A Matter of Concern *Updated*

[Crimzon]

Your family convinced her it was a bad decision? If that is her pattern in life, how is having a kid making things any easier? It will not magically mature her or teach her responsibility. It was her choice to have the abortion inititally if she wanted and now that your family talked her into having the child, your family should be lending support. Calling child services is pushing the problem off to someone else. Her mother should let her move back in and help out, or whoever else 'took part in the decision'.

 

[Amplifier]

Originally posted by: leegroves86
Ronstang: If you can justify sticking a needle in a baby's brain and literally vaccuming it's brains out then you have problems. That is a person in there. A person that has a heartbeat at 18 days old! How people can justify murder is beyond me...

Not bad, we'll see how this one plays out.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
A little backstory first. My cousin is 19 years old and she has a 7 month old baby named Neveah. She's relatively immature for her age, dropped out of school long ago, has never held down a job, etc. She's currently living with her boyfriend's father and his sister although she's spent short periods living with my mother. When she got pregnant there was a time when she was considering abortion. The rest of the family, myself included, eventually convinced her that this was a bad decision

My mother recently had a telephone conversation with my aunt (my cousin's mother). My cousin has been trying to get her mother to allow her to move back in with her for some time now, claiming that she can't stand being with the baby all the time and that the responibility was literally driving her out of her mind. A few nights ago she dropped a real bomb on my aunt, claiming that she would "Kill the baby before it's a year old". Obviously this distressed my aunt a great deal and she called my mother (who is a social worker). The general concensus is that this is probably just a rather extreme tactic that my cousin is using to get what she wants, and that she really doesn't mean to harm the child. However we also agree that such things should never be taken lightly. Crimes of the sort that she threatened do indeed happen all the time, and she may truly be at the end of her rope.

The decision we made was that my mother would go talk to her. She would basically give her an ultimatum to admit right then and there that she wasn't serious, or my mother would call the Office of Community Services and let them deal with her.

What does ATOT think of this situation? Did we decide to do the right thing? Is it enough? I dunno maybe this is a bit serious for these forums.

YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE! Your family talked an irresponsible girl into having a baby. Just what the he!! is wrong with your family. And don't come whinning around here with the problems you helped create!:disgust:

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: leegroves86
Ronstang: If you can justify sticking a needle in a baby's brain and literally vaccuming it's brains out then you have problems. That is a person in there. A person that has a heartbeat at 18 days old! How people can justify murder is beyond me...

I don't have any problems. I have not been indoctrinated into a religious belief and am thus not constrained by such and am capable of assessing a situation in a wholistic manner. I understand science and biology very well. People like you only think in one dimension never considering the consequences. Sad the control religion places on people.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: leegroves86
Ronstang: If you can justify sticking a needle in a baby's brain and literally vaccuming it's brains out then you have problems. That is a person in there. A person that has a heartbeat at 18 days old! How people can justify murder is beyond me...

Sure, it's like murdering a pile of manure, which has about the same amount of intelligence. And many more living organisms.

 

[uhohs]

keep on preaching mr. unreligious. your opinion is so much awesomer than ours.

 

[mchammer]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: leegroves86
Ronstang: If you can justify sticking a needle in a baby's brain and literally vaccuming it's brains out then you have problems. That is a person in there. A person that has a heartbeat at 18 days old! How people can justify murder is beyond me...

I don't have any problems. I have not been indoctrinated into a religious belief and am thus not constrained by such and am capable of assessing a situation in a wholistic manner. I understand science and biology very well. People like you only think in one dimension never considering the consequences. Sad the control religion places on people.

BS, you can justify anything with that kind of thinking. Plus science has nothing to do with it. Science cannot assign value to anything, including humans. It can however, explain how the stomach operates, etc. Why can't you make normal responses like everyone else on here.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: mchammer

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: leegroves86
Ronstang: If you can justify sticking a needle in a baby's brain and literally vaccuming it's brains out then you have problems. That is a person in there. A person that has a heartbeat at 18 days old! How people can justify murder is beyond me...

I don't have any problems. I have not been indoctrinated into a religious belief and am thus not constrained by such and am capable of assessing a situation in a wholistic manner. I understand science and biology very well. People like you only think in one dimension never considering the consequences. Sad the control religion places on people.

BS, you can justify anything with that kind of thinking. Plus science has nothing to do with it. Science cannot assign value to anything, including humans. It can however, explain how the stomach operates, etc. Why can't you make normal responses like everyone else on here.

What values? :S

It can't explain them, it can see them. Apes are a good indicator.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: mchammer
BS, you can justify anything with that kind of thinking. Plus science has nothing to do with it. Science cannot assign value to anything, including humans. It can however, explain how the stomach operates, etc. Why can't you make normal responses like everyone else on here.

Normal responses? I guess I am capable of thinking outside the box, or womb in this case.

 

[mchammer]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: mchammer

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: leegroves86
Ronstang: If you can justify sticking a needle in a baby's brain and literally vaccuming it's brains out then you have problems. That is a person in there. A person that has a heartbeat at 18 days old! How people can justify murder is beyond me...

I don't have any problems. I have not been indoctrinated into a religious belief and am thus not constrained by such and am capable of assessing a situation in a wholistic manner. I understand science and biology very well. People like you only think in one dimension never considering the consequences. Sad the control religion places on people.

BS, you can justify anything with that kind of thinking. Plus science has nothing to do with it. Science cannot assign value to anything, including humans. It can however, explain how the stomach operates, etc. Why can't you make normal responses like everyone else on here.

What values? :S

It can't explain them, it can see them. Apes are a good indicator.

Please explain further. Apes can see what?

 

[thraashman]

I do have to say that convincing someone too incompetent to raise a child to not have an abortion, but not convincing her to give it up for adoption was a fairly incompetent act itself. And no matter what anyone tries to say, a fetus is not a child yet and while I don't think abortion is the right choice most of the time, it's no one's choice but the woman's whether or not she has one.

 

[astrocase]

Originally posted by: uhohs

Originally posted by: Ronstang
This is a perfect example of why adoption is necessary at times. Nice job convincing a child to have a child. People seem to be too stupid to not get pregnant when they shouldn't be and then the moralists think they are going to be mature and smart enough to take care of a child. Your cousin is immature but she also has the kind of pressure on her that is going to guarantee she never goes anywhere in life. One mistake that could have been corrected but instead let's pile on the problems. Having those mistake babies is much more important though.....because a life is a life afterall. When are you people going to understand that making kids have kids when they screw up and get pregnant usually ends up NEGATIVELY impacting many lives. The unwanted baby usually suffers the most growing up in a broken non-traditional family. No wonder this world is going to crap.

fixed

I guess you're a fan of kids growing up in foster homes. Good for you.

 

[astrocase]

Originally posted by: sunase
Wow, the family argued her into keeping the baby when she wasn't ready for one and now they won't help take care of it. Oo

QFT

Didn't even pick up on that before. That's a tragic way to look at it.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: astrocase

Originally posted by: sunase
Wow, the family argued her into keeping the baby when she wasn't ready for one and now they won't help take care of it. Oo

QFT

Didn't even pick up on that before. That's a tragic way to look at it.

That is one of my biggest peeves with pro-lifers....they want to force their opinion and choices on everyone else yet don't want to help in the responsibility that follows. How many would be pro-lifers if all who voted for it were assigned a number and when money was needed to care for all the unwanted babies they would recieve a bill for their share of the costs?

 

[astrocase]

Originally posted by: leegroves86
Ronstang: If you can justify sticking a needle in a baby's brain and literally vaccuming it's brains out then you have problems. That is a person in there. A person that has a heartbeat at 18 days old! How people can justify murder is beyond me...

Can someone explain to me why bible thumpers are the only ones that believe this?

I wanna see an 18 day old fetus live outside the womb. I'm no fan of people having abortions really late (although support it given certain circumstances), but at 18 days or something like 6 weeks I can't believe anyone would have a problem with it.

I've had friends and family members get abortions. It's not easy. It's terrible. It has to be done though since it's the lesser of two terrible decisions. If this mother goes ahead and hurts her baby or hurts herself then we'll see how people feel about abortion when it's too late.

 

[rezinn]

Sounds to me like it was handled correctly.

 

[mchammer]

Originally posted by: astrocase

Originally posted by: leegroves86
Ronstang: If you can justify sticking a needle in a baby's brain and literally vaccuming it's brains out then you have problems. That is a person in there. A person that has a heartbeat at 18 days old! How people can justify murder is beyond me...

Can someone explain to me why bible thumpers are the only ones that believe this?

I wanna see an 18 day old fetus live outside the womb. I'm no fan of people having abortions really late (although support it given certain circumstances), but at 18 days or something like 6 weeks I can't believe anyone would have a problem with it.

I've had friends and family members get abortions. It's not easy. It's terrible. It has to be done though since it's the lesser of two terrible decisions. If this mother goes ahead and hurts her baby or hurts herself then we'll see how people feel about abortion when it's too late.

 

[astrocase]

It's actually quite easy to understand if you want to.

 

[mchammer]

Originally posted by: astrocase
It's actually quite easy to understand if you want to.

OK... :listening;

 

[astrocase]

Just re-read the post.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: astrocase
Just re-read the post.

You have to realize that the religious thinkers would rather destroy many current lives to save one possible life.....remember a fetus can't survive on it's own until very late in pregnancy and many women never carry to term. In fact many women have a "hard" period and are passing a dead mass of cells that would grow into a baby yet they never knew they were pregnant. They don't understand by choice.

 

[mchammer]

Originally posted by: mchammer

Originally posted by: astrocase
It's actually quite easy to understand if you want to.

OK... :listening;

All I am saying is that if they thought it was "not easy" and it was "terrible", that to a certain degree they "have a problem with it."

 

[mchammer]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: astrocase
Just re-read the post.

You have to realize that the religious thinkers would rather destroy many current lives to save one possible life.....remember a fetus can't survive on it's own until very late in pregnancy and many women never carry to term. In fact many women have a "hard" period and are passing a dead mass of cells that would grow into a baby yet they never knew they were pregnant. They don't understand by choice.

Stop with this blatent hyperbole. This issue is very complicated and your post are not shedding any light on the situation but rather are quite judgemental.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: mchammer

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: astrocase
Just re-read the post.

You have to realize that the religious thinkers would rather destroy many current lives to save one possible life.....remember a fetus can't survive on it's own until very late in pregnancy and many women never carry to term. In fact many women have a "hard" period and are passing a dead mass of cells that would grow into a baby yet they never knew they were pregnant. They don't understand by choice.

Stop with this blatent hyperbole. This issue is very complicated and your post are not shedding any light on the situation but rather are quite judgemental.

Whatever you say skippy. It is the truth you won't face. Stop being so defensive.

 

[astrocase]

Let's not get crazy here. Obviously an abortion isn't a walk in the park. However the alternative is worse.