"You gotta love people spreading BS. From salon.com too."
Sorry to disappoint you with the truth. What else do you want to hear about. Bush was arrested at Yale for theft and vandalism. Then there's also his arrest for DUI that he denied happened even after paying the fine. He violated SEC rules on four different occaisions by selling stock in a company after he had signed a sworn affadavit to refrain from doing so for six months. I just don't understand why so many people want to defend this liar. These are just a few of the publicly available accounts of what this president had done years before taking office. Old habits are hard to break though, so now he lies to Congress and the American people to justify attacking another country. He should resign and get pardoned by Cheney to avoid impeachment. I won't even talk about where they should all go.
Sorry to disappoint you with the truth. What else do you want to hear about. Bush was arrested at Yale for theft and vandalism. Then there's also his arrest for DUI that he denied happened even after paying the fine. He violated SEC rules on four different occaisions by selling stock in a company after he had signed a sworn affadavit to refrain from doing so for six months. I just don't understand why so many people want to defend this liar. These are just a few of the publicly available accounts of what this president had done years before taking office. Old habits are hard to break though, so now he lies to Congress and the American people to justify attacking another country. He should resign and get pardoned by Cheney to avoid impeachment. I won't even talk about where they should all go.
Fine, then post an article about one of those. Don't go around posting articles that are proven false. That's the whole reason JoeBad is getting flamed.
"Don't go around posting articles that are proven false"
I haven't posted anything that was proven false. Google for yourself about anything I stated and find out for yourself.
I haven't posted anything that was proven false. Google for yourself about anything I stated and find out for yourself.
Siddhartha
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Funny that the only thing in the original post that is not true is the bit about Clinton being a felon but all th lefties ignore the rest.
Read the whole article on Snopes....very telling. Shows he had a pattern of lying and spinning 1/2 truths very early in his life.
Here's a good paragraph...
That Bill Clinton went to great lengths to avoid the Vietnam-era draft, that he used political connections to obtain special favors, and that he made promises and commitments which he later failed to honor, are all beyond dispute. However, the timeline quoted above jumps the tracks when it labels Clinton a "felon," because none of his actions, no matter how unethical or morally reprehensible, were illegal. When Clinton agreed in July of 1969 to enter the advanced ROTC program at the University of Arkansas, his draft board rescinded his induction notice and reclassified him with a reservist's deferment. That he later changed his mind in October 1969 and opted to forego the ROTC program and be reclassified 1-A did not constitute a "failure to report" or make him "AWOL," because he was not due to begin ROTC training until the summer of 1970, and he had the ROTC director's permission to return to England in the meanwhile. At the time of his 1-A re-classification in October 1969 the previous induction notice was no longer in effect, and he was not subsequently re-drafted.
Then of course we have the infamous "loathing" of the military letter
Read the whole article on Snopes....very telling. Shows he had a pattern of lying and spinning 1/2 truths very early in his life.
Here's a good paragraph...
That Bill Clinton went to great lengths to avoid the Vietnam-era draft, that he used political connections to obtain special favors, and that he made promises and commitments which he later failed to honor, are all beyond dispute. However, the timeline quoted above jumps the tracks when it labels Clinton a "felon," because none of his actions, no matter how unethical or morally reprehensible, were illegal. When Clinton agreed in July of 1969 to enter the advanced ROTC program at the University of Arkansas, his draft board rescinded his induction notice and reclassified him with a reservist's deferment. That he later changed his mind in October 1969 and opted to forego the ROTC program and be reclassified 1-A did not constitute a "failure to report" or make him "AWOL," because he was not due to begin ROTC training until the summer of 1970, and he had the ROTC director's permission to return to England in the meanwhile. At the time of his 1-A re-classification in October 1969 the previous induction notice was no longer in effect, and he was not subsequently re-drafted.
Then of course we have the infamous "loathing" of the military letter
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Look, Clinton is not president anymore. The only reason I can see why he is being brought up is to divert attention away from Bush's messes.
CADsortaGUY
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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Seems like atleast one of the Democratic "contenders" wants to keep his name active in the news like Edwards
Yep - guess it is us "evil" people on the right with a woody for Bill
Shinerburke is correct
CkG
Making Clinton the issue might work with Bush's core supporters but it is not going to absolve Bush from being held responsible for the economy and the war. In the 2004 election, the voter is not going to vote against Clinton's draft record or the fact he lied about an affair.
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Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Seems like atleast one of the Democratic "contenders" wants to keep his name active in the news like Edwards
Yep - guess it is us "evil" people on the right with a woody for Bill
Shinerburke is correct
CkG
Making Clinton the issue might work with Bush's core supporters but it is not going to absolve Bush from being held responsible for the economy and the war. In the 2004 election, the voter is not going to vote against Clinton's draft record or the fact he lied about an affair.
Tell me again how Bush, or any President, has anything to do with the economy. As for the war....Bush gets all the credit and the American people realize it was a job that needed to be done and was well done.
Well you quoted an article from salon.com saying Bush was arrested for cocaine use which has no evidence. I guess if you want to believe a science fiction writer who is apparently a convicted felon (he hired a hitman to kill his employer cuz his employer found out Hatfield had been embezzling a bit of cash) then go ahead.
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Since you conservatives are so obsessed with Clinton, I thought I would recommend a book that analyze the complete presidency of Bill Clinton. It's very well researched, and comes from first hand experience of renowned journalist Joe Klein who wrote the satire of Clinton, "Primary Colors".
The Natural: The Misunderstood presidency of Clinton
Very good book, very fair and balanced in the analysis of his presidency. Cheers. :beer:
The Natural: The Misunderstood presidency of Clinton
Very good book, very fair and balanced in the analysis of his presidency. Cheers. :beer:
Ya know, the thing is, I am not a right wing nut. I believe in those things that I think will be best for my children and my possible retirement in 10 years or so.
I lean toward the republicans but I realize that they are many times jerks. Oh-but so are the democrates!
BUT - So, so many of you on this board are so friggin' naive and/or ignorant that you take the crap that you learned in high school or college and think that this is the whole truth. You will wake up some day.
Political parties take extremes because they can get good money that way. What makes you think that your snot nose little opinions make a damn bit of difference in this wonderful country or the rest of the world. The day you sit down at a $1,000 a plate dinner, your opinion becomes to matter. Otherwise you're blowing smoke. Sorry to pop the balloon.
But to those of you who discredit this country, tell me - who would you rather be dominant?
North Korea, France, Poland, China, Australia (my personal choice besides the UK if not the US - maybe an English speaking preferrence but I think more just a damn good people preference), Brazil, whatever.
Anyway, the point is the US (and its people) are not trying to build an empire. We, and I think Bush (and Clinton between BJs
) want us to prosper and lead the rest of the world to prosperity (sp). - And, you flaming idiots on this board who don't think this country is not the finest dominent (again (sp) tired and drunk) power that has ever been in such position in the history of the world should revisit your text books.
yes, I didn't like Clinton. I feel better about Bush. History will tell-maybe I'm wrong. But Fvck you people if you don't think this is the best country and government that man has yet devised.
That's my Amen - gotta get to bed. I work
I lean toward the republicans but I realize that they are many times jerks. Oh-but so are the democrates!
BUT - So, so many of you on this board are so friggin' naive and/or ignorant that you take the crap that you learned in high school or college and think that this is the whole truth. You will wake up some day.
Political parties take extremes because they can get good money that way. What makes you think that your snot nose little opinions make a damn bit of difference in this wonderful country or the rest of the world. The day you sit down at a $1,000 a plate dinner, your opinion becomes to matter. Otherwise you're blowing smoke. Sorry to pop the balloon.
But to those of you who discredit this country, tell me - who would you rather be dominant?
North Korea, France, Poland, China, Australia (my personal choice besides the UK if not the US - maybe an English speaking preferrence but I think more just a damn good people preference), Brazil, whatever.
Anyway, the point is the US (and its people) are not trying to build an empire. We, and I think Bush (and Clinton between BJs
) want us to prosper and lead the rest of the world to prosperity (sp). - And, you flaming idiots on this board who don't think this country is not the finest dominent (again (sp) tired and drunk) power that has ever been in such position in the history of the world should revisit your text books.yes, I didn't like Clinton. I feel better about Bush. History will tell-maybe I'm wrong. But Fvck you people if you don't think this is the best country and government that man has yet devised.
That's my Amen - gotta get to bed. I work
Siddhartha
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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Seems like atleast one of the Democratic "contenders" wants to keep his name active in the news like Edwards
Yep - guess it is us "evil" people on the right with a woody for Bill
Shinerburke is correct
CkG
Making Clinton the issue might work with Bush's core supporters but it is not going to absolve Bush from being held responsible for the economy and the war. In the 2004 election, the voter is not going to vote against Clinton's draft record or the fact he lied about an affair.
Tell me again how Bush, or any President, has anything to do with the economy. As for the war....Bush gets all the credit and the American people realize it was a job that needed to be done and was well done.
The sitting president is held responsible for the state of the nation. Ask George Bush Sr.
GWB justified the Iraq invasion by saying that Iraq represented a threat, via WMD and because it supported terrorism, to the US. So far it looks like he stretched the truth concerning how dangerous Iraq was.
In the next election, is the voter going vote on the economy and the G.I.s being killed daily in Iraq or Clinton's draft record and the fact he lied about an affair?
Originally posted by: JoeBaD
Ya know, the thing is, I am not a right wing nut. I believe in those things that I think will be best for my children and my possible retirement in 10 years or so.
I lean toward the republicans but I realize that they are many times jerks. Oh-but so are the democrates!
BUT - So, so many of you on this board are so friggin' naive and/or ignorant that you take the crap that you learned in high school or college and think that this is the whole truth. You will wake up some day.
Political parties take extremes because they can get good money that way. What makes you think that your snot nose little opinions make a damn bit of difference in this wonderful country or the rest of the world. The day you sit down at a $1,000 a plate dinner, your opinion becomes to matter. Otherwise you're blowing smoke. Sorry to pop the balloon.
But to those of you who discredit this country, tell me - who would you rather be dominant?
North Korea, France, Poland, China, Australia (my personal choice besides the UK if not the US - maybe an English speaking preferrence but I think more just a damn good people preference), Brazil, whatever.
Anyway, the point is the US (and its people) are not trying to build an empire. We, and I think Bush (and Clinton between BJs
yes, I didn't like Clinton. I feel better about Bush. History will tell-maybe I'm wrong. But Fvck you people if you don't think this is the best country and government that man has yet devised.
That's my Amen - gotta get to bed. I work
As opposed to reading something on the internet and assuming it's the truth?
And what does the rest of your post have to do with the topic?
I don't recall any America bashing in this thread - perhaps I missed something.
We are all very proud of you for having a job. Perhaps if the wealthy friends of your beloved President hadn't ransacked our economy, the rest of us might have jobs, too.
Originally posted by: JoeBaD
Ya know, the thing is, I am not a right wing nut. I believe in those things that I think will be best for my children and my possible retirement in 10 years or so.
I lean toward the republicans but I realize that they are many times jerks. Oh-but so are the democrates!
BUT - So, so many of you on this board are so friggin' naive and/or ignorant that you take the crap that you learned in high school or college and think that this is the whole truth. You will wake up some day.
Political parties take extremes because they can get good money that way. What makes you think that your snot nose little opinions make a damn bit of difference in this wonderful country or the rest of the world. The day you sit down at a $1,000 a plate dinner, your opinion becomes to matter. Otherwise you're blowing smoke. Sorry to pop the balloon.
But to those of you who discredit this country, tell me - who would you rather be dominant?
North Korea, France, Poland, China, Australia (my personal choice besides the UK if not the US - maybe an English speaking preferrence but I think more just a damn good people preference), Brazil, whatever.
Anyway, the point is the US (and its people) are not trying to build an empire. We, and I think Bush (and Clinton between BJs
yes, I didn't like Clinton. I feel better about Bush. History will tell-maybe I'm wrong. But Fvck you people if you don't think this is the best country and government that man has yet devised.
That's my Amen - gotta get to bed. I work
Good gawd man, you came back for more?! Wow, that takes some real balls. Okay Einstein, maybe if you don't like living in a country that allows criticism of its own government, you should go live somewhere else. I hear North Korea's real down on that whole talking smack about the supreme leader thing. That should work out pretty well for ya...
shinerburke - <<Tell me again how Bush, or any President, has anything to do with the economy. As for the war....Bush gets all the credit and the American people realize it was a job that needed to be done and was well done.>>
But what's your opinion on whether or our leaders were 100% honest with us? Do you even care?
And JoeBaD,*hic* your last post is hilarious. *hic*I think you should drink and post some more. *hic*
But what's your opinion on whether or our leaders were 100% honest with us? Do you even care?
And JoeBaD,*hic* your last post is hilarious. *hic*I think you should drink and post some more. *hic*
"Anyway, the point is the US (and its people) are not trying to build an empire."
How many years was that guy from South Carolina in Office??? Not trying to build an Empire because there is already an Empire.
How many years was that guy from South Carolina in Office??? Not trying to build an Empire because there is already an Empire.
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