A "Liberal Media" challange

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The OP asked simply for a story providing evidence of liberal bias, and the collective intelligence of all the NYT detractors on this forum couldn't provide even one credible link.

Interesting.

ummm glenn provide evidence right from the NY Times itself in which their own public editor admits to the papers bias.

Beyond that liberal or conservative bias is an opinion and thus is hard to prove factually.
It is the same with Fox News. Your ?proof? of their right wing view looks like good journalism to someone on the right.

Yeah, except he really didn't. He provided a link to some guy SAYING the NYT has a liberal bias, but finding people willing to say that is hardly difficult. What the OP is asking for is proof beyond people just repeating the charge over and over...I don't think the link provided a lot of new evidence, it was just one more guy claiming the existence of liberal bias with nothing to back up his argument.

 

[glenn1]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The OP asked simply for a story providing evidence of liberal bias, and the collective intelligence of all the NYT detractors on this forum couldn't provide even one credible link.

Interesting.

ummm glenn provide evidence right from the NY Times itself in which their own public editor admits to the papers bias.

Beyond that liberal or conservative bias is an opinion and thus is hard to prove factually.
It is the same with Fox News. Your ?proof? of their right wing view looks like good journalism to someone on the right.

Yeah, except he really didn't. He provided a link to some guy SAYING the NYT has a liberal bias, but finding people willing to say that is hardly difficult. What the OP is asking for is proof beyond people just repeating the charge over and over...I don't think the link provided a lot of new evidence, it was just one more guy claiming the existence of liberal bias with nothing to back up his argument.

I yield to your superior argument then - the NY Times is completely free of bias of any kind.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The OP asked simply for a story providing evidence of liberal bias, and the collective intelligence of all the NYT detractors on this forum couldn't provide even one credible link.

Interesting.

ummm glenn provide evidence right from the NY Times itself in which their own public editor admits to the papers bias.

Beyond that liberal or conservative bias is an opinion and thus is hard to prove factually.
It is the same with Fox News. Your ?proof? of their right wing view looks like good journalism to someone on the right.

Yeah, except he really didn't. He provided a link to some guy SAYING the NYT has a liberal bias, but finding people willing to say that is hardly difficult. What the OP is asking for is proof beyond people just repeating the charge over and over...I don't think the link provided a lot of new evidence, it was just one more guy claiming the existence of liberal bias with nothing to back up his argument.

Bias is based on personal opinion and views.

To Craig every news paper in the country is right wing and to Pabster every one is left wing.

Finding an article that ?proves? a liberal bias is not possible if you are to the left yourself.
Ask the OP to find ?proof? that Fox news is conservative and see what he can come up with.

 

[Eeezee]

The problem with this thread is that people who claim a "liberal bias" in the media are often several things

1) Conservative
2) Retarded (as a direct result of point 1)
3) Incapable of rational thought (see 1 and 2)

After the first page I gave up. I was really curious to see if anyone would come up with something, but everyone went back to the same old "Well it's obvious, I don't need to prove anything!" That's the most irrational response available.

I'm not even saying the NYT is fair and balanced - I don't read it, so I don't know. I do believe that the burden of proof should fall upon the accusers (innocent until proven guilty). And I find it hilarious when the accusers can't even come up with one example when the NYT is supposedly RAMPANT with a liberal bis.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The OP asked simply for a story providing evidence of liberal bias, and the collective intelligence of all the NYT detractors on this forum couldn't provide even one credible link.

Interesting.

ummm glenn provide evidence right from the NY Times itself in which their own public editor admits to the papers bias.

Beyond that liberal or conservative bias is an opinion and thus is hard to prove factually.
It is the same with Fox News. Your ?proof? of their right wing view looks like good journalism to someone on the right.

Yeah, except he really didn't. He provided a link to some guy SAYING the NYT has a liberal bias, but finding people willing to say that is hardly difficult. What the OP is asking for is proof beyond people just repeating the charge over and over...I don't think the link provided a lot of new evidence, it was just one more guy claiming the existence of liberal bias with nothing to back up his argument.

Bias is based on personal opinion and views.

To Craig every news paper in the country is right wing and to Pabster every one is left wing.

Finding an article that ?proves? a liberal bias is not possible if you are to the left yourself.
Ask the OP to find ?proof? that Fox news is conservative and see what he can come up with.

See Outfoxed for "proof" that Fox News is conservative. That movie certainly provides enough of it. Done

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
The problem with this thread is that people who claim a "liberal bias" in the media are often several things

1) Conservative
2) Retarded (as a direct result of point 1)
3) Incapable of rational thought (see 1 and 2)

After the first page I gave up. I was really curious to see if anyone would come up with something, but everyone went back to the same old "Well it's obvious, I don't need to prove anything!" That's the most irrational response available.

I'm not even saying the NYT is fair and balanced - I don't read it, so I don't know. I do believe that the burden of proof should fall upon the accusers (innocent until proven guilty). And I find it hilarious when the accusers can't even come up with one example when the NYT is supposedly RAMPANT with a liberal bis.

Yes, conservatives are clearly retarded and incapable of rational thought, I'm glad we got an unbiased opinion from you....:roll:

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The OP asked simply for a story providing evidence of liberal bias, and the collective intelligence of all the NYT detractors on this forum couldn't provide even one credible link.

Interesting.

ummm glenn provide evidence right from the NY Times itself in which their own public editor admits to the papers bias.

Beyond that liberal or conservative bias is an opinion and thus is hard to prove factually.
It is the same with Fox News. Your ?proof? of their right wing view looks like good journalism to someone on the right.

Yeah, except he really didn't. He provided a link to some guy SAYING the NYT has a liberal bias, but finding people willing to say that is hardly difficult. What the OP is asking for is proof beyond people just repeating the charge over and over...I don't think the link provided a lot of new evidence, it was just one more guy claiming the existence of liberal bias with nothing to back up his argument.

Bias is based on personal opinion and views.

To Craig every news paper in the country is right wing and to Pabster every one is left wing.

Finding an article that ?proves? a liberal bias is not possible if you are to the left yourself.
Ask the OP to find ?proof? that Fox news is conservative and see what he can come up with.

See Outfoxed for "proof" that Fox News is conservative. That movie certainly provides enough of it. Done

That's like telling someone to talk to Michael Moore about 9-11....

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Farang
Umm.... http://www.heraldtribune.com/a...581/1011/news&tc=yahoo ?

(not using NY Times link because it requires registration)

What is factually inaccurate about that article? Remember, negative doesn't mean biased.

As to why the NYT sat on the story so long....

http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp..._content_id=1003713474

The rumors last December had died down after other reports suggested that that McCain and the unnamed woman had hired Washington lawyer/fixer Bob Bennett to strong arm the Times. Howard Kurtz of The Washington Post reported then that Bennett had dealt with specific issues raised in the reporting. Whatever went down, the story never ran. Until tonight.

The relationship from back in 2000 is part of a much longer story on McCain's ethic that carries multiple bylines: Jim Rutenberg, Marilyn Thompson, David Kirkpatrick and Stephen Labaton. Both McCain and the woman deny the reports, so it is interesting what changed to make the paper carry the story, quite prominently, now, at www.nytimes.com.

The Times story on Wednesday night reveals: "Mr. McCain said that the relationship was not romantic and that he never showed favoritism to Ms. Iseman or her clients. 'I have never betrayed the public trust by doing anything like that,' he said. He made the statements in a call to Bill Keller, the executive editor of The New York Times, to complain about the paper?s inquiries.

"The senator declined repeated interview requests, beginning in December." The McCain campaign, in response to the story running, now says the Times is engaging in a "hit and run smear." But while it denied McCain had "never violated the public trust, never done favors for special interests or lobbyists," it did not specifically deny a romantic affair.

More about the backstory behind the story:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08053/859581-176.stm

Allegations about Sen. John McCain's relationship with lobbyist Vicki Iseman have resurrected questions over his role in WQED Pittsburgh's controversial, but ultimately unsuccessful, efforts to sell its sister television station WQEX-16 in the 1990s.

The proposed three-way deal involved a license swap between Ms. Iseman's client, Paxson Communications Corp., and Christian broadcaster Cornerstone TeleVision of Wall, which operated WPCB Channel 40.

The transaction called for Channel 40 to assume the noncommercial license of Channel 16 and sell its own commercial license to Paxson for $35 million, split between Cornerstone and cash-strapped WQED. Paxson would gain entry into the Pittsburgh market and Cornerstone would move to Channel 16.

In late 1999, Mr. McCain, R-Ariz., then chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee and a presidential candidate, wrote two letters to the Federal Communications Commission urging a vote on the sale to Paxson.

As he said at the time, Mr. McCain said again yesterday that he wrote the letters because the commission was taking twice the usual time to review ownership. He said he wrote, not to influence the commissioners' decision, but to tell them to "go forward."

At the time of the Pittsburgh negotiations, Paxson Chairman Lowell Paxson and his associates had contributed almost $16,000 to Mr. McCain's campaign, and the senator had the use of the Paxson corporate jet.

George Miles, president of WQED Multimedia, said yesterday that he had met Ms. Iseman, and that she lobbied hard on WQED's behalf.

"We worked with Bud Paxson, and she worked for him. She helped us with the lobbying to try to get Channel 16 converted [to a commercial license]," Mr. Miles said.

"McCain was really a big friend of ours in this," Mr. Miles said. "Finally, through the good graces of Sen. McCain and his letter, we ended up getting a 'yes.' "

The shear fact that they endorsed McCain, proping him up, sat on the 8yo story, then once nomination was all but in hand run the story. That is not an accident. The story is just that, a story about peoples opinions of their relationship. They NEVER saw anything. They didn't like the way it felt? That is not a fact that is a feeling. This is a story built on opinions not facts.

Please tell me I'm wrong.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The OP asked simply for a story providing evidence of liberal bias, and the collective intelligence of all the NYT detractors on this forum couldn't provide even one credible link.

Interesting.

ummm glenn provide evidence right from the NY Times itself in which their own public editor admits to the papers bias.

Beyond that liberal or conservative bias is an opinion and thus is hard to prove factually.
It is the same with Fox News. Your ?proof? of their right wing view looks like good journalism to someone on the right.

Yeah, except he really didn't. He provided a link to some guy SAYING the NYT has a liberal bias, but finding people willing to say that is hardly difficult. What the OP is asking for is proof beyond people just repeating the charge over and over...I don't think the link provided a lot of new evidence, it was just one more guy claiming the existence of liberal bias with nothing to back up his argument.

Bias is based on personal opinion and views.

To Craig every news paper in the country is right wing and to Pabster every one is left wing.

Finding an article that ?proves? a liberal bias is not possible if you are to the left yourself.
Ask the OP to find ?proof? that Fox news is conservative and see what he can come up with.

See Outfoxed for "proof" that Fox News is conservative. That movie certainly provides enough of it. Done

That's like telling someone to talk to Michael Moore about 9-11....

Like always, JD50, you spout opinion and have nothing to back it up with. No facts at all.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The OP asked simply for a story providing evidence of liberal bias, and the collective intelligence of all the NYT detractors on this forum couldn't provide even one credible link.

Interesting.

ummm glenn provide evidence right from the NY Times itself in which their own public editor admits to the papers bias.

Beyond that liberal or conservative bias is an opinion and thus is hard to prove factually.
It is the same with Fox News. Your ?proof? of their right wing view looks like good journalism to someone on the right.

Yeah, except he really didn't. He provided a link to some guy SAYING the NYT has a liberal bias, but finding people willing to say that is hardly difficult. What the OP is asking for is proof beyond people just repeating the charge over and over...I don't think the link provided a lot of new evidence, it was just one more guy claiming the existence of liberal bias with nothing to back up his argument.

Bias is based on personal opinion and views.

To Craig every news paper in the country is right wing and to Pabster every one is left wing.

Finding an article that ?proves? a liberal bias is not possible if you are to the left yourself.
Ask the OP to find ?proof? that Fox news is conservative and see what he can come up with.

PJ, you need to stop putting words in my mouth, as you pretty much always get it wrong.

And you are spouting nonsense with your 'two equal sides' claims. Ya, there are those who think the world is flat and those don't - they're not equally well informed.

Don't compare my posts to Pabsters, it's insulting and worse, dishonest. IJust stick to posting your own views, and ignoring when they get easily disproven.

 

[kage69]

Craig, I had no idea you were into the domination scene. :laugh: Good luck getting your boot back out of PJ's ass.

See Outfoxed for "proof" that Fox News is conservative. That movie certainly provides enough of it.

Not exactly - Outfoxed provides ample proof that Fox is neither fair nor balanced, as well as touching on some other sensitive aspects concerning NewsCorp. No one denies that Fox is conservative.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The OP asked simply for a story providing evidence of liberal bias, and the collective intelligence of all the NYT detractors on this forum couldn't provide even one credible link.

Interesting.

ummm glenn provide evidence right from the NY Times itself in which their own public editor admits to the papers bias.

Beyond that liberal or conservative bias is an opinion and thus is hard to prove factually.
It is the same with Fox News. Your ?proof? of their right wing view looks like good journalism to someone on the right.

Yeah, except he really didn't. He provided a link to some guy SAYING the NYT has a liberal bias, but finding people willing to say that is hardly difficult. What the OP is asking for is proof beyond people just repeating the charge over and over...I don't think the link provided a lot of new evidence, it was just one more guy claiming the existence of liberal bias with nothing to back up his argument.

Bias is based on personal opinion and views.

To Craig every news paper in the country is right wing and to Pabster every one is left wing.

Finding an article that ?proves? a liberal bias is not possible if you are to the left yourself.
Ask the OP to find ?proof? that Fox news is conservative and see what he can come up with.

See Outfoxed for "proof" that Fox News is conservative. That movie certainly provides enough of it. Done

That's like telling someone to talk to Michael Moore about 9-11....

Like always, JD50, you spout opinion and have nothing to back it up with. No facts at all.

Like always, Craig, you come off as an arrogant prick.