A Matter of Minutes -- DOWNING STREET DOSSIER

[conjur]

Just a sampling:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/5/27/95544/1535

The Downing Street Dossier

1. The Goldsmith March 7, 2003 Legal Opinion Illegality Iraq Invasion; Iraq War a premeditated crime of aggression in knowing violation of UN Security Council; Liability of Prosecution before the International Court of Justice (UN); The International Criminal Court; and further legal action taken against the British govt. by Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament Goldsmith Legal Opinion (See below)

2. MINUTE : Wilmshurst Resignation Letter in Protest of Illegal Invasion, March 18, 2005; proof of Charge Iraq War a crime of aggression in knowing violation of UN Security Council and International Law; Proof that Goldsmith was aware of war's illegality. The Wilmshurst Minute

3. DOWNING STREET MINUTES; confidential intel meeting July 23, 2002; Intelligence was fixed to deceive the British people, Intention to violate the UN Security Council; Misrepresent Efforts to Use Diplomacy; Ruse of Disarmanent to cover intention to invade regardless of Iraq's efforts to disarm; non-co-operation with UN weapons inspector; Attempt to manipulate UN weapons inspector to provoke Saddam to start war; Pressure to Violate UN Law came from Washington; Plan to deceive the British people on true case and cause for war with Iraq. Downing Street Minutes

4. BBC Transcript; Tony, Iraq and the Truth; March 20, 2005; documentary; Includes and authenticates Downing Street Minutes; includes references to "cooked" intel and measures taken Blair to deceive the people; includes reference to Goldsmith opinion and the forced reversal; Manning's reasurrance to Rice that the war was on go as of March 2002; John Bolton saying in 2002 that the war was a done deal;BBC TRANSCRIPTS

It's getting harder and harder for our corporate news media to continue ignoring these finds. The crack in the Propagandist's armor has just turned into a crevasse!




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5/29
Smoking Bullet in the Smoking Gun?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/5/29/121914/591

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: conjur
It's getting harder and harder for our corporate news media to continue ignoring these finds. The crack in the Propagandist's armor has just turned into a crevasse!

Only because since it is is no longer election season that the Republicans are not spending millions greasing the palms of the media in the run up to the Election.

 

[BBond]

Smoking gun anyone?

Where is the liberal media???

When is America going to WTFU and hold these criminals accountable?

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: conjur
Just a sampling:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/5/27/95544/1535

The Downing Street Dossier

1. The Goldsmith March 7, 2003 Legal Opinion Illegality Iraq Invasion; Iraq War a premeditated crime of aggression in knowing violation of UN Security Council; Liability of Prosecution before the International Court of Justice (UN); The International Criminal Court; and further legal action taken against the British govt. by Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament Goldsmith Legal Opinion (See below)

2. MINUTE : Wilmshurst Resignation Letter in Protest of Illegal Invasion, March 18, 2005; proof of Charge Iraq War a crime of aggression in knowing violation of UN Security Council and International Law; Proof that Goldsmith was aware of war's illegality. The Wilmshurst Minute

3. DOWNING STREET MINUTES; confidential intel meeting July 23, 2002; Intelligence was fixed to deceive the British people, Intention to violate the UN Security Council; Misrepresent Efforts to Use Diplomacy; Ruse of Disarmanent to cover intention to invade regardless of Iraq's efforts to disarm; non-co-operation with UN weapons inspector; Attempt to manipulate UN weapons inspector to provoke Saddam to start war; Pressure to Violate UN Law came from Washington; Plan to deceive the British people on true case and cause for war with Iraq. Downing Street Minutes

4. BBC Transcript; Tony, Iraq and the Truth; March 20, 2005; documentary; Includes and authenticates Downing Street Minutes; includes references to "cooked" intel and measures taken Blair to deceive the people; includes reference to Goldsmith opinion and the forced reversal; Manning's reasurrance to Rice that the war was on go as of March 2002; John Bolton saying in 2002 that the war was a done deal;BBC TRANSCRIPTS

It's getting harder and harder for our corporate news media to continue ignoring these finds. The crack in the Propagandist's armor has just turned into a crevasse!

Bush better be careful or he will lose the next election.. oh wait..

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur
Just a sampling:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/5/27/95544/1535

The Downing Street Dossier

1. The Goldsmith March 7, 2003 Legal Opinion Illegality Iraq Invasion; Iraq War a premeditated crime of aggression in knowing violation of UN Security Council; Liability of Prosecution before the International Court of Justice (UN); The International Criminal Court; and further legal action taken against the British govt. by Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament Goldsmith Legal Opinion (See below)

2. MINUTE : Wilmshurst Resignation Letter in Protest of Illegal Invasion, March 18, 2005; proof of Charge Iraq War a crime of aggression in knowing violation of UN Security Council and International Law; Proof that Goldsmith was aware of war's illegality. The Wilmshurst Minute

3. DOWNING STREET MINUTES; confidential intel meeting July 23, 2002; Intelligence was fixed to deceive the British people, Intention to violate the UN Security Council; Misrepresent Efforts to Use Diplomacy; Ruse of Disarmanent to cover intention to invade regardless of Iraq's efforts to disarm; non-co-operation with UN weapons inspector; Attempt to manipulate UN weapons inspector to provoke Saddam to start war; Pressure to Violate UN Law came from Washington; Plan to deceive the British people on true case and cause for war with Iraq. Downing Street Minutes

4. BBC Transcript; Tony, Iraq and the Truth; March 20, 2005; documentary; Includes and authenticates Downing Street Minutes; includes references to "cooked" intel and measures taken Blair to deceive the people; includes reference to Goldsmith opinion and the forced reversal; Manning's reasurrance to Rice that the war was on go as of March 2002; John Bolton saying in 2002 that the war was a done deal;BBC TRANSCRIPTS

It's getting harder and harder for our corporate news media to continue ignoring these finds. The crack in the Propagandist's armor has just turned into a crevasse!

Bush better be careful or he will lose the next election.. oh wait..

Bush better be careful or he'll be the next Nixon. And if there is any justice in this world he and several of his accomplices will wind up where they belong. In Abu Ghraib with former U.S. prisoners as their guards.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur
Just a sampling:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/5/27/95544/1535

The Downing Street Dossier

1. The Goldsmith March 7, 2003 Legal Opinion Illegality Iraq Invasion; Iraq War a premeditated crime of aggression in knowing violation of UN Security Council; Liability of Prosecution before the International Court of Justice (UN); The International Criminal Court; and further legal action taken against the British govt. by Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament Goldsmith Legal Opinion (See below)

2. MINUTE : Wilmshurst Resignation Letter in Protest of Illegal Invasion, March 18, 2005; proof of Charge Iraq War a crime of aggression in knowing violation of UN Security Council and International Law; Proof that Goldsmith was aware of war's illegality. The Wilmshurst Minute

3. DOWNING STREET MINUTES; confidential intel meeting July 23, 2002; Intelligence was fixed to deceive the British people, Intention to violate the UN Security Council; Misrepresent Efforts to Use Diplomacy; Ruse of Disarmanent to cover intention to invade regardless of Iraq's efforts to disarm; non-co-operation with UN weapons inspector; Attempt to manipulate UN weapons inspector to provoke Saddam to start war; Pressure to Violate UN Law came from Washington; Plan to deceive the British people on true case and cause for war with Iraq. Downing Street Minutes

4. BBC Transcript; Tony, Iraq and the Truth; March 20, 2005; documentary; Includes and authenticates Downing Street Minutes; includes references to "cooked" intel and measures taken Blair to deceive the people; includes reference to Goldsmith opinion and the forced reversal; Manning's reasurrance to Rice that the war was on go as of March 2002; John Bolton saying in 2002 that the war was a done deal;BBC TRANSCRIPTS

It's getting harder and harder for our corporate news media to continue ignoring these finds. The crack in the Propagandist's armor has just turned into a crevasse!

Bush better be careful or he will lose the next election.. oh wait..

Oh look. A bitter aplogist. Gee...what are the odds? :roll:


Now, care to address the TOPIC?

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur
Just a sampling:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/5/27/95544/1535

The Downing Street Dossier

1. The Goldsmith March 7, 2003 Legal Opinion Illegality Iraq Invasion; Iraq War a premeditated crime of aggression in knowing violation of UN Security Council; Liability of Prosecution before the International Court of Justice (UN); The International Criminal Court; and further legal action taken against the British govt. by Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament Goldsmith Legal Opinion (See below)

2. MINUTE : Wilmshurst Resignation Letter in Protest of Illegal Invasion, March 18, 2005; proof of Charge Iraq War a crime of aggression in knowing violation of UN Security Council and International Law; Proof that Goldsmith was aware of war's illegality. The Wilmshurst Minute

3. DOWNING STREET MINUTES; confidential intel meeting July 23, 2002; Intelligence was fixed to deceive the British people, Intention to violate the UN Security Council; Misrepresent Efforts to Use Diplomacy; Ruse of Disarmanent to cover intention to invade regardless of Iraq's efforts to disarm; non-co-operation with UN weapons inspector; Attempt to manipulate UN weapons inspector to provoke Saddam to start war; Pressure to Violate UN Law came from Washington; Plan to deceive the British people on true case and cause for war with Iraq. Downing Street Minutes

4. BBC Transcript; Tony, Iraq and the Truth; March 20, 2005; documentary; Includes and authenticates Downing Street Minutes; includes references to "cooked" intel and measures taken Blair to deceive the people; includes reference to Goldsmith opinion and the forced reversal; Manning's reasurrance to Rice that the war was on go as of March 2002; John Bolton saying in 2002 that the war was a done deal;BBC TRANSCRIPTS

It's getting harder and harder for our corporate news media to continue ignoring these finds. The crack in the Propagandist's armor has just turned into a crevasse!

Bush better be careful or he will lose the next election.. oh wait..

Oh look. A bitter aplogist. Gee...what are the odds? :roll:


Now, care to address the TOPIC?

Which topic? The one where you simply copy and paste articles and 'I agree, I hate Bush" on them? Should I do it in this one, or one of the other 27 you started on the front page?

 

[CellarDoor]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur
Just a sampling:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/5/27/95544/1535

The Downing Street Dossier

1. The Goldsmith March 7, 2003 Legal Opinion Illegality Iraq Invasion; Iraq War a premeditated crime of aggression in knowing violation of UN Security Council; Liability of Prosecution before the International Court of Justice (UN); The International Criminal Court; and further legal action taken against the British govt. by Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament Goldsmith Legal Opinion (See below)

2. MINUTE : Wilmshurst Resignation Letter in Protest of Illegal Invasion, March 18, 2005; proof of Charge Iraq War a crime of aggression in knowing violation of UN Security Council and International Law; Proof that Goldsmith was aware of war's illegality. The Wilmshurst Minute

3. DOWNING STREET MINUTES; confidential intel meeting July 23, 2002; Intelligence was fixed to deceive the British people, Intention to violate the UN Security Council; Misrepresent Efforts to Use Diplomacy; Ruse of Disarmanent to cover intention to invade regardless of Iraq's efforts to disarm; non-co-operation with UN weapons inspector; Attempt to manipulate UN weapons inspector to provoke Saddam to start war; Pressure to Violate UN Law came from Washington; Plan to deceive the British people on true case and cause for war with Iraq. Downing Street Minutes

4. BBC Transcript; Tony, Iraq and the Truth; March 20, 2005; documentary; Includes and authenticates Downing Street Minutes; includes references to "cooked" intel and measures taken Blair to deceive the people; includes reference to Goldsmith opinion and the forced reversal; Manning's reasurrance to Rice that the war was on go as of March 2002; John Bolton saying in 2002 that the war was a done deal;BBC TRANSCRIPTS

It's getting harder and harder for our corporate news media to continue ignoring these finds. The crack in the Propagandist's armor has just turned into a crevasse!

Bush better be careful or he will lose the next election.. oh wait..

Oh look. A bitter aplogist. Gee...what are the odds? :roll:


Now, care to address the TOPIC?

Which topic? The one where you simply copy and paste articles and 'I agree, I hate Bush" on them? Should I do it in this one, or one of the other 27 you started on the front page?

Why not just explain your opinion regarding the downing street memo? What do you think of it?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Crimson
Which topic? The one where you simply copy and paste articles and 'I agree, I hate Bush" on them? Should I do it in this one, or one of the other 27 you started on the front page?

<ahem>

A Matter of Minutes -- DOWNING STREET DOSSIER



Or, did you enter this thread solely to thread-crap and troll? Why aren't you banned yet?

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur
Just a sampling:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/5/27/95544/1535

The Downing Street Dossier

1. The Goldsmith March 7, 2003 Legal Opinion Illegality Iraq Invasion; Iraq War a premeditated crime of aggression in knowing violation of UN Security Council; Liability of Prosecution before the International Court of Justice (UN); The International Criminal Court; and further legal action taken against the British govt. by Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament Goldsmith Legal Opinion (See below)

2. MINUTE : Wilmshurst Resignation Letter in Protest of Illegal Invasion, March 18, 2005; proof of Charge Iraq War a crime of aggression in knowing violation of UN Security Council and International Law; Proof that Goldsmith was aware of war's illegality. The Wilmshurst Minute

3. DOWNING STREET MINUTES; confidential intel meeting July 23, 2002; Intelligence was fixed to deceive the British people, Intention to violate the UN Security Council; Misrepresent Efforts to Use Diplomacy; Ruse of Disarmanent to cover intention to invade regardless of Iraq's efforts to disarm; non-co-operation with UN weapons inspector; Attempt to manipulate UN weapons inspector to provoke Saddam to start war; Pressure to Violate UN Law came from Washington; Plan to deceive the British people on true case and cause for war with Iraq. Downing Street Minutes

4. BBC Transcript; Tony, Iraq and the Truth; March 20, 2005; documentary; Includes and authenticates Downing Street Minutes; includes references to "cooked" intel and measures taken Blair to deceive the people; includes reference to Goldsmith opinion and the forced reversal; Manning's reasurrance to Rice that the war was on go as of March 2002; John Bolton saying in 2002 that the war was a done deal;BBC TRANSCRIPTS

It's getting harder and harder for our corporate news media to continue ignoring these finds. The crack in the Propagandist's armor has just turned into a crevasse!

Bush better be careful or he will lose the next election.. oh wait..

I gotta say, pwned.

It doesn't matter anymore what the truth is. Bush is here to stay.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: totalcommand
I gotta say, pwned.

:roll:

It doesn't matter anymore what the truth is. Bush is here to stay.

So, you don't mind that Iraq war justification is now out in the open as being based on lies? You defend that?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur
Just a sampling:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/5/27/95544/1535

The Downing Street Dossier

1. The Goldsmith March 7, 2003 Legal Opinion Illegality Iraq Invasion; Iraq War a premeditated crime of aggression in knowing violation of UN Security Council; Liability of Prosecution before the International Court of Justice (UN); The International Criminal Court; and further legal action taken against the British govt. by Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament Goldsmith Legal Opinion (See below)

2. MINUTE : Wilmshurst Resignation Letter in Protest of Illegal Invasion, March 18, 2005; proof of Charge Iraq War a crime of aggression in knowing violation of UN Security Council and International Law; Proof that Goldsmith was aware of war's illegality. The Wilmshurst Minute

3. DOWNING STREET MINUTES; confidential intel meeting July 23, 2002; Intelligence was fixed to deceive the British people, Intention to violate the UN Security Council; Misrepresent Efforts to Use Diplomacy; Ruse of Disarmanent to cover intention to invade regardless of Iraq's efforts to disarm; non-co-operation with UN weapons inspector; Attempt to manipulate UN weapons inspector to provoke Saddam to start war; Pressure to Violate UN Law came from Washington; Plan to deceive the British people on true case and cause for war with Iraq. Downing Street Minutes

4. BBC Transcript; Tony, Iraq and the Truth; March 20, 2005; documentary; Includes and authenticates Downing Street Minutes; includes references to "cooked" intel and measures taken Blair to deceive the people; includes reference to Goldsmith opinion and the forced reversal; Manning's reasurrance to Rice that the war was on go as of March 2002; John Bolton saying in 2002 that the war was a done deal;BBC TRANSCRIPTS

It's getting harder and harder for our corporate news media to continue ignoring these finds. The crack in the Propagandist's armor has just turned into a crevasse!

Bush better be careful or he will lose the next election.. oh wait..

I gotta say, pwned.

It doesn't matter anymore what the truth is. Bush is here to stay.

Wow, l33t speak here at P&N. OMGZORS! FOTM4TEHWIN!!

Seriously though, they thought the same thing of Nixon. But I will concede something, nothing will happen unless the Dems retake Congress in '06. Nothing.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: totalcommand
I gotta say, pwned.

:roll:

It doesn't matter anymore what the truth is. Bush is here to stay.

So, you don't mind that Iraq war justification is now out in the open as being based on lies? You defend that?

I did mind when it was first brought up. But now, it's all futile. Bush is in office, it's his last term. Dems need to get off their asses, stop focusing on Bush's idiotic reasons for going to Iraq, and start protecting the last thing we have going for us, the judiciary.

Do you actually think any of this will have an effect on the '06 Congressional election? That's the only thing that matters now.

 

[conjur]

Ah, so you excuse the greatest travesty against the world this country has ever committed? Wow.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Wow, l33t speak here at P&N. OMGZORS! FOTM4TEHWIN!!

dunno, pwned is pretty standard for me. don't see any numbers in there like "leetspeak"

Seriously though, they thought the same thing of Nixon. But I will concede something, nothing will happen unless the Dems retake Congress in '06. Nothing.

This isn't something Bush will get impeached over. You have to have an affair for that.

I like the concession, that's my whole point. Dems need to be focused on the '06 race, and none of this matters to that race. At the same time, I'd like the truth to get out.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: conjur
Ah, so you excuse the greatest travesty against the world this country has ever committed? Wow.

Excuse? No. I consider the tragedy a reality, and I am focused on the future, not the past, as you should be.

 

[conjur]

I, too, am focused on the future. In my future I see war criminals being held accountable for their actions. In your world, I guess ALL crime should be forgiven and the victims should just "move on", eh?

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: conjur
I, too, am focused on the future. In my future I see war criminals being held accountable for their actions. In your world, I guess ALL crime should be forgiven and the victims should just "move on", eh?

What does this finding have to do with war criminals? Do you think Bush will be held accountable for this? It's a complete waste of political capital to go investigate Bush again. You are focused on the past, and you're in an alternate reality, much like Bush is.

We are not talking about my world or your world. We are talking about the U.S. political world.

 

[Steeplerot]

He needs to be drug out in front of a jeering mob who has put up with his bullsh1t these years and thrown in gitmo, except he deserves a trial unlike what the sick bastards who ran this administration did to the current inmates.

A new nuremburg trial, douse him in oil (except his face so people know exactly who he is) cover him in his blood money then give him a m-16 and send em to iraq to clean up the mess he made, once the troops are home safely of course! run bushie run! see that redneck carpetbagger gogogo!

(in all fairness make sure to do the same thing to hussein -but tie their legs together so they have to do the 3 legged shuffle)


on second thought drop off saddam and rummy in karbala same deal, with empty nerve gas canisters tied to their backs, paybacks a b1tch.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: conjur
I, too, am focused on the future. In my future I see war criminals being held accountable for their actions. In your world, I guess ALL crime should be forgiven and the victims should just "move on", eh?

What does this finding have to do with war criminals? Do you think Bush will be held accountable for this? It's a complete waste of political capital to go investigate Bush again. You are focused on the past, and you're in an alternate reality, much like Bush is.

We are not talking about my world or your world. We are talking about the U.S. political world.

Investigate him *again*? WTF? In order for it to be "again" there has to have first been a prior investigation.

But, I see you're falling into the apologist mold.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: conjur
I, too, am focused on the future. In my future I see war criminals being held accountable for their actions. In your world, I guess ALL crime should be forgiven and the victims should just "move on", eh?

What does this finding have to do with war criminals? Do you think Bush will be held accountable for this? It's a complete waste of political capital to go investigate Bush again. You are focused on the past, and you're in an alternate reality, much like Bush is.

We are not talking about my world or your world. We are talking about the U.S. political world.

Investigate him *again*? WTF? In order for it to be "again" there has to have first been a prior investigation.

But, I see you're falling into the apologist mold.

yes AGAIN. Kerry invested political capital during the election to expose Bush's lies. Unfortunately, this information wasn't available then. Deal with it.

It's time to come back to reality, and see what needs to be done instead of living in the past and working with futile aims.

 

[Steeplerot]

nothing futile about justice, the people demand it.

If you are too lazy then sit back and get out of the way.

 

[gallivanter]

Far be it from me to disagree with any posted here or on the daily kos site, but you do realise that the whole of the Downing Street minutes are all based on the opinions and perceptions of one man, obtained from one short meeting? I am not even arguing the point that they are wrong, rather that there is nothing remotely close to a smoking gun.

 

[Steeplerot]

Not alone but all these professional opinions and documents put together is more then enough of a damning case for immediate impeachment for negligence and incompetence much less the corruption and manipulation of the american people.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: gallivanter
Far be it from me to disagree with any posted here or on the daily kos site, but you do realise that the whole of the Downing Street minutes are all based on the opinions and perceptions of one man, obtained from one short meeting? I am not even arguing the point that they are wrong, rather that there is nothing remotely close to a smoking gun.

And they are minutes that Blair and the British gov't accept? Or has that part sailed over your head?