A good story comparing/contrasting Reagan/Trump by PBS

[Kazukian]

Trump has fewer roadblocks to make sweeping changes, and the Republicans are more conservative.

This is going to be an interesting administration.

 

[Sunburn74]

Good work by PBS comparing the worst president in the last 30 years with likely the worst president to ever take the position.

 

[zinfamous]

Good work by PBS comparing the worst president in the last 30 years with likely the worst president to ever take the position.

exactly.

well, i'd say dubs was worse than Reagan, but it's a horserace.

 

[fskimospy]

exactly.

well, i'd say dubs was worse than Reagan, but it's a horserace.

I'm going to be interested to see how soon Trump starts the Reaganesque claim that he fixed the economy despite having little to nothing to do with it. My guess is six months, tops.

 

[jammix]

Ronald Reagan was tough and decisive. He took care of business. He didn't mince words. When the chips were down, he kicked ass and took names. And he was never shy of his pride in America and all she stood for. He will be remembered as one of the finest leaders of our nation.
As a trump supporter i gotta say, Reagan was a class act and a gentleman and He would be horrified by the idea of president Donald Trump.

 

[Moonbeam]

The big difference to me would probably be their respective PLU codes.

 

[fskimospy]

Ronald Reagan was tough and decisive. He took care of business. He didn't mince words. When the chips were down, he kicked ass and took names. And he was never shy of his pride in America and all she stood for. He will be remembered as one of the finest leaders of our nation.
As a trump supporter i gotta say, Reagan was a class act and a gentleman and He would be horrified by the idea of president Donald Trump.

One thing I agree on is that it will be weird and terrible to follow up one of the classiest presidents of all time with a guy who has absolutely none.

 

[IronWing]

Ronald Reagan was tough and decisive. He took care of business. He didn't mince words. When the chips were down, he kicked ass and took names. And he was never shy of his pride in America and all she stood for. He will be remembered as one of the finest leaders of our nation.
As a trump supporter i gotta say, Reagan was a class act and a gentleman and He would be horrified by the idea of president Donald Trump.

Cut and Run Ronnie?

 

[Brainonska511]

When the chips were down, he kicked ass and took names

Except in Lebanon and the bombing of the Marine Corp barracks, where he decided to cut and run.

 

[jammix]

Except in Lebanon and the bombing of the Marine Corp barracks, where he decided to cut and run.

He didn't want another "Vietnam war". he did the right thing.

 

[Brainonska511]

He didn't want another "Vietnam war". he did the right thing.

Sounds like an excuse for cutting and running with our tail between our legs. Do you always make excuses for the inadequacies of Republican presidents?

 

[fskimospy]

He didn't want another "Vietnam war". he did the right thing.

So he kicked ass except when he ran away but him running away was a good thing.

Does that sound like rationalization to you?

 

[Sunburn74]

Ronald Reagan was tough and decisive. He took care of business. He didn't mince words. When the chips were down, he kicked ass and took names. And he was never shy of his pride in America and all she stood for. He will be remembered as one of the finest leaders of our nation.
As a trump supporter i gotta say, Reagan was a class act and a gentleman and He would be horrified by the idea of president Donald Trump.

No to impugn the dead but you say all of that stuff about reagan and there is pretty much nothing to back it up. Reagans approval rating when he left office was probably the worst in the last 30 years (I want to say it was like 30%). The only reason people remember him fondly is he's the last Republican president with any sort of eloquence in the last 50 years and beyond that your idolization needs to take you back to Lincoln to find a GOP president who could deliver a speech. Reagans approval rating is better post humously.

The reality regarding reagan is he left the country in much worse shape than he received it. He presided over one of the largest governmental scandals in our history with the Iran contra affair which by all measures despite being unethical was also a failure in its primary objective. He oversaw and allowed the rise of HIV. He instituted a now essentially debunked theory of trickle down economics which took a decade or more to undo. Race relations hit their worst point ever (until the events of this year) under him. He intentionally undid 2 decades of civil rights progress in terms of education, integration, and voting rights and may have directed or at least ignored the introduction of crack cocaine into the African American community. He vetoed US political pressure to end apartheid in South Africa and had to be overridden by his own congress. He was extremely pro dictator. Reagan supported the brutal regime in El Salvador when it was widely known that they were killing civilians, including Americans. After four American nuns were murdered by Salvadorian soldiers, Reagan’s Secretary of State defended the Salvadorians, suggesting that the nuns might have been shot while trying to run a military roadblock—but this wouldn't explain why they were also raped before they were killed. He was anti environment and clean energy. For God's sake he had Alzheimer's. How great a president could he be when he had Alzheimer's and it was actually his wife who was quietly running the country for a good while.


Btw there is also suspicion that trump may have some early dementia too based on his age and behavior. There are definitely some signs in that direction and the fact that Mike Pence has to do so much is very concerning as well.

 

[theeedude]

Working class Republicans have been doing great since Reagan So great in fact, that they keep signing up for more.

 

[FIVR]

Trump's father died of alzheimers and it is known to be hereditary. Just FYI.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

He intentionally undid 2 decades of civil rights progress in terms of education, integration, and voting rights and may have directed or at least ignored the introduction of crack cocaine into the African American community.

I can agree with some of what you said, but don't understand this point. "Ignored the introduction"? Crack cocaine was a Reagan-era-fueled meme that explicitly targeted blacks and caused them to suffer excessive penalties that white users of powder cocaine didn't have to worry about. He did the opposite of ignore it. It's a bit unfair to blame Reagan for it anyways when it passed the House and Senate with bipartisan, veto-proof majorities (not that Reagan would have vetoed it, of course).

 

[ivwshane]

I can agree with some of what you said, but don't understand this point. "Ignored the introduction"? Crack cocaine was a Reagan-era-fueled meme that explicitly targeted blacks and caused them to suffer excessive penalties that white users of powder cocaine didn't have to worry about. He did the opposite of ignore it. It's a bit unfair to blame Reagan for it anyways when it passed the House and Senate with bipartisan, veto-proof majorities (not that Reagan would have vetoed it, of course).

The CIA, under Reagan pushed crack into the inner cities. Reagan is definitely responsible for that.

 

[IronWing]

The CIA, under Reagan pushed crack into the inner cities. Reagan is definitely responsible for that.

The Mercury News pushed that story hard, and as much I I'd like to see Reagan dug up and hanged ala Cromwell, the CIA/crack/Freeway Freddie story fell apart when other journalists looked into it. The CIA at least allowed drugs to flow through Central America as long as the proceeds went to the Contras but the U.S. distribution end of the story just didn't hold up to scrutiny.

 

[ivwshane]

The Mercury News pushed that story hard, and as much I I'd like to see Reagan dug up and hanged ala Cromwell, the CIA/crack/Freeway Freddie story fell apart when other journalists looked into it. The CIA at least allowed drugs to flow through Central America as long as the proceeds went to the Contras but the U.S. distribution end of the story just didn't hold up to scrutiny.

When? Before or after webbs death?

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5961748

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/special/cia.html

 

[jammix]

No to impugn the dead but you say all of that stuff about reagan and there is pretty much nothing to back it up. Reagans approval rating when he left office was probably the worst in the last 30 years (I want to say it was like 30%). The only reason people remember him fondly is he's the last Republican president with any sort of eloquence in the last 50 years and beyond that your idolization needs to take you back to Lincoln to find a GOP president who could deliver a speech. Reagans approval rating is better post humously.

The reality regarding reagan is he left the country in much worse shape than he received it. He presided over one of the largest governmental scandals in our history with the Iran contra affair which by all measures despite being unethical was also a failure in its primary objective. He oversaw and allowed the rise of HIV. He instituted a now essentially debunked theory of trickle down economics which took a decade or more to undo. Race relations hit their worst point ever (until the events of this year) under him. He intentionally undid 2 decades of civil rights progress in terms of education, integration, and voting rights and may have directed or at least ignored the introduction of crack cocaine into the African American community. He vetoed US political pressure to end apartheid in South Africa and had to be overridden by his own congress. He was extremely pro dictator. Reagan supported the brutal regime in El Salvador when it was widely known that they were killing civilians, including Americans. After four American nuns were murdered by Salvadorian soldiers, Reagan’s Secretary of State defended the Salvadorians, suggesting that the nuns might have been shot while trying to run a military roadblock—but this wouldn't explain why they were also raped before they were killed. He was anti environment and clean energy. For God's sake he had Alzheimer's. How great a president could he be when he had Alzheimer's and it was actually his wife who was quietly running the country for a good while.


Btw there is also suspicion that trump may have some early dementia too based on his age and behavior. There are definitely some signs in that direction and the fact that Mike Pence has to do so much is very concerning as well.

Reagan's response to AIDS was pathetic i agree, The CDC was issuing report after report about the "new" disease to the White House, but they were ignored because Reagan didn't want to offend his fundamentalist "Christian" base. They offered nothing more than sanctimonious moralizing and condemnation.

When Reagan took office the economy was one of the double-digit inflation and high interest rates. During his first year in office, Reagan engineered the passage of $39 billion in budget cuts into law, as well as a massive 25 percent tax cut spread over three years for individual, and faster write-offs for capital investment for business.

Although inflation dropped from 13.5% in 1980 to 5.1% in 1982, a severe recession set in, with unemployment exceeding 10% in October, 1982 for the first time in forty years. The administration modified its economic policy after two years by proposing selected tax increases and budget cuts to control rising deficits and higher interest rates. After the 1982 downturn, the reduced inflation rate (under 5% for the remainder of the administration) sparked record economic growth, and produced one of the lowest unemployment rates in modern U.S. history (unemployment hit a 14 year low in June of 1988). As Reagan left office, the nation was experiencing its sixth consecutive year of economic prosperity.

Reagan led the battle for a Social Security reform bill designed to ensure the long-term solvency of the system...

Reagan encouraged the development of "private sector initiatives" as well as federalism, with the objective of transferring from the federal government some of the responsibilities believed to be better served by private business or state and local government.

At the heart of Reagan's foreign policy was the prevention of communist expansion.Reagan iced the cake, I'd say. His economic policies were designed to bakrupt the USSR and they did just that. Reaganomics decreased federal spending in other areas so that military could be strengthened and force the USSR to try and keep up, and ultimately overspend. Reagan forced the death of the USSR.

When Ronald Reagan became president, he had a clear vision of what the nation should be and spelled out the direction he hoped it would take during his administration. Reagan had a clear social, economic, and foreign policy agenda, and with political guile and personal persuasiveness he was able to achieve many of his goals.

 

[pcgeek11]

One thing I agree on is that it will be weird and terrible to follow up one of the classiest presidents of all time with a guy who has absolutely none.

You misspelled devisive.

 

[JSt0rm]

You misspelled devisive.

you misspelled black.

 

[ivwshane]

Reagan's response to AIDS was pathetic i agree, The CDC was issuing report after report about the "new" disease to the White House, but they were ignored because Reagan didn't want to offend his fundamentalist "Christian" base. They offered nothing more than sanctimonious moralizing and condemnation.

When Reagan took office the economy was one of the double-digit inflation and high interest rates. During his first year in office, Reagan engineered the passage of $39 billion in budget cuts into law, as well as a massive 25 percent tax cut spread over three years for individual, and faster write-offs for capital investment for business.

Although inflation dropped from 13.5% in 1980 to 5.1% in 1982, a severe recession set in, with unemployment exceeding 10% in October, 1982 for the first time in forty years. The administration modified its economic policy after two years by proposing selected tax increases and budget cuts to control rising deficits and higher interest rates. After the 1982 downturn, the reduced inflation rate (under 5% for the remainder of the administration) sparked record economic growth, and produced one of the lowest unemployment rates in modern U.S. history (unemployment hit a 14 year low in June of 1988). As Reagan left office, the nation was experiencing its sixth consecutive year of economic prosperity.

Reagan led the battle for a Social Security reform bill designed to ensure the long-term solvency of the system...

Reagan encouraged the development of "private sector initiatives" as well as federalism, with the objective of transferring from the federal government some of the responsibilities believed to be better served by private business or state and local government.

At the heart of Reagan's foreign policy was the prevention of communist expansion.Reagan iced the cake, I'd say. His economic policies were designed to bakrupt the USSR and they did just that. Reaganomics decreased federal spending in other areas so that military could be strengthened and force the USSR to try and keep up, and ultimately overspend. Reagan forced the death of the USSR.

When Ronald Reagan became president, he had a clear vision of what the nation should be and spelled out the direction he hoped it would take during his administration. Reagan had a clear social, economic, and foreign policy agenda, and with political guile and personal persuasiveness he was able to achieve many of his goals.

Is there a reason you didn't bother sourcing your plagiarism?

 

[pcgeek11]

you misspelled black.

I didn't mention any colors at all.

I said Devisive. Are you arguing that he is not.

 

[Kazukian]

Yeah that's a total bullshit OP.

Let's have national recount and deal with dead and ineligible voters, ok?

You think there's less than 2.7 million? Oh no!

No. Fuck off.

Trump will be the best president in your lifetime, like it or not.

Heh, you're barking at the wrong person