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A Good, Used, American Made Car Under $15k

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Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

But if it is used, the people that made it wont get any money from it, right? All you would be doing would be giving your money to an american used car dealer.

That's a good point. If you're buying a USED American car, your purchase does not contribute to USA's GDP. It was already sold once and was counted then. You're just transferring ownership now. If you wanted to be patriotic about your purchase, you'd have to buy a new American car *cough*.

Originally posted by: sirspotti
because that is where i live and whenever possible i like to buy products that are made in the U.S.

I don't mean this in a negative way, but that's just crazy. I know, I know, all those ads telling you to be patriotic and buy things "Made in the USA". But unless you know someone who is directly affected by it (which would be reason enough), why buy American goods when America can't produce them as efficiently as other countries? We clearly don't have a comparative advantage in making cars anymore, so why not have the industries focus on more profitable sectors where we do have a comparative advantage? Does anyone believe the US is at a disadvantage now that we don't manufacture electronics anymore?

But I digress...
 
Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: sirspotti
Originally posted by: CFster
Originally posted by: sirspotti
the most important factor is that the car is American made

Why?


because that is where i live and whenever possible i like to buy products that are made in the U.S.


uhh even if its arguably an inferior product?

FYI, this isn't 1982 anymore... American cars are very reliable. GM and Toyota topped JD Power's quality surveys this year...
 
Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: LordMorpheus
You get what you pay for. Used american cars cost nothing compared to used japanese cars. Sure, some of the time there is a good reason for that, but lots of times you pick something up that is reliable as anything for a fraction of what it would cost to get a smaller, less powerful, less featured Japanese car.
i would disagree on the reliability part, but american cars are more loaded for the price.
I love my big old Lincoln as a daily driver. Plenty of power, very comfy, nicely luxurious, reliable as all get-out too.

For a good used American car under $15,000 I'd look at Crown Vics, Grand Marquis, Continentals, Town Cars and Mark VIIIs. They all use powertrains that Ford has built for ages, parts a plentiful and cheap, and they really don't break.

ZV
 
These car companies are all publically traded.... whoever owns the shares owns the matching slice of the company... welcome to the global economy, where "japanese cars" are made in the US by American workers and Japanese own huge chunks of the bonds that GM, Ford and co are cranking out like funny money.

Get over it. Want to buy "american owned"? call your fvcking broker, buy some toyota and then go down to the lot and buy a toyota. :roll:
 
Originally posted by: ghostman
I don't mean this in a negative way, but that's just crazy. I know, I know, all those ads telling you to be patriotic and buy things "Made in the USA". But unless you know someone who is directly affected by it (which would be reason enough), why buy American goods when America can't produce them as efficiently as other countries? We clearly don't have a comparative advantage in making cars anymore, so why not have the industries focus on more profitable sectors where we do have a comparative advantage? Does anyone believe the US is at a disadvantage now that we don't manufacture electronics anymore?

But I digress...
Depends on what he does. My father has a three-state territory selling semi parts in the midwest. He used to drive Explorers (put about 80,000 miles on them a year) and just switched to a Honda Pilot because he has back problems and needed the better ride while still having station wagon cargo capacity and light-duty towing ability. He's had to explain this to a lot of his customers, some of whom have been highly annoyed that he doesn't have an American vehicle. Whether these people are right or wrong is entirely beside the point. If the OP has a job like that, then it's in his best interest to stick with vehicles that are obviously American.

ZV
 
Pansies like you piss me off. Buy the best car for your money, you should be able to define what is "best." If america is not the "best" due to reliability or build quality, then we should get hurt in the pocket book and be forced to correct our mistakes and FIGHT to make the best product, not profit from b.s. jingoistic pride.

Most American companies are owned by so many foreign interests - look at Chrysler - are they really an american company or what? At least japanese companies are building cars HERE instaed of mexico.

Also, buying a used car does not put money in anyone american factory workers, dumb ass.. It just screams "I'm short sighted and try to make empty symbolic gestures..." you dumb ass...
 
A Buick is a HAUS. As much as I hate to admit it, Buicks are great cars. My used Buick that I drove in high school at 90,000 miles became my brother's car at 120,000 miles.. Then, at about 170,000 miles, it got wrecked. But, my brother hardly EVER changed the oil, treated the car like shi\t, never checked fluids or anything.. and it just drove.

My dad and mom both have Buicks now too (one bought used, one bought new) and neither has been taken to the shop for anything other than oil changes.

 
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Pansies like you piss me off. Buy the best car for your money, you should be able to define what is "best." If america is not the "best" due to reliability or build quality, then we should get hurt in the pocket book and be forced to correct our mistakes and FIGHT to make the best product, not profit from b.s. jingoistic pride.

Most American companies are owned by so many foreign interests - look at Chrysler - are they really an american company or what? At least japanese companies are building cars HERE instaed of mexico.

Also, buying a used car does not put money in anyone american factory workers, dumb ass.. It just screams "I'm short sighted and try to make empty symbolic gestures..." you dumb ass...
Yeah, his own freedom to choose pisses you off. Wonderful sentiment there jackass.

The very essence of freedom is to be allowed to make decisions that other people do not agree with so long as those decisions do not infringe upon the freedoms of others. There's nothing at all wrong with him buying an American car, nor is there anything wrong with him preferring an American car.

ZV
 
Originally posted by: SagaLore
I love my Dodge Neon. I got it when a dealership was clearing out their 04 stock at practically break-even prices, to make way for 05 stuff. So around $10k for a brand new car - standard, cruise, cd changer, fog lights, power steering/windows.

The Dodge Neon is the highest maintinence production car in the world.
 
You could get a brand new Ford Ranger for that. Mines been perfect for over 70k now.

Trucks are handy. Unless you have friends that move a lot...
 
Originally posted by: Acanthus
The Dodge Neon is the highest maintinence production car in the world.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh that's just rich! You don't know jack sh!t about high maintenance until you've owned an old Porsche or an old British roadster.

Then again, you were just pulling that comment out of your ass anyway.

ZV
 
Speaking of Ameican cars anyone know how the 03-05 Chevy Malibu Classics are? I have gotten desperate in the search for a new car, and these fit the price range I was looking for.
 
does a car produced in the usa count, cause that way you are supporting american workers regardless of whether its an american, asian or european company. however, if you want to make the executives richer then you should only look at american companies. Personally I would want to support the workers so i would buy something produced in the us. I dont really care about the brass at any company cause they're money grubbing commies 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Pansies like you piss me off. Buy the best car for your money, you should be able to define what is "best." If america is not the "best" due to reliability or build quality, then we should get hurt in the pocket book and be forced to correct our mistakes and FIGHT to make the best product, not profit from b.s. jingoistic pride.

Most American companies are owned by so many foreign interests - look at Chrysler - are they really an american company or what? At least japanese companies are building cars HERE instaed of mexico.

Also, buying a used car does not put money in anyone american factory workers, dumb ass.. It just screams "I'm short sighted and try to make empty symbolic gestures..." you dumb ass...
Yeah, his own freedom to choose pisses you off. Wonderful sentiment there jackass.

The very essence of freedom is to be allowed to make decisions that other people do not agree with so long as those decisions do not infringe upon the freedoms of others. There's nothing at all wrong with him buying an American car, nor is there anything wrong with him preferring an American car.

ZV


I don't think there is anything "wrong" with buying an American car or preferring American cars, but I can agree with freedomsbeat that "buying American" is, at best, an empty gesture. America, as a whole, would be economically better off by NOT buying American goods that can't be produced as efficiently as other countries. And this isn't an industry where we're just new and haven't established our footing yet; we were the founders and still lost the head start advantage. You'll hear a (relatively) small group of American car manufacturers scream bloody hell about the dwindling market share because it's a big loss for them, but you'll never hear about the benefits to the country.

Granted, if you have to explain yourself for buying a non-American car, then by all means, do it to avoid the conflict. But you shouldn't be fooled to think the gesture is helping anyone other than those special interest groups.

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
does a car produced in the usa count, cause that way you are supporting american workers regardless of whether its an american, asian or european company. however, if you want to make the executives richer then you should only look at american companies. Personally I would want to support the workers so i would buy something produced in the us. I dont really care about the brass at any company cause they're money grubbing commies 🙂


You're right. Buying American would help this generation of American employees in that industry. Because otherwise, several thousand people will lose their jobs. And there is no economics that can measure that loss.

But from an economic point of view, millions of consumers will benefit from the proper reallocation of natural and human resources. And the next generation of American employees won't be unemployed. They'll find jobs in the thriving sectors of industry. Of course, you'll hear A LOT more from one guy losing his job than from thousands who beneift (who complains about benefits?).

There's a book that explains this well for people not looking for a complete education in Economics, but the name of it escapes me.
 
Originally posted by: Fritzo
Maybe this will help.
Good call. :thumbsup:

Ever wonder why police departments and taxi companies use these "old-tech" V8, rear-wheel-drive sedans? Because they're basically bullet-proof. Really, could a car have a tougher job than serving cab duty in New York City? Or cruiser duty in Los Angeles? Not only that, but these traditional American full-sizers are also very comfortable to ride in, have plenty of luggage capacity and are cheap to keep in light of their low maintenance requirements and commendable fuel efficiency (highway ratings are as high as 25 mpg). They also have very good crash test scores. - Text
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Mercury Grand Marquis, could probably get an 01-03 depending on mileage for that price.
I can vouch for the reliability of those. My wife's '99 G. Marquis was purchased used in 2002, and has been the epitomy of reliability ever since.
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

I love my big old Lincoln as a daily driver. Plenty of power, very comfy, nicely luxurious, reliable as all get-out too.

For a good used American car under $15,000 I'd look at Crown Vics, Grand Marquis, Continentals, Town Cars and Mark VIIIs. They all use powertrains that Ford has built for ages, parts a plentiful and cheap, and they really don't break.

ZV
My '94 Town Car was bought used in 2002 for a song. Rides like cloud, quiet as a library, and I couldn't be happier with it. If it were stolen, I'd replace it with an identical one in a heartbeat!

 
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
Speaking of Ameican cars anyone know how the 03-05 Chevy Malibu Classics are? I have gotten desperate in the search for a new car, and these fit the price range I was looking for.


If you can get one with a 4cyl instead of the V6, you can avoid at least one major problem (lower intake manifold gasket...though late 03 ond on should be OK as the addressed this problem in Feb 03). The power difference isn't too terribly large and you will get better fuel economy. The rest of the car has been around since ~97, so I would think most/some of the bugs had been worked out by then.

I almost bought an 04 when I local independent dealer closed shop. $7500 for an 04 with 19k miles aint bad.
 
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Pansies like you piss me off. Buy the best car for your money, you should be able to define what is "best." If america is not the "best" due to reliability or build quality, then we should get hurt in the pocket book and be forced to correct our mistakes and FIGHT to make the best product, not profit from b.s. jingoistic pride.

Most American companies are owned by so many foreign interests - look at Chrysler - are they really an american company or what? At least japanese companies are building cars HERE instaed of mexico.

Also, buying a used car does not put money in anyone american factory workers, dumb ass.. It just screams "I'm short sighted and try to make empty symbolic gestures..." you dumb ass...


haha, i am a pansy and a dumbass for wanting to buy products made in the US. and what do you care if i want to make "empty symbolic gestures"?

man, you must be real fun at parties.
 
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