i cannot perform.
 
What am I to learn from this? That:

1) This so-called skilled worker was useless with a shovel, so in fact he's no better off skill-wise than what he used to think as a lowly-laborer, and he was put in his place.

or

2) This guy realized how much shoveling actually sucks, realized he didn't have to do it, and went inside, poured himself a jack and coke, and then lounged on his couch watching TV, occasionally glancing outside to the guys without degrees thinking how glad he was to be inside and not outside digging dirt?

"You're laborers; you should be laboring. That's what you get for not having an education!"

Was his name Dr. Hathaway? 😀
 
unfortunately, the "skill" of shoveling is not worth anything, hence making it a non-skill.
just like the "skill" of pulling a lever, or the "skill" of turning a wrench, or just about every other form of manual labor.

sure, a "skilled" shoveler is better than a newbie on his first attempt, but over the next 15 minutes of training and practice, there will be so little disparity between the 2 (barring any difference in physical size/strength of the individuals) that it's not worth it to pay the "skilled" laborer any more than the new guy.

Like I said, I've put in a lot of time on a shovel and know my guy can out dig me anytime
You take your newbie and give him 15 minutes of your shovel training.
I'll take my guy and we'll get them to dig our holes at min wage
I know my guy is not going to cost me a 1/10th of what your guy is going to cost you.
Now lets take my guy and you show him what buttons you push during your day at work.
My guy is probably going to be able to push those same buttons the next day.
You see where I'm gong here?

Of course your job is more then pushing a couple of buttons (although I know some are) and digging a hole is a lot more then 15 minutes of shovel training.
 
Like I said, I've put in a lot of time on a shovel and know my guy can out dig me anytime
You take your newbie and give him 15 minutes of your shovel training.
I'll take my guy and we'll get them to dig our holes at min wage
I know my guy is not going to cost me a 1/10th of what your guy is going to cost you.
Now lets take my guy and you show him what buttons you push during your day at work.
My guy is probably going to be able to push those same buttons the next day.
You see where I'm gong here?

Of course your job is more then pushing a couple of buttons (although I know some are) and digging a hole is a lot more then 15 minutes of shovel training.

i surf the web all day at work and nobody surfs better than me!!111!
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g57Mg-489KQ&feature=player_embedded

I thought this piece on a union labor dispute was a good example of what's going on with business in our country right now. I can see both sides of issue here, which is a pretty common one running through our economy right now, but I think there are some pretty egregious examples of how one side is being far more exploitative than the other.
Sorry brah, the company is right. In a time when wages are driven down, people should expect that their own wages to take a beating in order to stay competitive. It sucks, but that's just how it goes. If the company can replace you within a day, then that's what they'll do.

The thing about executives getting pay increases while workers get pay cuts is an interesting problem.
 
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