A modest proposal: A way to please both mosque and anti-mosque crowds.

[Infohawk]

So since so many Islam apologists on this board and on the streets are outraged at the outrage over the Ground Zero Mosque, what about this:

The Ground Zero Mosque gets built in all its architectural glory. No more discussion about moving it. Instead of complaining about the location of the mosque, those opposed instead put money towards buying the adjacent property. To what end?

A Muslim Extremist Crimes Museum and Victims of Extremists Memorial Center. The first floor will follow the violent rise and propagation of the superstition known as Islam. Visitors will be guided through the centuries as Muslims kill and invade to spread their religion. One floor will be an art museum dedicated to representations of the prophet Mohammed. Other areas will go be dedicated to the various types of victims of extremist Muslim hatred: Jews, Westerners, Indians, artists, authors, and all womankind. The top floor will be dedicated to 9/11 and the ongoing efforts by Muslim extremists to kill just about everyone else in the world. Sound good? (Heck, you could put a Victim of Christian Atrocities next door too but there wouldn't be as much good material.)

And remember Islam apologists, no complaining about the location of the Muslim Extremist Crimes Museum center.

Edit:
Other good suggestions:
The museum restaurant will specialize in pork products.

 

[manimal]

You have every right to try to build that there and raise money. Just expect the rest of the "apologists" to exercise their first amendment rights and call you out as a bigoted extremist....

Dont forget to add some guns in there, and maybe a shooting range ala dave and busters for the bigots.... Maybe you can get goldline to sponsor you...I bet you spent the entire day cooking this up....

 

[Sclamoz]

So since so many Islam apologists on this board and on the streets are outraged at the outrage over the Ground Zero Mosque, what about this:

The Ground Zero Mosque gets built in all its architectural glory. No more discussion about moving it. Instead of complaining about the location of the mosque, those opposed instead put money towards buying the adjacent property. To what end?

A Muslim Extremist Crimes Museum and Victims of Extremists Memorial Center. The first floor will follow the violent rise and propagation of the superstition known as Islam. Visitors will be guided through the centuries as Muslims kill and invade to spread their religion. One floor will be an art museum dedicated to representations of the prophet Mohammed. Other areas will go be dedicated to the various types of victims of extremist Muslim hatred: Jews, Westerners, Indians, artists, authors, stoned girls and teenagers. The top floor will be dedicated to 9/11 and the ongoing efforts by Muslim extremists to kill just about everyone else in the world. Sound good? (Heck, you could put a Victim of Christian Atrocities next door too but there wouldn't be as much good material.)

And remember Islam apologists, no complaining about the location of the Muslim Extremist Crimes Museum center.

If someone wants to build such a building next to a mosque than more power to them. Nobodyknows already suggested something similiar only using the statue of mohammed and I said the same thing to that as well.

I have no love for Islam and no matter how much you try and label everyone who disagrees with you an Islam apologist it's still not true.

 

[Infohawk]

You have every right to try to build that there and raise money. Just expect the rest of the "apologists" to exercise their first amendment rights and call you out as a bigoted extremist....

Dont forget to add some guns in there, and maybe a shooting range ala dave and busters for the bigots.... Maybe you can get goldline to sponsor you...I bet you spent the entire day
cooking this up....

Hmmm... so you're mad at the anti-mosque people criticizing the people putting mosque near ground zero, but you don't have a problem with people criticizing the proposed Muslim Horror Museum? Sounds like a double-standard.

And speaking of guns, the only ones needed would be to fend off the muslims who kill anyone for insulting Islam.

PS Yay it's the you must be a bigot unless you accept other people's superstition argument! Drink!

 

[Jaskalas]

A Muslim Extremist Crimes Museum and Victims of Extremists Memorial Center.

... put a Church next door. So they can hate each other for all of eternity.

 

[Slew Foot]

Make sure they only serve bacon and beer in the cafeteria.


Heck its NYC, have a guy with cart full of beer brats, standing outside the entrance.

 

[jackschmittusa]

Infohawk

The very act of you calling everyone who is not appalled by this community center "Islam apologists" just screams of your ignorance and denial of the actual issue.

So what's with you anyway? Not enough balls to admit your true feelings? Why not just come out and say "I hate all of those evil fucking Muslims!." and be done with it. Then nobody would likely bother you by pointing out the errors in your thinking.

 

[umbrella39]

So since so many Islam apologists on this board...

What an ignorant thing to say. Way to marginalize your close to 10 years here in one sentence. Shame.

 

[Infohawk]

Infohawk

The very act of you calling everyone who is not appalled by this community center "Islam apologists" just screams of your ignorance and denial of the actual issue.

So what's with you anyway? Not enough balls to admit your true feelings? Why not just come out and say "I hate all of those evil fucking Muslims!." and be done with it. Then nobody would likely bother you by pointing out the errors in your thinking.

I am not calling everyone who is not appalled by this community center an apologist. I'm fine with people who could care less. I just find the people who act like it's outrageous to question the location of the mosque easy targets.

I'm sure you'd love it if I said I hate evil fucking Muslims, because that would make it easier to justify attacking me right? Time for another drink for those playing the bigot allegation drinking game.

 

[Infohawk]

What an ignorant thing to say. Way to marginalize your close to 10 years here in one sentence. Shame.

Oh noes my P&N cred is gone. There is no question that there are a fair amount of apologists on this board. You know, the kind that act like only moderate Muslims are representative of Islam. Or the kind that refuse to recognize that the 9/11 bombers were motivated by Islam even though they went to their deaths screaming Allah Akbar.

What is your definition of an Islam apologist?

 

[jackschmittusa]

Infohawk

Actually, I can't remember anyone apologizing for Islam.

As for you, explain how your laundry list of grievances against Islam would be construed as anything but a means to diminish it. How it doesn't serve to foster hate, suspicion, and prejudice.

 

[Infohawk]

Infohawk

Actually, I can't remember anyone apologizing for Islam.

As for you, explain how your laundry list of grievances against Islam would be construed as anything but a means to diminish it. How it doesn't serve to foster hate, suspicion, and prejudice.

You may want to look up what "apologist" means. It doesn't mean you have to literally apologize. If you deny that Islam had anything to do with 9/11, you're pretty much a Muslim apologist.

Of course I'm diminishing Islam. Are you dense? It's a set of ridiculous superstitions and as such Islam is most certainly worthy of suspicion and prejudice. Hate is a waste of time in my opinion.

 

[coreyb]

oh I love your posts Infohawk, totally agree with everything you say.

 

[Sclamoz]

You may want to look up what "apologist" means. It doesn't mean you have to literally apologize. If you deny that Islam had anything to do with 9/11, you're pretty much a Muslim apologist.

Of course Islam has to do with 9/11. You can connect pretty much any group of people or religion you want to 9/11. Saying someone or something "had to do with" 9/11 is utterly meaningless. Hell New York and the people who live there "had to do with" 9/11. Should we fear them?

Why not just ask are muslims and mosques who aren't involved with terrorism responsible for 9/11?

 

[Infohawk]

Of course Islam has to do with 9/11. You can connect pretty much any group of people or religion you want to 9/11. Saying someone or something "had to do with" 9/11 is utterly meaningless. Hell New York and the people who live there "had to do with" 9/11. Should we fear them?

Look at the poll. If I recall correctly, 20% of voters on P&N said Islam had nothing to do with 9/11. I consider that a lot of apologists. And obviously we're not talking about just being adjacent to the WTC like many NYers were. It's obvious we're talking about causation. And generally I try to say Islam as opposed to muslims although I probably slip a lot. A random muslim in Indonesia had nothing to do with 9/11. But the institution of Islam certainly did. (With that said the random muslim in Indonesia should feel a level of shame for being part of Islam since it caused 9/11 and is generally a dangerous set of silly superstitions.)

 

[coreyb]

You can connect pretty much any group of people or religion to 9/11? umm. no

 

[umbrella39]

Oh noes my P&N cred is gone. There is no question that there are a fair amount of apologists on this board. You know, the kind that act like only moderate Muslims are representative of Islam. Or the kind that refuse to recognize that the 9/11 bombers were motivated by Islam even though they went to their deaths screaming Allah Akbar.

What is your definition of an Islam apologist?

Man, I need to reiterate that I am up to my damn armpits in Arabs/Muslims/Whatever and have been my entire life. Grew up with them and had to listen to and smell them for almost 50 years now. Orville Hubbard is rolling over in his grave that Dearborn, Michigan turned into the Middle East of the Midwest. I have had to listen to their wails over their loudspeakers for years so you will never, ever get any sort of apology from me. I hope you are sensing my frustration...

I simply don't think that this center nor it's proximity to the WTC is anything that I or any other American should be bitching about or offended by. They are already there, in mass numbers in NYC why shouldn't they be able to build there and what a better place to show that the vast majority of them are peaceful people who love and worship God just like Christians do.

Call me crazy but I just don't see how God would want people protesting this. The way I was brought up Catholic has me believe He would want the exact opposite.

 

[Infohawk]

I simply don't think that this center nor it's proximity to the WTC is anything that I or any other American should be bitching about or offended by.

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Like I said in my other thread, it comes down to whether you think Islam was a significant cause of 9/11 or not. Most Americans were hurt by 9/11. Whether you agree with the Iraq war or not, 9/11 was bullshit perpetrated by muslims. Do all muslims need to be deported and attacked? No. But maybe they just want to distance themselves from their fellow muslims who attacked. They don't have to go around apologizing every day, but one way to play it cool would be to put a little more distance between the center and ground zero.

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[Bateluer]

(Heck, you could put a Victim of Christian Atrocities next door too but there wouldn't be as much good material.)

Pretty sure there'd be plenty of material there too. Enough to fill its own building.

 

[Sclamoz]

Look at the poll. If I recall correctly, 20% of voters on P&N said Islam had nothing to do with 9/11. I consider that a lot of apologists. And obviously we're not talking about just being adjacent to the WTC like many NYers were. It's obvious we're talking about causation. And generally I try to say Islam as opposed to muslims although I probably slip a lot.

Saying Islam is the cause doesn't change your message what you're saying since it's made up of individual muslims. That's like saying Judaism is a religion of greed and manipulation but I don't have a problem with jews.

A random muslim in Indonesia had nothing to do with 9/11. But the institution of Islam certainly did. (With that said the random muslim in Indonesia should feel a level of shame for being part of Islam since it caused 9/11 and is generally a dangerous set of silly superstitions.)

Does Catholicism "have to do with" child molestation? Does Evangelicalism "have to do with" torturing women and children?

Should Christians feel shame for these things because a small minority in their religion did without their knowledge or control?

 

[Infohawk]

Pretty sure there'd be plenty of material there too. Enough to fill its own building.

Go for it, as long as you include raptor jesus artwork. But I'm not buy that modern Christianity is the cause of as much violence as modern Islam is. And Christianity had almost nothing to do with 9/11.

 

[Infohawk]

Saying Islam is the cause doesn't change your message what you're saying since it's made up of individual muslims. That's like saying Judaism is a religion of greed and manipulation but I don't have a problem with jews.

Does Catholicism "have to do with" child molestation? Does Evangelicalism "have to do with" torturing women and children?

Should Christians feel shame for these things because a small minority in their religion did without their knowledge or control?

Yes Catholocism has a causal relationship with molestation in the church. A) As part of their religion, they select for guys who are willing to go without having sex with women and then are disappointed when the priests take their needs out on people that can't point out their sins. B) the church turned a blind eye for a long time. Yes, Catholics should feel a certain level of shame for this. They donate to the catholic church and need to be more active in reforming the church. Any questions?

 

[Sclamoz]

Yes Catholocism has a causal relationship with molestation in the church. A) As part of their religion, they select for guys who are willing to go without having sex with women and then are disappointed when the priests take their needs out on people that can't point out their sins. B) the church turned a blind eye for a long time. Yes, Catholics should feel a certain level of shame for this. They donate to the catholic church and need to be more active in reforming the church. Any questions?

What about for the torture and murder of African women and children in the name of Jesus?

 

[umbrella39]

Like I said in my other thread, it comes down to whether you think Islam was a significant cause of 9/11 or not. Most Americans were hurt by 9/11. Whether you agree with the Iraq war or not, 9/11 was bullshit perpetrated by muslims. Do all muslims need to be deported and attacked? No. But maybe they just want to distance themselves from their fellow muslims who attacked. They don't have to go around apologizing every day, but one way to play it cool would be to put a little more distance between the center and ground zero.

I know it is a matter of proximity with you but I don't see how far is far enough away when it's simply a matter of too close. Is outside the photo far enough? Either you allow it anywhere or nowhere but that's just me. What if it were already there before 9-11... Should they have torn it down in homage? Where does it stop.

 

[Infohawk]

I know it is a matter of proximity with you but I don't see how far is far enough away when it's simply a matter of too close. Is outside the photo far enough? Either you allow it anywhere or nowhere but that's just me. What if it were already there before 9-11... Should they have torn it down in homage? Where does it stop.

As I said to Red Dawn in another thread, there are circumstances where it would be prudent. If it was already there it would be hard to object to it. It's hard to decide exactly when a person becomes responsible enough to drive a car for example, but we all know there's a dividing line somewhere.