A guy with 8-0 feedback on heatware ask me to

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Confused

Originally posted by: CadetLeeN
ot this again..

OK - you got me - why on earth on this forum out of everywhere else I've ever visited - do those with high feedback seem to feel the need to be able to get items without first paying for them?

You want the item - you pay for it - you then receive the item.


If you think the deal might go sour - then you don't deal with them - simple as?

It's not the need to be able to get items without first paying for it -- it's the desire to make sure that the item is actually received.

Any deal might go sour - but the chances of that happening are much better with an unestablished trader. I've seen Paypal loans on FS/T before - no guarantee of it being repaid..but there's a trust system here. Basically..this system has worked for us for years. If you don't like it, avoid FS/T. 🙂

 

[Conky]

I don't care what their reputation is... if they want my stuff they pay for it first.

 

[Sphexi]

I've shipped first in a few cases where the buyer has like 30+ heat and the item was cheap, and in other cases where the item was a little more expensive ($200) and the buyer hard at least 20 heat, I'd have them pay half first and half when it arrived. Haven't had any issues yet.

 

[Confused]

Originally posted by: CadetLee
It's not the need to be able to get items without first paying for it -- it's the desire to make sure that the item is actually received.

Any deal might go sour - but the chances of that happening are much better with an unestablished trader. I've seen Paypal loans on FS/T before - no guarantee of it being repaid..but there's a trust system here. Basically..this system has worked for us for years. If you don't like it, avoid FS/T. 🙂

As I said - if you don't like the thought that it might go sour with an unestablished trader - don't trade with them... sounds like simple logic to me.

I'm aware this has been like this here for years - I never use FS/FT here anyway because I'm in England, and most of you are Americans. It's just always made me laugh.

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
I don't care what their reputation is... if they want my stuff they pay for it first.

My point exactly.

 

[jlee]

Confused - read my PM..might explain a little more.

As I said - if you don't like the thought that it might go sour with an unestablished trader - don't trade with them... sounds like simple logic to me.

New guys wouldn't have much of a chance to become established, then - many of us wouldn't trade with them..too much of a risk. 🙂

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Confused

Originally posted by: CadetLee
It's not the need to be able to get items without first paying for it -- it's the desire to make sure that the item is actually received.

Any deal might go sour - but the chances of that happening are much better with an unestablished trader. I've seen Paypal loans on FS/T before - no guarantee of it being repaid..but there's a trust system here. Basically..this system has worked for us for years. If you don't like it, avoid FS/T. 🙂

As I said - if you don't like the thought that it might go sour with an unestablished trader - don't trade with them... sounds like simple logic to me.

I'm aware this has been like this here for years - I never use FS/FT here anyway because I'm in England, and most of you are Americans. It's just always made me laugh.

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
I don't care what their reputation is... if they want my stuff they pay for it first.

My point exactly.

you never trade here and yet you are an expert?

all the comparisons to supermarkets (where you are actually touching the merchandise and have taken possesion of it (it is in your hands) before making payment) to trading on ATOT is just plain stupid.

to even think that is any kind of analogy is pure ignorance.

hey, when i didn't have much heat, i shipped first to establish traders to accomodate the trades. i've only been scammed once.

now i have a decent amount of heat and am a reasonably well known ATer, guess what, if a newbie wants to sell me something, he is going to ship first. if he chooses not to deal with me, more power to him.

that's his choice, just like it is my choice to require he ship first.

 

[Juno]

decline his request, he has to pay first if you feel it's not right to ship him first.

 

[Maleficus]

# of heat shouldn't matter that much, I do very little online trading. I only have 2 heatware but both are positive and I would expect to be trusted :

regardless him asking you to ship first after lowballs is suspicious

* I didn't read the thread after the first response or two 🙂

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Maleficus
# of heat shouldn't matter that much, I do very little online trading. I only have 2 heatware but both are positive and I would expect to be trusted :

regardless him asking you to ship first after lowballs is suspicious

* I didn't read the thread after the first response or two 🙂

you expect to be trusted?

why?

i have 89 positive heat, is it strange the more people would trust me before they would trust you?

i have 89 recorded incidents (and i have way more trades than that, i just don't push the heat thing too much) of transactions that went thru to both parties satisfaction, you have 2 such incidents.

you ever hear of "history repeats itself".

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: CadetLee
Confused - read my PM..might explain a little more.

As I said - if you don't like the thought that it might go sour with an unestablished trader - don't trade with them... sounds like simple logic to me.

New guys wouldn't have much of a chance to become established, then - many of us wouldn't trade with them..too much of a risk. 🙂

Even if they paid you first? That's how they get themselves established.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: CadetLee
Confused - read my PM..might explain a little more.

As I said - if you don't like the thought that it might go sour with an unestablished trader - don't trade with them... sounds like simple logic to me.

New guys wouldn't have much of a chance to become established, then - many of us wouldn't trade with them..too much of a risk. 🙂

Even if they paid you first? That's how they get themselves established.

What happens if a new guy wants to sell something? He has to go buy a few dozen items first?

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: CadetLee
Confused - read my PM..might explain a little more.

As I said - if you don't like the thought that it might go sour with an unestablished trader - don't trade with them... sounds like simple logic to me.

New guys wouldn't have much of a chance to become established, then - many of us wouldn't trade with them..too much of a risk. 🙂

Even if they paid you first? That's how they get themselves established.

What happens if a new guy wants to sell something? He has to go buy a few dozen items first?

Eh paypal tends to always protect the buyers and not the sellers.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: CadetLee
Confused - read my PM..might explain a little more.

As I said - if you don't like the thought that it might go sour with an unestablished trader - don't trade with them... sounds like simple logic to me.

New guys wouldn't have much of a chance to become established, then - many of us wouldn't trade with them..too much of a risk. 🙂

Even if they paid you first? That's how they get themselves established.

What happens if a new guy wants to sell something? He has to go buy a few dozen items first?

Eh paypal tends to always protect the buyers and not the sellers.

Not always, and I'd rather not take the risk. I'm not about to pay for Paypal 'buyer protection' either..

 

[Dulanic]

I could never see shipping first unless it's someone with alot of feedback. I have done a cross-ship but he had 300 heat. Hell I sold $2500 in giftcards and he didn't ask me to ship first even with my 8 heat at the time.

 

[TitanDiddly]

Originally posted by: FleshLight
Have him fork it up front. Since he's lowballing you, he'll probably try to lowball you even further.

Yes, 100% up-front.

 

[OhioState]

walk away there will be another buyer

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: UncleWai
Remember no one forces you to trade in an unwilling condition. If you don't like to ship first, don't trade with him.

Seriously, there's no rules on this. If you're uncomfortable with the situation, then don't trade. Gotta trust your gut.

 

[ktehmok]

I'd move on. Or use a 3rd party escrow. If he's not willing to do that, then pass. That card will hold its value long enough for you to find a better trader.

Confused, the supermarket analogy doesn't really work. Because you can actually "see" what you're buying in a store. And you know that you're going to get it. That's why you pay first. Online, that's an entirely different story and it's full of people who will gladly steal your money or property. An online deal is based on trust.

If you're buying from an online store, you have the ablilty to do a charge-back with your CC company if the deal goes south. Buying from a private person doesn't give you that option very often.

You should try our FS/FT forum. Your options may be limited being in the UK with shipping & all. But there are a few guys over there. Hopefully more soon

 

[FelixDeCat]

When I started off six years ago with no heatware, I had some people who with alot of heatware ask me to ship first. While I did consider it, it was MY decision not to sell to them but to the first person with cash in hand.

There are plenty of people out there with no heat. If you feel comfortable with them by checking their available credentials, they by all means - TRADE WITH THEM and build your heatware with other newbs.

🙂