There was a big push by societal engineers for something called "social promotion" in schools. Basically it means if someone tries hard enough, irregardless of the outcome that person gets a good grade. Another term is "outcome based education". I think it was intended to artificially raise scholastic test results to make it look like our kids were doing better than they really were, among other things.
even if it happened, it would prove nothing because her decision was made on superficial evidence.
she and her friend both graduate, she with the 4.0 and her friend with the 2.0. she gets a decent job, her friend gets a better job with an associate of one of the people who she used to always party with.
oops. does she regret not having partied??
the illustration as originally posted totally ignores the fact that there may be other values involved here. that grades alone aren't the only judge of success. that gpa is not the only reward one receives form the college experience.
as i posted earlier, it's an oversimplification and as such doesn't really hold any interesting truth. only that people make decisions on stupid and superficial facts / ideas.
It's difficult to find ones simple enough for the liberals to understand.
I can sit here and sling it with the best. It doesn't do any good but hey if that's all you can do I'll be happy to keep you amused for awhile.
LeeTJ
That's a good observation of a possible outcome but the story was of course geared to definate rewards of working towards a goal and whether someone that has not worked as hard should be rewarded the same.
Of course it proves nothing, its not meant to 'prove' anything. Its an allegory, of sorts. Allegories don't "prove" anything, they convey a message or symbolism.
That is irrelevant, for reasons I will explain below, but I will say the only people you find espousing the cliche "Its not what you know, its who you know" are nearly always people who know nothing nor anyone, and thus are expressing a 'bitter' statement lamenting their own situation. Over all, we still live in a meritocracy, by in large.
This isn't about the 'reward one receives from the college experience', whatever that means. Its not an allegory about the 'richness of college sex and drugs'. That you seem to feel it is indicates you have completely and utterly missed the point, which would explain your deluded objection to it.
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A nineteen year old was about to finish her first year of college. She considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat and her father was a rather staunch Republican. One day she was challenging her father on his beliefs and his skepticism of programs like welfare. He stopped her and asked her how she was doing in school. She answered that she had a 4.0 GPA but it was really tough. She had to study all the time, never had time to go out and party and often went sleepless because all of the studying. She didn't have time for a boyfriend and didn't really have many college friends because of all her studying. He then asked about her friend Mary attending the same college. She replied that Mary was barely getting by. She had a 2.0 GPA, never studied, was very popular on campus and was at parties all the time. She often wouldn't show up for classes because she was hung over. He then asked his daughter why she didn't go to the dean's office and ask him to take 1 point off her 4.0 GPA and give it to her friend who only had a 2.0. That way they would both have a 3.0 GPA. She fired back and said "that wouldn't be fair, I worked really hard for mine and my friend has done nothing". After a moment of silence, she replied, "I'll never vote Democrat again" Years later she saw Mary again. Mary was living in a cardboard box. Seems she had gotten married and had a few children. All was well until a drunk driver coming back from a Republican fund raiser swerved into the oncoming lane and killed Mary's family. Mary went to pieces and in spite of therapy became an alcoholic and lost her job. Her husband, who had been unemployed after the Enron debacle had no insurance and had left her without a dime. Mary lost her home, had nothing to eat in days, and her clothes were in tatters. Mary saw our girl and was about to say something, but got cut off. "Loser! You are so disgusting. How could you live like this? Damn you. You probably take handouts from the state. My tax dollars wasted on the likes of you." She turned away without looking back, determined to complain to some agency about letting people like Mary clutter the streets at taxpayer expense. She had learned her lesson well.
Post Script. Mary was so disheartened by this that she took her own life later that night
One fake story is as good as the next.
I love the fact that every thread I see you in has you resorting to name calling against those who don't agree with you (watching you try to argue the 'under god' in the pledge was hillarious). One note tho, if your going to insult people do it with some style. Your certainly no Red Dawn.
Bill
amazing, do you really know how the system works? do you know anything about putting welfare to work? Also, do you know the percentage spent for welfare compared to the defense budget in this country, it is very miniscule. Sure, some people cheat the system. But there are also a lot of honest people that I gladly give a measely percentage of my taxes to, there are a ton of more wasteful ways our tax money is spent, yet people pick out something that actually does some good to complain about. Get a life.
talk about major generalization. Being a liberal is more than advocating welfare. It's also about opening your mind.
Bill
and you only responded to one of my posts on this subject. the first post clearly indicated that i understood the point of the story but still felt it was an oversimplification. you can't make a simple comparison between a student who chose to party instead of work hard and get a 2.0 GPA to a hard working individual who lost his job due to circumstances out of his control.
Don't you realize what you're saying? You are succesful because you have a work ethic. You have a work ethic because you had(have) a good father. Thus you are successful because you had(have) a good father. What about the poor saps that don't have a good father? Are you more deserving of the standard of living that you have than they are?
Originally posted by: bsobel
And by inference then being a conservative means your close minded? I hope you can see the irony of your statement.
Bill
conservatives do tend to be close-minded. Let's not forget that most church-goers are conservatives while those in higher institutions tend to be liberal.
I'm not sure I understand the point of your story. Are you saying that all of life is only controlled by fate and our actions have nothing to do with how well a person suceeds in life? Then if that is true there is no reason to work or strive for anything because it is all out of your hands anyway.
Is that what you are trying to say?
Was it Mark Twain who said:
You don't have a heart if you're not a Democrat when you're young, and you don't have a brain if you're not a Republican when you're older.
You don't have a heart if you're not a Democrat when you're young, and you don't have a brain if you're not a Republican when you're older.
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which is why under clinton welfare got cut way back, and there was no deficit spending.
and now under majorities of republicans in all branches of government we have run away spending, tax cuts that disproportionatly benifit the rich. sounds reasonable to vote republican
and don't get started about social issues, where republicans make decisions based on religious dogma instead of reason. from gay rights, gay adoption rights, to birth control, sex ed, to abortion. conservatives are just that, they fear change, they view the past with nostolgia when things were "better" for a few groups.
and science? look at the house voting for the ban against all human cloning, all inclusive religiously motivated bullsh*t that will stifle innovation/business/advancement of medical tech. republicans were heavily against it ... of course. they spend their time trying to impose their religious views of the world on everyone. they are heavily controled by the religious right. only in terms of guns do they fight for anyones freedom to do what they want.
republicans, the compasionate taliban
and now under majorities of republicans in all branches of government we have run away spending, tax cuts that disproportionatly benifit the rich. sounds reasonable to vote republican
and don't get started about social issues, where republicans make decisions based on religious dogma instead of reason. from gay rights, gay adoption rights, to birth control, sex ed, to abortion. conservatives are just that, they fear change, they view the past with nostolgia when things were "better" for a few groups.
and science? look at the house voting for the ban against all human cloning, all inclusive religiously motivated bullsh*t that will stifle innovation/business/advancement of medical tech. republicans were heavily against it ... of course. they spend their time trying to impose their religious views of the world on everyone. they are heavily controled by the religious right. only in terms of guns do they fight for anyones freedom to do what they want.
republicans, the compasionate taliban
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: bsobel
And by inference then being a conservative means your close minded? I hope you can see the irony of your statement.
Bill
conservatives do tend to be close-minded. Let's not forget that most church-goers are conservatives while those in higher institutions tend to be liberal.
I understand now. Major generalizations are bad if they disagree with your argument. They are ok if they support it.
Bill
Originally posted by: bsobel
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: bsobel
And by inference then being a conservative means your close minded? I hope you can see the irony of your statement.
Bill
conservatives do tend to be close-minded. Let's not forget that most church-goers are conservatives while those in higher institutions tend to be liberal.
I understand now. Major generalizations are bad if they disagree with your argument. They are ok if they support it.
Bill
I may be generalizing, which is not a good thing, but correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe I should've added "mostly" before "close-minded" and "liberal."
Only a true fool would believe that he has TOTAL control over his future. We strive we work but often times Fate has as much to do with where we end up as how hard we work.
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