I guess you have never looked into purchasing health insurance for your self with out going thru your employer. When my parents look into get health insruance the break even point was 20K dollars of medical bills in one year. Purchasing health insurance as private party is simple a bad investment.
Gee, I didn't know emergency rooms covered such things as: regularly required medication, physical therapy, prosthetics, etc..
It was something stupid like 1000 dollars a month and 8 thousand dollar deductible and that was three years ago so I'm sure it has sence gone up more.
No. The two do not go hand-in-hand.
Health insurance premiums for an individual are very expensive. Myself and my two daughters was going to cost me $400/mo. in the 2nd year I had my own insurance (when I was self-employed). Had I still been married (my ex is still of child-bearing years), I'd have been looking at another $250-300/mo. in premiums. That's $650-700/mo. or $7800-8400/yr. That's a lot of money!
Someone making $30-40k yr could in no way afford that in addition to rent/mortgage, food, utilities, etc.
Rip -- Worldnetdaily, AGAIN??? :Q Truly pathetic! 
I thought we already went through this partiular rag. Are you so bereft of lameass fringe sites that you're already on reruns?
I give up on you. I used to think you had some sense of reality, but damn!! it's getting hard to maintain that thought. Excuse me while I go off to a corner to laugh and cry for you. :laugh: :laugh:
I thought we already went through this partiular rag. Are you so bereft of lameass fringe sites that you're already on reruns?
I give up on you. I used to think you had some sense of reality, but damn!! it's getting hard to maintain that thought. Excuse me while I go off to a corner to laugh and cry for you. :laugh:
:laugh: You oughta see his newest thread. He's linking to anncoulter.org!!!
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How many people do you know that have needed emergency medical care that were turned away because they didn't have health insurance?
A few. Had one friend seriously questioned about whether they could treat him as he was having a stroke.
Hey, Rip -- Here's a strange thought. AT is a computer oriented site. I just searched, and I couldn't find the last time you posted in any computer related forum. Wouldn't you have more fun posting on one of those neocon fringey sites with the foil beaney set? I bet Rush would love to hear from you. :roll:
Hey, Rip -- Here's a strange thought. AT is a computer oriented site. I just searched, and I couldn't find the last time you posted in any computer related forum. Wouldn't you have more fun posting on one of those neocon fringey sites with the foil beaney set? I bet Rush would love to hear from you. :roll:
It has nothing to do with WANTING. It has already happened. :frown:
It's too hard to get a reply on those other forums. Everyone's either here or at OT.
You really know people who were denied medical treatment?
I'd like to hear more about that.
You really know people who were denied medical treatment?
I'd like to hear more about that.
Yes, I really do. He's a friend of mine who happens to be a very talented musician/songwriter. Not going to go into the details of a personal friend's problems.
If you want to know more about others, check those on disability who are forced to choose between eating or medication. They die without one or the other so its a great choice. :roll:
OMG - this is a new low for you Rip, and that is saying something.
Kerry said nothing that was misleading at all. It is very true that 43Million Americans lack Heath Insurance - that isn't a good thing! Yes, you can get treated at an emergency room, but you can't see a doctor for a routine checkup, you can't take your kids to the dentist, you can't get mamograms, MRI's, X-rays - unless you go through the emergency room, and that isn't going to work for most of those things anyway.
To summarize what the moron who wrote the article is trying to say - the 43 million americans who don't have health insurance don't matter - they can always go to the emergency room.
That my friends is a big pile of sh1t. If Health insurance isn't needed, why is it an issue at all? OF COURSE HEALTH INSURANCE IS NEEDED AND IMPORTANT MORONS.
The 43 M don't have it because they can't afford it - not because they choose to take a calculated risk - I've never seen one person work at a job that offered health insurance that turned it down for any reason other than they were already covered under their spouse's coverage - no one says - "I'm young and strong, I don't need it".
Rip, change the title of this thread, and please, for the love of god, don't believe you need to link us to every single right-slanted op-ed piece you can find - this has gone way beyond ridiculous, way beyond annoying. I get that you want Bush to get re-elected, I really do - but your utter lack of any objectivity, even when the truth is slapping you in the face, is downright sad.
Kerry said nothing that was misleading at all. It is very true that 43Million Americans lack Heath Insurance - that isn't a good thing! Yes, you can get treated at an emergency room, but you can't see a doctor for a routine checkup, you can't take your kids to the dentist, you can't get mamograms, MRI's, X-rays - unless you go through the emergency room, and that isn't going to work for most of those things anyway.
To summarize what the moron who wrote the article is trying to say - the 43 million americans who don't have health insurance don't matter - they can always go to the emergency room.
That my friends is a big pile of sh1t. If Health insurance isn't needed, why is it an issue at all? OF COURSE HEALTH INSURANCE IS NEEDED AND IMPORTANT MORONS.
The 43 M don't have it because they can't afford it - not because they choose to take a calculated risk - I've never seen one person work at a job that offered health insurance that turned it down for any reason other than they were already covered under their spouse's coverage - no one says - "I'm young and strong, I don't need it".
Rip, change the title of this thread, and please, for the love of god, don't believe you need to link us to every single right-slanted op-ed piece you can find - this has gone way beyond ridiculous, way beyond annoying. I get that you want Bush to get re-elected, I really do - but your utter lack of any objectivity, even when the truth is slapping you in the face, is downright sad.
Who cares if the post body isn't in quotes, it doesn't take away from the fact that Kerry has selective memory issues.
If god were to talk to Kerry he would most definitly use that in his campaign speech somewhere, the guy is clueless and hopeless.
Also, healthcare is just that, insurance or not, you are still entiltled to care at a healthcare facility.
America could not afford congress style insurance for everyone, and no-one wants their taxes raised to pay for it, not even liberals.
If god were to talk to Kerry he would most definitly use that in his campaign speech somewhere, the guy is clueless and hopeless.
Also, healthcare is just that, insurance or not, you are still entiltled to care at a healthcare facility.
America could not afford congress style insurance for everyone, and no-one wants their taxes raised to pay for it, not even liberals.
Fingolfin269
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Neo, how do you know that all 43 milllion without health insurance do not have it because they can't afford it? I'm sure that plenty of people who don't have health insurance don't have it because they choose not to have it. For instance, it costs me around $80/month through my work's group policy to have health insurance. I chose to pay that amount. I also pay about $100/yr. for dental insurance through work and chose to pay for it. One of my coworkers chose not to pay for it and would rather pay for it himself out of pocket. Should he be represented in the same group as those who don't have dental insurance because they just can't afford it?
Face it folks. There's no great way to measure just how many people in this country are without health insurance because of economic circumstances. Any numbers we see or hear are probably cooked up by someone for one partisan reason or another.
Face it folks. There's no great way to measure just how many people in this country are without health insurance because of economic circumstances. Any numbers we see or hear are probably cooked up by someone for one partisan reason or another.
Sorry, but I kinda see his point. Health care is health care. Health insurance is health insurance.
There is no valid point to the article. Hospital emergency rooms do not provide for all health care needs. It's assinine to suggest that they do. Kerry pointed out that many people do not have all the health care they need, most through no fault of thier own. Even a moron can figure out that that is what he means. Besides, emergency rooms offer some of the most expensive treatment you can get. Hard to get billed less than $500us for a hang nail in an emergency room. I know of stupid people who go to emergency rooms constantly (some insured, some not) for the smallest thing (the kid has a 100° fever). Somebody pays the cost, somewhere. To even suggest that emergency rooms be used for ordinary medical care boarders on insanity.
"A week or so ago, Kerry was braying along before some crowd of enthusiastic Democrats, and told them in appropriately shocked tones that "43 million Americans have no health care." (I happened to hear him on the radio.) He let that awful statistic sink in, then added in righteous wrath that "health care" ought to be the "right" of "every American." The crowd roared its agreement."
I like the way you Libs turn a blind eye to Kerry's lies and deceptions.
43 million Americans lack "Health Insurance". There's a big difference.
I like the way you Libs turn a blind eye to Kerry's lies and deceptions.
43 million Americans lack "Health Insurance". There's a big difference.
How in the fvck is it a "lie"? Because he left off the word "coverage"?
You're a brainwashed fool, Rip. Truly you are.
You're a brainwashed fool, Rip. Truly you are.
Fingolfin269
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I have no problem with the way he said it. I actually have more problem with the way you just said it.
You say it as if what Kerry says is a blanket truth, 'many people do not have all the health care they need, most through no fault of their own'. I'm most certainly not a bleeding heart. I've worked pretty damn hard to get to where I am now and I honestly don't have a lot of money yet still I choose to pay for my health coverage. Obviously I don't pay a crazy $20k premium but I do have to pay for part of the insurance provided through work. At what point is the line drawn where someone cannot have full health coverage 'through no fault of their own'? I have a problem with statements like this because we don't know all of the factors surrounding the individuals without health insurance. For example, how many of the people who don't have health insurance drive around in cars nicer than mine? I know that my brother doesn't have any health coverage whatsoever, yet he drives around in a vehicle worth a lot more than mine.
Sometimes people make choices in life that aren't necessarily the wisest choice. Am I to feel bad because an idiot bought a $35,000 car and now can't afford the car payment, cell phone payment, rent, and subsequently can't afford to buy health coverage?
Now, just because I know some of you will want to dance around everything I wrote and say 'Well, that's obviously a random case and not representative of the whole!'... I honestly have nothing to say about that. I have no idea where Kerry got the information he used. I have no idea how it was sampled or anything like that. I can only speak for the people that I know who bitch about not having health insurance but who also have nicer stuff than I do.
Fingolfin269
My wife's employer (a small advertising office) recently did some inquirys about offering health insurancs. The first company they thought they had it worked out with passed out medical questionares. The company backed out of the deal to provide insurance because I had had a heart attack a few years ago. Company they finally found to insure them wants my wife to pay about 2 weeks net salary per month on top of the company premium for the first year (about half of that the second) because of same if she signs up for coverage. I also know of many people who have changed jobs and no longer have coverage for long term or recurring illnesses in family members because it is deemed a "prior, existing condition" by the insurer. And people who are stuck in lousy, dead-end jobs because that's where they happened to be working when a family member developed a such a condition (and don't think employers don't know the leverage they have either).There is also a large number of people in the service industry that do not have insurance offered, or it is so expensive compared to their meager salaries, that it is unattainable. There are people who can't afford to retire (homes and cars paid for) when they want to because insurance costs would drain their savings. There may be a whole world out there that you are unaware of.
My wife's employer (a small advertising office) recently did some inquirys about offering health insurancs. The first company they thought they had it worked out with passed out medical questionares. The company backed out of the deal to provide insurance because I had had a heart attack a few years ago. Company they finally found to insure them wants my wife to pay about 2 weeks net salary per month on top of the company premium for the first year (about half of that the second) because of same if she signs up for coverage. I also know of many people who have changed jobs and no longer have coverage for long term or recurring illnesses in family members because it is deemed a "prior, existing condition" by the insurer. And people who are stuck in lousy, dead-end jobs because that's where they happened to be working when a family member developed a such a condition (and don't think employers don't know the leverage they have either).There is also a large number of people in the service industry that do not have insurance offered, or it is so expensive compared to their meager salaries, that it is unattainable. There are people who can't afford to retire (homes and cars paid for) when they want to because insurance costs would drain their savings. There may be a whole world out there that you are unaware of.
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