Of course abortion is terrble. Who said it wasn't? The emotional scars of an abortion will heal much quicker than what and unwanted baby can do to young people and whole families though. Being pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion.....but sometimes the abortion is the better choice. I agree with you.
Of course abortion is terrble. Who said it wasn't? The emotional scars of an abortion will heal much quicker than what and unwanted baby can do to young people and whole families though. Being pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion.....but sometimes the abortion is the better choice. I agree with you.
You have done too poor a job of arguing your posistion to accuse me of not accepting "the truth." I think that legitimate disagreement can exist about this issue, as is also the case in many other issues.
OK fine, I just questioned him because he said in his post that he could not see how anyone could have a problem with it.
There's a difference between having a problem with it and being completely against it. Which are you? I agree that it's a terrible thing but sometimes it must be done. Do you agree or disagree? No more semantic games. It's too late for that.
What in sam hell is going on here. I pointed out that the statements in your post were contradictory. I feel like I am in court now.
His statements were not contracitory but merely and example of a "tough" decision where neither choice is easy. Life throws you those occasionally.
*shines light on your face in a dark and musty room*
Answer the question!
No seriously, I don't want to play the semantic game. I know it's late at night for me but I don't think my post is that unclear.
Answer the question!
No seriously, I don't want to play the semantic game. I know it's late at night for me but I don't think my post is that unclear.
Well, I think they were a bit contradictory.
About the OP though, I think her family should help her out more. I think it is unusual to stay with the father's father, unless everything was going good which seems not to be the case.
Why do you guys want to know my opinion so much?
Anyway my opinion is that it does not make sense to say that life begins at birth, therefore it must begin somewhere in the womb.
Anyway my opinion is that it does not make sense to say that life begins at birth, therefore it must begin somewhere in the womb.
Hmm, you claim I am not arguing my position well (which I am actually not really doing anyway) yet you refuse to take a position. Now that is contradictory. I see you like to ride the fence, you should become a Democratic politician because that is what they do best.
So, is abortion under certain circumstances OK? Why are you afraid to voice an opinion? I really couldn't care less what you or anyone esle thinks of me or my opinions....but you obviously do.
I'm not really trying to put you on the spot or not but I've made clear my position so it's only fair that you shed a little bit of light on yours.
I had a friend who found out very late in the pregnancy that the child was going to be very mentally and physically handicapped. They got an abortion. Within a year they had a beautiful and healthy daughter. That was a terrible decision and thing to go through. I remember feeling the kicking in the stomach during the first pregnancy. However, I think it was the right thing to do. That's about as bad as it gets for me since it was such a late term abortion.
For you I get the impression that you wouldn't support any type of abortion. What about rapes and incest? Birth defects albeit hopefully earlier in the pregnancy? Teenagers getting pregnant? Pregnancies that endanger the mother's life? Anything?
I had a friend who found out very late in the pregnancy that the child was going to be very mentally and physically handicapped. They got an abortion. Within a year they had a beautiful and healthy daughter. That was a terrible decision and thing to go through. I remember feeling the kicking in the stomach during the first pregnancy. However, I think it was the right thing to do. That's about as bad as it gets for me since it was such a late term abortion.
For you I get the impression that you wouldn't support any type of abortion. What about rapes and incest? Birth defects albeit hopefully earlier in the pregnancy? Teenagers getting pregnant? Pregnancies that endanger the mother's life? Anything?
I made comments to you because I thought you were saying things that didn't make sense like:
"You have to realize that the religious thinkers would rather destroy many current lives to save one possible life....."
"I have not been indoctrinated into a religious belief and am thus not constrained by such and am capable of assessing a situation in a wholistic manner. I understand science and biology very well. People like you only think in one dimension never considering the consequences. Sad the control religion places on people."
...which strike me as quite judgemental while you are railing on those who you say should not be judgemental of a woman's choice in this matter.
That is very sad. Anyway I will tell you about the behavior that I would like to follow personally, and that I think there are too many of these things in our country right now.
Originally posted by: mchammer
I made comments to you because I thought you were saying things that didn't make sense like:
"You have to realize that the religious thinkers would rather destroy many current lives to save one possible life....."
"I have not been indoctrinated into a religious belief and am thus not constrained by such and am capable of assessing a situation in a wholistic manner. I understand science and biology very well. People like you only think in one dimension never considering the consequences. Sad the control religion places on people."
...which strike me as quite judgemental while you are railing on those who you say should not be judgemental of a woman's choice in this matter.
HAHAHAHA....you just can't take a position can you? I am not being judgemental. I understand the religious people and how they make their decisions but that does not mean I hate or dislike them. Funny thing is I actually prefer religious people to athiests even though I am areligious. Whether you like it or not religion is a control structure but one chooses it, it is not innate and by choosing to think in the bounds of what religion teaches people don't consider all the consequences of a decision. That is all I said. If you think it is judgemental then fine. I don't hate religion I just don't buy into it.
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: mchammer
I made comments to you because I thought you were saying things that didn't make sense like:
"You have to realize that the religious thinkers would rather destroy many current lives to save one possible life....."
"I have not been indoctrinated into a religious belief and am thus not constrained by such and am capable of assessing a situation in a wholistic manner. I understand science and biology very well. People like you only think in one dimension never considering the consequences. Sad the control religion places on people."
...which strike me as quite judgemental while you are railing on those who you say should not be judgemental of a woman's choice in this matter.
HAHAHAHA....you just can't take a position can you? I am not being judgemental. I understand the religious people and how they make their decisions but that does not mean I hate or dislike them. Funny thing is I actually prefer religious people to athiests even though I am areligious. Whether you like it or not religion is a control structure but one chooses it, it is not innate and by choosing to think in the bounds of what religion teaches people don't consider all the consequences of a decision. That is all I said. If you think it is judgemental then fine. I don't hate religion I just don't buy into it.
Please rectify:
"You have to realize that the religious thinkers would rather destroy many current lives to save one possible life....."
and
"I am not being judgemental"
In addition:
"you just can't take a position can you"
So "I must be a Democrat"
Sounds like more judging going on here.
Originally posted by: mchammer
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: mchammer
I made comments to you because I thought you were saying things that didn't make sense like:
"You have to realize that the religious thinkers would rather destroy many current lives to save one possible life....."
"I have not been indoctrinated into a religious belief and am thus not constrained by such and am capable of assessing a situation in a wholistic manner. I understand science and biology very well. People like you only think in one dimension never considering the consequences. Sad the control religion places on people."
...which strike me as quite judgemental while you are railing on those who you say should not be judgemental of a woman's choice in this matter.
HAHAHAHA....you just can't take a position can you? I am not being judgemental. I understand the religious people and how they make their decisions but that does not mean I hate or dislike them. Funny thing is I actually prefer religious people to athiests even though I am areligious. Whether you like it or not religion is a control structure but one chooses it, it is not innate and by choosing to think in the bounds of what religion teaches people don't consider all the consequences of a decision. That is all I said. If you think it is judgemental then fine. I don't hate religion I just don't buy into it.
Please rectify:
"You have to realize that the religious thinkers would rather destroy many current lives to save one possible life....."
and
"I am not being judgemental"
In addition:
"you just can't take a position can you"
So "I must be a Democrat"
Sounds like more judging going on here.
How can the truth be judgemental? If you say abortion is wrong under any circumstance then that opinion is likely coming from a religious point of view and thus your only concern is for the unborn baby's life and not the lives it is going to affect. That is a fact. You cannot deny it. If abortion is unacceptable under ANY circumstances you value the fetus more than those it affects....period.
I was jabbing at you with the Democrat remark. It is not my fault Democratic politicians make their decisions more on polls than conviction. You are riding the fence here so I likened you to them. No biggie.
You are mighty defensive.
So, is abortion acceptable under certain circumstances?
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: mchammer
Please rectify:
"You have to realize that the religious thinkers would rather destroy many current lives to save one possible life....."
and
"I am not being judgemental"
In addition:
"you just can't take a position can you"
So "I must be a Democrat"
Sounds like more judging going on here.
How can the truth be judgemental? If you say abortion is wrong under any circumstance then that opinion is likely coming from a religious point of view and thus your only concern is for the unborn baby's life and not the lives it is going to affect. That is a fact. You cannot deny it. If abortion is unacceptable under ANY circumstances you value the fetus more than those it affects....period.
I was jabbing at you with the Democrat remark. It is not my fault Democratic politicians make their decisions more on polls than conviction. You are riding the fence here so I likened you to them. No biggie.
You are mighty defensive.
So, is abortion acceptable under certain circumstances?
That does not make any sense, I do not like how you are putting people into these kinds of categories.
As for my personal opinion, I will not discuss it any further on a public forum, other that to assure you that I am not some "religious nut" as you seem to be implying.
Originally posted by: mchammer
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: mchammer
Please rectify:
"You have to realize that the religious thinkers would rather destroy many current lives to save one possible life....."
and
"I am not being judgemental"
In addition:
"you just can't take a position can you"
So "I must be a Democrat"
Sounds like more judging going on here.
How can the truth be judgemental? If you say abortion is wrong under any circumstance then that opinion is likely coming from a religious point of view and thus your only concern is for the unborn baby's life and not the lives it is going to affect. That is a fact. You cannot deny it. If abortion is unacceptable under ANY circumstances you value the fetus more than those it affects....period.
I was jabbing at you with the Democrat remark. It is not my fault Democratic politicians make their decisions more on polls than conviction. You are riding the fence here so I likened you to them. No biggie.
You are mighty defensive.
So, is abortion acceptable under certain circumstances?
That does not make any sense, I do not like how you are putting people into these kinds of categories.
As for my personal opinion, I will not discuss it any further on a public forum, other that to assure you that I am not some "religious nut" as you seem to be implying.
Ok...let's take religion out of the equation, even though I am not calling people religious nuts. I underatand their position but do not agree with it.
If abortion is unacceptable under ANY circumstances then you value the life of a fetus more than you value the lives of the people it will affect. That is simple and not religious. How is that so hard to understand? What you are telling me by not taking a position is that you are afraid to becuase you think the fetus is more important than anyone it may affect and thus you have no counter argument. Fine by me. I am just bored and messing with you.
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From what I've seen, even though they would never admit it, many pro-lifers are more about enforcing their version of sexual morality than they are about caring for babies. The responsibility of raising a child is God's righteous punishment for "immoral" and "sinful" sexual behavior.
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: mchammer
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: mchammer
Please rectify:
"You have to realize that the religious thinkers would rather destroy many current lives to save one possible life....."
and
"I am not being judgemental"
In addition:
"you just can't take a position can you"
So "I must be a Democrat"
Sounds like more judging going on here.
How can the truth be judgemental? If you say abortion is wrong under any circumstance then that opinion is likely coming from a religious point of view and thus your only concern is for the unborn baby's life and not the lives it is going to affect. That is a fact. You cannot deny it. If abortion is unacceptable under ANY circumstances you value the fetus more than those it affects....period.
I was jabbing at you with the Democrat remark. It is not my fault Democratic politicians make their decisions more on polls than conviction. You are riding the fence here so I likened you to them. No biggie.
You are mighty defensive.
So, is abortion acceptable under certain circumstances?
That does not make any sense, I do not like how you are putting people into these kinds of categories.
As for my personal opinion, I will not discuss it any further on a public forum, other that to assure you that I am not some "religious nut" as you seem to be implying.
Ok...let's take religion out of the equation, even though I am not calling people religious nuts. I underatand their position but do not agree with it.
If abortion is unacceptable under ANY circumstances then you value the life of a fetus more than you value the lives of the people it will affect. That is simple and not religious. How is that so hard to understand? What you are telling me by not taking a position is that you are afraid to becuase you think the fetus is more important than anyone it may affect and thus you have no counter argument. Fine by me. I am just bored and messing with you.
I think it can be better described as an issue of when life begins. For example if an entity that was a life negatively affected the lives of others, your reasoning would not hold.
Originally posted by: mchammer
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: mchammer
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: mchammer
Please rectify:
"You have to realize that the religious thinkers would rather destroy many current lives to save one possible life....."
and
"I am not being judgemental"
In addition:
"you just can't take a position can you"
So "I must be a Democrat"
Sounds like more judging going on here.
How can the truth be judgemental? If you say abortion is wrong under any circumstance then that opinion is likely coming from a religious point of view and thus your only concern is for the unborn baby's life and not the lives it is going to affect. That is a fact. You cannot deny it. If abortion is unacceptable under ANY circumstances you value the fetus more than those it affects....period.
I was jabbing at you with the Democrat remark. It is not my fault Democratic politicians make their decisions more on polls than conviction. You are riding the fence here so I likened you to them. No biggie.
You are mighty defensive.
So, is abortion acceptable under certain circumstances?
That does not make any sense, I do not like how you are putting people into these kinds of categories.
As for my personal opinion, I will not discuss it any further on a public forum, other that to assure you that I am not some "religious nut" as you seem to be implying.
Ok...let's take religion out of the equation, even though I am not calling people religious nuts. I underatand their position but do not agree with it.
If abortion is unacceptable under ANY circumstances then you value the life of a fetus more than you value the lives of the people it will affect. That is simple and not religious. How is that so hard to understand? What you are telling me by not taking a position is that you are afraid to becuase you think the fetus is more important than anyone it may affect and thus you have no counter argument. Fine by me. I am just bored and messing with you.
I think it can be better described as an issue of when life begins. For example if an entity that was a life negatively affected the lives of others, your reasoning would not hold.
OK, so you are religious and against abortion under any circumstances. I get that. I respect your position but I do not to agree with you. If my wife was going to die carrying a baby to term and was pregnant I would abort the baby EVERY time....not even any thought needed. Even if the baby was 6 months along. Not even a question.
There definitely are people like that.....but thankfully you are not like that. Those are the "religious nuts" you alluded to earlier.
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