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a gunfighting legend

I'm real glad that he has survived all the holdup's. I just wish that we could deal with the perp's to prevent these crimes from happening in the first place.
 
Holy shit. That guy is awesome!

Edit: The end of the interview's a little sad, when he talks about what the experiences have done to him.
 
The big question is one of "what if?" What if he hadn't drawn first? What if any of those four bullets he received had hit something vital? Sure, he's alive, but he's had to close his shop, avoid his friends, and lose his business. I'd have just forked over some watches and moved to Florida.

While this guy is amazing, the majority of gun owners don't have the training, and a gun you don't know how to use is a gun belonging to your opponent. Unless you spend hours a week at the firing range, you're pretty much screwed, and while giving people the right to concealed weapons will provide defense for the rare few it's far more likely to increase the rate of drunken unplanned shootings for the majority.

Besides, the guy's become clinically paranoid - something really easy to do when people are, in fact, interested in seeing you dead.
 
Besides, the guy's become clinically paranoid - something really easy to do when people are, in fact, interested in seeing you dead.
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I don't think an LA gang saying they are out to get you after you kill 2 of their members is paranoia.
 
Originally posted by: Cheesehead
The big question is one of "what if?" What if he hadn't drawn first? What if any of those four bullets he received had hit something vital? Sure, he's alive, but he's had to close his shop, avoid his friends, and lose his business. I'd have just forked over some watches and moved to Florida.

While this guy is amazing, the majority of gun owners don't have the training, and a gun you don't know how to use is a gun belonging to your opponent. Unless you spend hours a week at the firing range, you're pretty much screwed, and while giving people the right to concealed weapons will provide defense for the rare few it's far more likely to increase the rate of drunken unplanned shootings for the majority.

Besides, the guy's become clinically paranoid - something really easy to do when people are, in fact, interested in seeing you dead.
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are you implying criminals train for hours per week?
 
Originally posted by: Cheesehead
The big question is one of "what if?" What if he hadn't drawn first? What if any of those four bullets he received had hit something vital? Sure, he's alive, but he's had to close his shop, avoid his friends, and lose his business. I'd have just forked over some watches and moved to Florida.

While this guy is amazing, the majority of gun owners don't have the training, and a gun you don't know how to use is a gun belonging to your opponent. Unless you spend hours a week at the firing range, you're pretty much screwed, and while giving people the right to concealed weapons will provide defense for the rare few it's far more likely to increase the rate of drunken unplanned shootings for the majority.

Besides, the guy's become clinically paranoid - something really easy to do when people are, in fact, interested in seeing you dead.
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Mmmm.. or just get shot and killed like the other store owners. You never know, but I assume that if someone is pointing a gun at me that they are going to use it.
 
Originally posted by: OverVolt
Besides, the guy's become clinically paranoid - something really easy to do when people are, in fact, interested in seeing you dead.
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I don't think an LA gang saying they are out to get you after you kill 2 of their members is paranoia.
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You might want to re-read Overvolt's statement.

Also, your definition of paranoia is screwy. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean people -aren't- trying to kill you.
 
Originally posted by: Cheesehead
The big question is one of "what if?" What if he hadn't drawn first? What if any of those four bullets he received had hit something vital? Sure, he's alive, but he's had to close his shop, avoid his friends, and lose his business. I'd have just forked over some watches and moved to Florida.

While this guy is amazing, the majority of gun owners don't have the training, and a gun you don't know how to use is a gun belonging to your opponent. Unless you spend hours a week at the firing range, you're pretty much screwed, and while giving people the right to concealed weapons will provide defense for the rare few it's far more likely to increase the rate of drunken unplanned shootings for the majority.

Besides, the guy's become clinically paranoid - something really easy to do when people are, in fact, interested in seeing you dead.
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Gun training isn't very useful in these type of situations. I have tons of experince shooting. But when I worked at a store and was robbed at gun point, it was a whole different thing. I'm a good shot, probably better than the dude ropping me, but the moment the gun was at the side of my head that didn't matter. If you don't draw first that other shit doesn't matter. In my case I didn't draw first because I didn't expect it to happen. Kudos for man in story being prepaired. Only way you can really train yourself for a situation like that is to have big balls and move quick.

Prior to being robbed I had always wonder what would happen if i ever got robbed. In my head I would grab the gun we had in the store and take control. A .40 Glock to the side of my head changed my way of thinking lol.

 
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: Cheesehead
The big question is one of "what if?" What if he hadn't drawn first? What if any of those four bullets he received had hit something vital? Sure, he's alive, but he's had to close his shop, avoid his friends, and lose his business. I'd have just forked over some watches and moved to Florida.

While this guy is amazing, the majority of gun owners don't have the training, and a gun you don't know how to use is a gun belonging to your opponent. Unless you spend hours a week at the firing range, you're pretty much screwed, and while giving people the right to concealed weapons will provide defense for the rare few it's far more likely to increase the rate of drunken unplanned shootings for the majority.

Besides, the guy's become clinically paranoid - something really easy to do when people are, in fact, interested in seeing you dead.
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Gun training isn't very useful in these type of situations. I have tons of experince shooting. But when I worked at a store and was robbed at gun point, it was a whole different thing. I'm a good shot, probably better than the dude ropping me, but the moment the gun was at the side of my head that didn't matter. If you don't draw first that other shit doesn't matter. In my case I didn't draw first because I didn't expect it to happen. Kudos for man in story being prepaired. Only way you can really train yourself for a situation like that is to have big balls and move quick.

Prior to being robbed I had always wonder what would happen if i ever got robbed. In my head I would grab the gun we had in the store and take control. A .40 Glock to the side of my head changed my way of thinking lol.
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What are you saying? That you are the dog that won't hunt now? I don't intend it as a slight, just curious what you mean by changed your way of thinking.

 
Originally posted by: Cheesehead
Unless you spend hours a week at the firing range, you're pretty much screwed, and while giving people the right to concealed weapons will provide defense for the rare few it's far more likely to increase the rate of drunken unplanned shootings for the majority.

Besides, the guy's become clinically paranoid - something really easy to do when people are, in fact, interested in seeing you dead.
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I wonder why crime in general tends to decline in "shall-issue" states and that accidental shootings involving ccw holders is smaller than law enforcement? Please shut up next time you make statement like that and show yourself to be ignorant of permit holders.
 
Originally posted by: rivan
Holy shit. That guy is awesome!

Edit: The end of the interview's a little sad, when he talks about what the experiences have done to him.
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ya, that sucks. he should have gone the whole way with the "charles bronson" thing and taken out the gang that was looking for revenge. then his neighborhood could have bbqs in the streets, and kids would get jobs instead of crack habits.


srsly, hes a badass and what i hope i do in the same situations.
 
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Cheesehead
The big question is one of "what if?" What if he hadn't drawn first? What if any of those four bullets he received had hit something vital? Sure, he's alive, but he's had to close his shop, avoid his friends, and lose his business. I'd have just forked over some watches and moved to Florida.

While this guy is amazing, the majority of gun owners don't have the training, and a gun you don't know how to use is a gun belonging to your opponent. Unless you spend hours a week at the firing range, you're pretty much screwed, and while giving people the right to concealed weapons will provide defense for the rare few it's far more likely to increase the rate of drunken unplanned shootings for the majority.

Besides, the guy's become clinically paranoid - something really easy to do when people are, in fact, interested in seeing you dead.
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are you implying criminals train for hours per week?
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what they lack in quality they make up for in quantity
 
Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: Cheesehead
The big question is one of "what if?" What if he hadn't drawn first? What if any of those four bullets he received had hit something vital? Sure, he's alive, but he's had to close his shop, avoid his friends, and lose his business. I'd have just forked over some watches and moved to Florida.

While this guy is amazing, the majority of gun owners don't have the training, and a gun you don't know how to use is a gun belonging to your opponent. Unless you spend hours a week at the firing range, you're pretty much screwed, and while giving people the right to concealed weapons will provide defense for the rare few it's far more likely to increase the rate of drunken unplanned shootings for the majority.

Besides, the guy's become clinically paranoid - something really easy to do when people are, in fact, interested in seeing you dead.
Click to expand...

Gun training isn't very useful in these type of situations. I have tons of experince shooting. But when I worked at a store and was robbed at gun point, it was a whole different thing. I'm a good shot, probably better than the dude ropping me, but the moment the gun was at the side of my head that didn't matter. If you don't draw first that other shit doesn't matter. In my case I didn't draw first because I didn't expect it to happen. Kudos for man in story being prepaired. Only way you can really train yourself for a situation like that is to have big balls and move quick.

Prior to being robbed I had always wonder what would happen if i ever got robbed. In my head I would grab the gun we had in the store and take control. A .40 Glock to the side of my head changed my way of thinking lol.
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What are you saying? That you are the dog that won't hunt now? I don't intend it as a slight, just curious what you mean by changed your way of thinking.
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I thought the fact I hit the shooting range and was good with a pistol meant any criminal who messed with me would be sorry. All the thinking about a situation in the world didn't prepare me for when it actually happened. Regardless of if you're trained with guns or not, you either take charge in a situation like this, or do nothing and pray you don't get killed. I don't think the instinct to reach for your gun can be taught. You either have the ability or you don't. I'm an accurate shot but I don't have the quick instinct to go for mine before the criminal in a situation like this.
 
Originally posted by: QueBert
I thought the fact I hit the shooting range and was good with a pistol meant any criminal who messed with me would be sorry. All the thinking about a situation in the world didn't prepare me for when it actually happened. Regardless of if you're trained with guns or not, you either take charge in a situation like this, or do nothing and pray you don't get killed. I don't think the instinct to reach for your gun can be taught. You either have the ability or you don't. I'm an accurate shot but I don't have the quick instinct to go for mine before the criminal in a situation like this.
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It's not the skill, it's the application. In this guy's case, it wasn't instinct - he carefully considered how he would go for the gun, so as not to arouse the perp's suspicion.

 
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: Cheesehead
The big question is one of "what if?" What if he hadn't drawn first? What if any of those four bullets he received had hit something vital? Sure, he's alive, but he's had to close his shop, avoid his friends, and lose his business. I'd have just forked over some watches and moved to Florida.

While this guy is amazing, the majority of gun owners don't have the training, and a gun you don't know how to use is a gun belonging to your opponent. Unless you spend hours a week at the firing range, you're pretty much screwed, and while giving people the right to concealed weapons will provide defense for the rare few it's far more likely to increase the rate of drunken unplanned shootings for the majority.

Besides, the guy's become clinically paranoid - something really easy to do when people are, in fact, interested in seeing you dead.
Click to expand...

Gun training isn't very useful in these type of situations. I have tons of experince shooting. But when I worked at a store and was robbed at gun point, it was a whole different thing. I'm a good shot, probably better than the dude ropping me, but the moment the gun was at the side of my head that didn't matter. If you don't draw first that other shit doesn't matter. In my case I didn't draw first because I didn't expect it to happen. Kudos for man in story being prepaired. Only way you can really train yourself for a situation like that is to have big balls and move quick.

Prior to being robbed I had always wonder what would happen if i ever got robbed. In my head I would grab the gun we had in the store and take control. A .40 Glock to the side of my head changed my way of thinking lol.
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What are you saying? That you are the dog that won't hunt now? I don't intend it as a slight, just curious what you mean by changed your way of thinking.
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I thought the fact I hit the shooting range and was good with a pistol meant any criminal who messed with me would be sorry. All the thinking about a situation in the world didn't prepare me for when it actually happened. Regardless of if you're trained with guns or not, you either take charge in a situation like this, or do nothing and pray you don't get killed. I don't think the instinct to reach for your gun can be taught. You either have the ability or you don't. I'm an accurate shot but I don't have the quick instinct to go for mine before the criminal in a situation like this.
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From what it sounds like, I probably would not have reached for mine, had I been carrying either.

I don't know what kind of training you have, but people need to move beyond standing at the range and practicing under what would be considered ideal circumstances. You're awake, aware and prepared. Do things like action pistol (IPDA or USPSA) and go through drills that put you in bad situatinos. Shooting in the dark where your gun is unloaded, shooting from awkward angles and body positions when your heart is going and you're against the clock. I considered myself a good shot as well, everything in an 8 circle on paper at 25 yards but was blown away my first experience in this type of situation.

Unfortunately, this usually takes a private range or lessons that costs more than a casual shooter wants to spend. I consider myself an advocate for every citizen who wants a gun should have one but think that such a class and perhaps a yearly course "qualification" should be required for ccw. At least to law enforcement standards (what I consider substandard).
 
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Cheesehead
The big question is one of "what if?" What if he hadn't drawn first? What if any of those four bullets he received had hit something vital? Sure, he's alive, but he's had to close his shop, avoid his friends, and lose his business. I'd have just forked over some watches and moved to Florida.

While this guy is amazing, the majority of gun owners don't have the training, and a gun you don't know how to use is a gun belonging to your opponent. Unless you spend hours a week at the firing range, you're pretty much screwed, and while giving people the right to concealed weapons will provide defense for the rare few it's far more likely to increase the rate of drunken unplanned shootings for the majority.

Besides, the guy's become clinically paranoid - something really easy to do when people are, in fact, interested in seeing you dead.
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are you implying criminals train for hours per week?
Click to expand...

what they lack in quality they make up for in quantity
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LOL :laugh:
 
Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
Originally posted by: QueBert
I thought the fact I hit the shooting range and was good with a pistol meant any criminal who messed with me would be sorry. All the thinking about a situation in the world didn't prepare me for when it actually happened. Regardless of if you're trained with guns or not, you either take charge in a situation like this, or do nothing and pray you don't get killed. I don't think the instinct to reach for your gun can be taught. You either have the ability or you don't. I'm an accurate shot but I don't have the quick instinct to go for mine before the criminal in a situation like this.
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It's not the skill, it's the application. In this guy's case, it wasn't instinct - he carefully considered how he would go for the gun, so as not to arouse the perp's suspicion.
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And he got shot several times. Even with great planning he didn't 'win' he got lucky.
 
Originally posted by: Cheesehead
The big question is one of "what if?" What if he hadn't drawn first? What if any of those four bullets he received had hit something vital? Sure, he's alive, but he's had to close his shop, avoid his friends, and lose his business. I'd have just forked over some watches and moved to Florida.

While this guy is amazing, the majority of gun owners don't have the training, and a gun you don't know how to use is a gun belonging to your opponent. Unless you spend hours a week at the firing range, you're pretty much screwed, and while giving people the right to concealed weapons will provide defense for the rare few it's far more likely to increase the rate of drunken unplanned shootings for the majority.

Besides, the guy's become clinically paranoid - something really easy to do when people are, in fact, interested in seeing you dead.
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