A Liberal Changes her ways

[dahunan]

A nineteen year old was about to finish her first year of college. She considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat and her father was a rather staunch Republican.

One day she was challenging her father on his beliefs and his skepticism of programs like welfare. He stopped her and asked her how she was doing in school. She answered that she had a 4.0 GPA but it was really tough. She had to study all the time, never had time to go out and party and often went sleepless because all of the studying. She didn't have time for a boyfriend and didn't really have many college friends because of all her studying.

He then asked about her friend Mary attending the same college. She replied that Mary was barely getting by. She had a 2.0 GPA, never studied, was very popular on campus and was at parties all the time. She often wouldn't show up for classes because she was hung over.

He then asked his daughter why she didn't go to the dean's office and ask him to take 1 point off her 4.0 GPA and give it to her friend who only had a 2.0. That way they would both have a 3.0 GPA.

She fired back and said "that wouldn't be fair, I worked really hard for mine and my friend has done nothing".

After a moment of silence, she replied, "I'll never vote Democrat again".



(this was borrowed from another website..)

 

[notfred]

It's also very obviously fabricated.

 

[etech]

So were the parables in the Bible, your point is?

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: etech
So were the parables in the Bible, your point is?

my point is that it never happened.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: notfred
It's also very obviously fabricated.

Let me look for something...

Oh yes, I found it.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: notfred
It's also very obviously fabricated.

And that makes it less true of an example how????

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: notfred
It's also very obviously fabricated.

And that makes it less true of an example how????

Gee, I dunno

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: notfred
It's also very obviously fabricated.

And that makes it less true of an example how????

Gee, I dunno

Oh I know....it's because it goes against your views.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: notfred
It's also very obviously fabricated.

And that makes it less true of an example how????

Gee, I dunno

Oh I know....it's because it goes against your views.

What view of mine is that? The one that says "if a story never happened, it's 'less true' than if it had actually happened"?

Apparently you have the more correct view, in that any story is true as long as you agree with it, regardless of whether or not it actually happened, right?

 

[classy]

*Yawn*

 

[etech]

Does the story present a viewpoint that has truth to it?

It seems that is what you wish to ignore.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: notfred
It's also very obviously fabricated.

And that makes it less true of an example how????

Gee, I dunno

Oh I know....it's because it goes against your views.

What view of mine is that? The one that says "if a story never happened, it's 'less true' than if it had actually happened"?

Apparently you have the more correct view, in that any story is true as long as you agree with it, regardless of whether or not it actually happened, right?

Did the original poster make a statement saying it was a true story? No. Would you be happier with it if it began "Priest, a Rabbi, and a duck walk into a bar."

It's a type of life lesson parable. Jeez......

 

[JellyBaby]

Wow two political threads so far and no substance whatsoever in them just personal attacks. And I'm seeing some of the name names over and over again.

 

[BigJelly]

The point is about taxes:
The lazy bums get welfare and do nothing to earn it and the people who work hard pay their taxes and that goes to the bums. Thats the reason of the story. It points out the stupidity of the welfare system--people live off it their whole life.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: BigJelly
The point is about taxes:
The lazy bums get welfare and do nothing to earn it and the people who work hard pay their taxes and that goes to the bums. Thats the reason of the story. It points out the stupidity of the welfare system--people live off it their whole life.

Shhhhh....don't try and confuse them with the facts.

 

[michaelh20]

Pray that you aren't that "lazy bum" one day ......

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: etech
Does the story present a viewpoint that has truth to it?

It seems that is what you wish to ignore.

I made no judgement about the viewpoint expressed in the story at all. I simply think it's a stupid story. Here, let me make up a similar one:

A nineteen year old was about to finish an art peice in photshop. She considered herself to be a very loyal macintosh user, and her father was a loyal PC user.

One day she was challenging her father on his beliefs and his skepticism of the apple platform. He stopped her and asked when the last time she played counterstrike on her mac was. She answered that she had never played counterstrike on her mac. Half-life was never offered for the mac, and so they were never able to release mods for it on the mac.

He then asked about her friend Mary who used a PC to play counterstrike. She replied that Mary had a lot of fun playing counterstrike, and that she enjoyed pretending to shoot people over the internet.

He then asked his daughter why she didn't trade in her mac for a PC and be able to have fun playing counterstrike.

She fired back and said "But then I couldn't make my artwork in photoshop!".

After a moment of silence, she replied, "I'll never use a mac again".

And because of the incredibly deep story I wrote, all that read it will be moved to reexamine thier lives, and none shall ever use a mac again

The story was stupid. It presented an extremely obvious point on a very superficial level. Pretending that it was an actual conversation jsut makes it stupider, in my opinion.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: etech
Does the story present a viewpoint that has truth to it?

It seems that is what you wish to ignore.

I made no judgement about the viewpoint expressed in the story at all. I simply think it's a stupid story. Here, let me make up a similar one:

A nineteen year old was about to finish an art peice in photshop. She considered herself to be a very loyal macintosh user, and her father was a loyal PC user.

One day she was challenging her father on his beliefs and his skepticism of the apple platform. He stopped her and asked when the last time she played counterstrike on her mac was. She answered that she had never played counterstrike on her mac. Half-life was never offered for the mac, and so they were never able to release mods for it on the mac.

He then asked about her friend Mary who used a PC to play counterstrike. She replied that Mary had a lot of fun playing counterstrike, and that she enjoyed pretending to shoot people over the internet.

He then asked his daughter why she didn't trade in her mac for a PC and be able to have fun playing counterstrike.

She fired back and said "But then I couldn't make my artwork in photoshop!".

After a moment of silence, she replied, "I'll never use a mac again".

And because of the incredibly deep story I wrote, all that read it will be moved to reexamine thier lives, and none shall ever use a mac again

The story was stupid. It presented an extremely obvious point on a very superficial level. Pretending that it was an actual conversation jsut makes it stupider, in my opinion.

Hey...I think the stick up your ass has a stick in it's sticks ass.

 

[BigJelly]

Originally posted by: michaelh20
Pray that you aren't that "lazy bum" one day ......

Dont need to pray just need to do what i do--work hard. Unlike most of society i have a work ethic--thanks to my dad.

 

[Gnurb]

why she didn't go to the dean's office and ask him to take 1 point off her 4.0 GPA and give it to her friend

what sort of school allows socialized grades anyway? maybe i should transfer there...

 

[LeeTJ]

anyone can make a parable fit his worldview. it doesn't mean anything.

it doesn't clarify anything. no one in their right mind would compare a partying student who is barely passing, to that guy that worked hard but got laid off.

oversimplification like that does the situation no justice because it nowhere near approximates truth. it only preaches to the choir and infuriates opponents because it purports to show and eternal truth when all it does is simplifies the problem.

having studied economics for 5 years, i can say on an idealistic level, i'm a laissez faire, free market, let the markets dictate kinda guy BUT on a political level, those answers don't always work. Most of you are too young to remember the depression (actually i am too BUT) in situations like that you can preach free market, minimalize government, but that wouldn't have been the right answer.

Federal government projects and work programs helped the economy recover 10 to 15 years sooner than if they had just let the market go. can you honestly say that it wasn't worth it? how many starving people would you have to see before you decided that it was enough??

theoretically, market friction should be very minimal, in reality this isn't true. there is always market friction, as the economy changes and evolves, as our economy moves to different industries, people get hurt economically.

you could say taxes are like insurance, it's a pot we all contribute too so that if we are the ones hit with the friction we can take from that pot and it will help us to recover.

sometimes people need a helping hand.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Gnurb

why she didn't go to the dean's office and ask him to take 1 point off her 4.0 GPA and give it to her friend

what sort of school allows socialized grades anyway? maybe i should transfer there...

There's probably one in California. Try Berkeley...sounds like something they would do.

 

[tcsenter]

It's also very obviously fabricated.

Perhaps, but no less pertinent or accurate than if it actually happened.

 

[Fencer128]

Is this example (outside of the obvious am I a republican or democrat) supposed to to suggest that a welfare state is a bad idea all together, most people on welfare are lazy (and therefore sponging) or that only a minority are sponging - most are in actual need or incapable through no fault of their own?

Andy "I live in a welfare state"

 

[NesuD]

Pretending that it was an actual conversation jsut makes it stupider, in my opinion.

Umm you must have been that 2.0 gpa student right? Stupider isn not a word the proper usage should have been "more stupid"

Once again you ignore the fact that nowhere was it a asserted that such a conversation ever actually occured. It was told more in the form of an amusing story. A form that is often used to illustrate a point. You seem to be attacking it on the grounds that it was an attempt to convince us such an event actually took place when in fact it is painfully obvious that you have a serious problem the the message it is conveying. Since you cannot attack the logic of the lesson you attempt to shoot the messenger as it were. Classic liberal tactic.