A message to Toyota and Honda..MAKE BETTER CARS!!!!.......

[JulesMaximus]

Malibu was only a mild hybrid, so not really a fair comparison.

It is in the midsize sedan category so it most definitely is a fair comparison and the abysmal city fuel economy is one of the reasons why I never even bothered to look at the Malibu.

 

[LTC8K6]

It is in the midsize sedan category so it most definitely is a fair comparison and the abysmal city fuel economy is one of the reasons why I never even bothered to look at the Malibu.

Oh darn, we have different opinions. :biggrin:

 

[996GT2]

Cars seem cheaper to me because plastics and metals used in them are lighter and lighter.

And yet cars keep getting heavier and heavier with every new generation, lol.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Oh darn, we have different opinions. :biggrin:

😕 What does opinion have to do with it?

Oh, it's a MILD hybrid... 😛

 

[desy]

Toyonda make better than average cars.
Cars today from everybody are better than cars from 5 10 15 20 years ago

IMO its great the amount of choice and features available today in cars that cost the same if not lower 'inflation adjusted'

Every time I buy a new car I revel at the improvements over my last car

 

[tamm]

sooo wheres the OP lol?

so you love the brand name, but hate the cars...? time to move on to the next I suppose. Dont see a problem here at all.

Reliable: toyota
zoom zoom: Mazda
depreciates well: honda
tries to be everything but cant: nissan
survives for one car: subie and mitsu

 

[reallyscrued]

I'd just be content with if they made exciting cars once again at low price points.

Toyota...No Corolla S anymore? Thanks for bringing the manual transmission back...but why only 130 horsepower in all flavors?

Honda...The Civic Si is way overpriced. You're in the territory of turbo-4 cyl competition with those price tags. Loyalists and those comfortable with the brand will still buy, and I guess they are banking on that, but I don't know anyone who in their mind, would buy a Civic Si when there's the Focus/Fiesta ST, Veloster, WRX (for only a little more), or just V6 variations of other cars entirely.

 

[ElFenix]

From major japanese brands there is still subaru, mazda and mitsubishi, seems worth of trying one of these.

wat

 

[Denly]

Toyonda make better than average cars.
Cars today from everybody are better than cars from 5 10 15 20 years ago

IMO its great the amount of choice and features available today in cars that cost the same if not lower 'inflation adjusted'

Every time I buy a new car I revel at the improvements over my last car

Today's cars are bigger, more HP and a lot more high tech. All other aspect are debatable.

 

[dguy6789]

Sounds like OP has not even driven a new Accord, Civic, or Camry. They are excellent cars.

 

[monkeydelmagico]

And when I'm on my way home after a stressful day I don't want to hear:

- my door humm for the uninsulated thin steel skin resonating
- nor the entire plastic interior buzzing, snapping, crackling & popping
- nor my sunroof pop, side view mirrors whistle
- or earn a rug burn on my elbow from the cheap-@$$ canvas/nylon/polyester (aka PLASTIC) seat covers you're putting on my seats these days!!

Here's a suggestion: Trade in your old beater for a new ride?

 

[desy]

Add safer according to the NHTSC
add more reliable JD powers to CR to True Delta to Car Complaints all indicate the trend.
What other aspects are you reffering to?

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/news/industry/23-ways-your-car-is-better-than-your-dads
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...cles-are-a-much-better-value/article21221103/

 

[thomsbrain]

Ah, schizophrenia.

 

[dbk]

Lovin my 9th gen Accord Sport 6mt coming from 1st gen Honda Fit

I think it's going to age very well.

 

[evident]

my 7th gen is bulletproof. although it's showing some minor rust, which really irks me

 

[Belegost]

Solution? Don't buy a new Toyota. Buy a used Lexus.

Or Acura, or Infiniti, or Benz...

If this list:

- my door humm for the uninsulated thin steel skin resonating
- nor the entire plastic interior buzzing, snapping, crackling & popping
- nor my sunroof pop, side view mirrors whistle
- or earn a rug burn on my elbow from the cheap-@$$ canvas/nylon/polyester (aka PLASTIC) seat covers you're putting on my seats these days!!

Is what's important to OP, then he should be looking at upmarket vehicles.