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A.Gonzles Opposed By Retired Military

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1. A dozen high-ranking retired military officers took the unusual step yesterday of signing a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee expressing "deep concern" over the nomination of White House counsel Alberto R. Gonzales as attorney general, marking a rare military foray into the debate over a civilian post.

The group includes retired Army Gen. John M. Shalikashvili, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The officers are one of several groups to separately urge the Senate to sharply question Gonzales during a confirmation hearing Thursday about his role in shaping legal policies on torture and interrogation methods.

In addition to Shalikashvili, other prominent signatories to the letter include retired Marine Gen. Joseph P. Hoar, former chief of the Central Command; former Air Force Chief of Staff Merrill A. McPeak; and Lt. Gen. Claudia J. Kennedy, the Army's first female three-star general.

Richard H. Kohn, a military historian at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill who specializes in military-civilian affairs, said the letter is extremely rare, if not unprecedented.

"I don't know of any precedent for something like this," Kohn said. "A retired group of military officers bands together to virtually oppose a Cabinet nominee? And a non-military one? It is highly unusual, to say the least."



2. WASHINGTON, Dec. 15 - Several former high-ranking military lawyers say they are discussing ways to oppose President Bush's nomination of Alberto R. Gonzales to be attorney general, asserting that Mr. Gonzales's supervision of legal memorandums that appeared to sanction harsh treatment of detainees, even torture, showed unsound legal judgment.

Hearings before the Senate Judiciary Committee on the nomination are expected to begin next month. While Mr. Gonzales is expected to be confirmed, objections from former generals and admirals would be a setback and an embarrassment for him and the White House.

Rear Adm. John D. Hutson, who served as the Navy's judge advocate general from 1997 to 2000 before he retired, said that while Mr. Gonzales might be a lawyer of some stature, "I think the role that he played in the one thing that I am familiar with is tremendously shortsighted."

Brig. Gen. James Cullen, retired from the Army, said on Wednesday that he believed that in supervising the memorandums, Mr. Gonzales had purposely ignored the advice of lawyers whose views did not accord with the conclusions he sought, which was that there was some legal justification for illegal behavior.

"He went forum-shopping," General Cullen said, saying Mr. Gonzales had ignored the advice of military lawyers adamantly opposed to some of the legal strategies adopted, including narrowly defining torture so as to make it difficult to prove it occurred. "When you create these kinds of policies that can eventually be used against your own soldiers, when we say 'only follow the Geneva Conventions as much as it suits us,' when we take steps that the common man would understand is torture, this undermines what we are supposed to be, and many of us find it appalling," he said.

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ChickenHawks don't care about what the military has to say.. I have a feeling that Mr. Bush better take a good look at what these Military Officers have to say..

I have a lot of respect for them coming forward to honestly speak their HEARTS!

Bush was a disgusting fool for ever choosing this creep as Ashcrofts replacement..

 
Gonzales possesses the qualities most sought after in the Bush Admin- total loyalty, and a willingness to find a way to justify any methods to serve the agenda.

Which is precisely why he's a lousy choice for AG, and why these folks oppose his appointment...

He'll be confirmed, anyway, given that the Senate majority has very much the same qualities themselves...
 
He's the Bush Administration equivalent of Goebbels

Big Al

When Bush was the Governor of Texas - Gonzales wrote the Death Warrants which
Bush signed with little review. He just put down the worst script for presentation to
Dubya - so they were effectively rubber stamped for execution.

DEATH PENALTY MEMOS: GONZALES'S NEGLIGENT COUNSEL: As chief legal counsel for then-Gov. Bush in Texas, Gonzales was responsible for writing a memo on the facts of each death penalty case ? Bush decided whether a defendant should live or die based on the memos. An examination of the Gonzales memoranda by the Atlantic Monthly concluded, "Gonzales repeatedly failed to apprise the governor of crucial issues in the cases at hand: ineffective counsel, conflict of interest, mitigating evidence, even actual evidence of innocence." His memos caused Bush frequently to approve executions based on "only the most cursory briefings on the issues in dispute." Rather than informing the governor of the conflicting circumstances in a case, "The memoranda seem attuned to a radically different posture, assumed by Bush from the earliest days of his administration?one in which he sought to minimize his sense of legal and moral responsibility for executions."

Gonzales was the behind the scenes source for the abuses outside the Geneva Conventions

GONZALES BELIEVES MANY GENEVA CONVENTIONS PROVISIONS ARE OBSOLETE: A 1/25/02 memo written by White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales said "the war against terrorism is a new kind of war" and "this new paradigm renders obsolete Geneva's strict limitations on questioning of enemy prisoners and renders quaint some of its provisions." The memo pushes to make al Qaeda and Taliban detainees exempt from the Geneva Conventions' provisions on the proper, legal treatment of prisoners. The administration has been adamant that prisoners at Guantanamo are not protected by the Geneva Conventions

Alberto Gonzales: A Record of Injustice

As White House Counsel

GONZALES APPROVED MEMO AUTHORIZING TORTURE: An August 2002 Justice Department memo "was vetted by a larger number of officials, including...the White House counsel's office and Vice President Cheney's office." According to Newsweek, the memo "was drafted after White House meetings convened by George W. Bush's chief counsel, Alberto Gonzales, along with Defense Department general counsel William Haynes and [Cheney counsel] David Addington." The memo included the opinion that laws prohibiting torture do "not apply to the President's detention and interrogation of enemy combatants." Further, the memo puts forth the opinion that the pain caused by an interrogation must include "injury such as death, organ failure, or serious impairment of body functions?in order to constitute torture." The methods outlined in the memo "provoked concerns within the CIA about possible violation of the federal torture law [and] also raised concerns at the FBI, where some agents knew of the techniques being used" overseas on high-level al Qaeda officials.



Gonzales helped cover up Bush's DUI record

GONZALES GETS BUSH OUT OF JURY DUTY TO KEEP DUI SECRET: In 1996, as counsel to Gov. Bush, Gonzales helped to get him excused from jury duty, "a situation that could have required the governor to disclose his then-secret 1976 conviction for drunken driving in Maine." Gonzales argued "that if Bush served, he would not, as governor, be able to pardon the defendant in the future."

Our man at Enron . . .

GONZALES DOES ENRON'S BIDDING: As an elected member of the Texas Supreme Court, "Enron and Enron's law firm were Gonzales's biggest contributors," giving him $35,450 in 2000. Overall, Gonzales raked in $100,000 from the energy industry. In May 2000, "Gonzales was author of a state Supreme Court opinion that handed the energy industry one of its biggest Texas legal victories in recent history." Since Bush brought him into the White House, Gonzales has worked doggedly to keep secret the details of energy task force meetings held by Vice President Cheney.

Loyalty has it's price, ethics be dammed . . .

ACCEPTING DONATIONS FROM LITIGANTS: In the weeks between hearing oral arguments and making a decision in Henson v. Texas Farm Bureau Mutual Insurance, Justice Alberto Gonzales collected a $2,000 contribution premium from the Texas Farm Bureau (which runs the defendant insurance company in this case). In another case, Gonzales pocketed a $2,500 contribution from a law firm defending the Royal Insurance company just before hearing oral arguments in Embrey v. Royal Insurance.
 
Originally posted by: Czar
cant belive he actualy manage to find someone worse than Ashcroft

Oh don't worry, he won't stay there long. This is just a stepping stone to the Supreme Court.
 
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: Czar
cant belive he actualy manage to find someone worse than Ashcroft

Oh don't worry, he won't stay there long. This is just a stepping stone to the Supreme Court.
:shocked:

Those wishing to notify your Senators of your opposition to this asshat can EASILY do so here.

Please do so.

And thank you, Captn, for your chillingly informative post!
 
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: Czar
cant belive he actualy manage to find someone worse than Ashcroft

Oh don't worry, he won't stay there long. This is just a stepping stone to the Supreme Court.

heheh 🙂
Hopefully this petition helps.
 
interesting of texas. that they would call the Governor for Jury duty. how does jury duty work in texas?

In california atleast for me, you could state your reason and provide proof, such as for my family we're all self employed. If our office closes 3-4 employees are out of a job for however long the process takes. Never seen a notice since 92.

wouldn't Bush have more pressing matters do deal with as governor? Ignore your dislike of bush or whatever. And ask yourself wouldn't a governor have other issues to deal with? Or even a state congressman should they be called.

I find it very strange these people could be called.

 
The White House withholding information? Nooooooooooooooo... At least this time Senators are being made to feel the way normal citizens do, hey wait, does this count as "uniting" ?
 
Originally posted by: dahunan
ChickenHawks don't care about what the military has to say.. I have a feeling that Mr. Bush better take a good look at what these Military Officers have to say..

I have a lot of respect for them coming forward to honestly speak their HEARTS!

Bush was a disgusting fool for ever choosing this creep as Ashcrofts replacement..

Funny, I didn't realize that a small group of retired flag officers spoke for the entire military. I would venture a guess that most of the military actually supports the strong interrogation of terrorists to save American military lives, especially after they've seen their fellow countrymen blown up by roadside bombs.

Incidentally, McPeak is a loon. He's widely regarded as having done a great deal of damage to the Air Force during his tenure.
 
Originally posted by: AndrewR
Originally posted by: dahunan
ChickenHawks don't care about what the military has to say.. I have a feeling that Mr. Bush better take a good look at what these Military Officers have to say..

I have a lot of respect for them coming forward to honestly speak their HEARTS!

Bush was a disgusting fool for ever choosing this creep as Ashcrofts replacement..

Funny, I didn't realize that a small group of retired flag officers spoke for the entire military. I would venture a guess that most of the military actually supports the strong interrogation of terrorists to save American military lives, especially after they've seen their fellow countrymen blown up by roadside bombs.

Incidentally, McPeak is a loon. He's widely regarded as having done a great deal of damage to the Air Force during his tenure.

Does most of the military supports the "strong interrogation" (torture) of American soldiers to save Iraqi lives, especially after they've seen their fellow countrymen, women, and children killed and "strongly interrogated"? Are they sharp enough to understand the Geneva Convention was written to protect them?


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