A fun game in alternative history: If Arabs won in 1948...

[SamurAchzar]

A reference to www.palestineremembered.com got me thinking: If the Arabs had their way in 1948 - or 1973 - what would have been left of Israel and the Jewish people inside it?

Do you think there would be:

1. Attempt to coexist under an Arab/Muslim regime, perhaps even as equals?
2. Massive deportation?
3. Rape and massacre?

 

[fallout man]

A reference to www.palestineremembered.com got me thinking: If the Arabs had their way in 1948 - or 1973 - what would have been left of Israel and the Jewish people inside it?

Do you think there would be:

1. Attempt to coexist under an Arab/Muslim regime, perhaps even as equals?
2. Massive deportation?
3. Rape and massacre?

Cool story, Bro.

 

[fallout man]

On a more serious note:

Can you please clarify what exactly it is you mean by "Attempt to coexist under Arab/Muslim regime?"

I was under the impression, based on the info graciously provided by our resident knee-jerkin' hasbarists, that the "Ay-rabes" and the "Muss-limes" were all in the same... bent on destruction of all that is good and Judao-Christian. Praise the Lord!

Would there be an attempt to coexist with the Aye-rabbs, or the Muss-limes?

Also, Please elaborate on what you consider to be "massive deportation."

I would also really appreciate your clarification of the "rape and massacre" bit. Given the history of the region, are you trying to imply that there would be more, or less "massacre?"

 

[sandorski]

It would be just like before, #1.

I realize that seems ghastly to you. Sorry.

 

[JS80]

1) Jews would be exiled.
2) Arabs would now fight amongst each other.
3) "palestine" would be a desert shithole no one wants to live in.

 

[Lemon law]

No the whole thread is absurd, because we can play all kinds of what if games thereafter.

The fact is the Arabs lost and not the other way around, the facts is that Israel in a better world would have then treated Palestinians and Jews more equally after the Arabs lost, and we are still asking those wouda coulda questions of what could have been now.

In short, until some balance of fairness is restored, we will never know peace in the mideast.

Maybe an understanding of where all sides went wrong might be productive, but the facts are and remain, we keep fucking up by repeating the same failed mistakes while building the fuckups higher and deeper.

When are we going to learn that is the wrong song man.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

A reference to www.palestineremembered.com got me thinking: If the Arabs had their way in 1948 - or 1973 - what would have been left of Israel and the Jewish people inside it?

Do you think there would be:

1. Attempt to coexist under an Arab/Muslim regime, perhaps even as equals?
2. Massive deportation?
3. Rape and massacre?

I'll go with mass gang rape and genocidal massacre.

1) Jews would be exiled.
2) Arabs would now fight amongst each other.
3) "palestine" would be a desert shithole no one wants to live in.

This is probably correct except for the part about the Jews being exiled; unless you meant that their dead bodies that would have been exiled.

 

[Tom]

I hear there are a million Palestinians in Israel, is that true ?

I doubt there would be a million Jews living in Palestine.

 

[JSt0rm]

once we have all your oil I take option 4. Who gives a fuck.

 

[Infohawk]

Jews would be kicked out or persecuted.
Palestine would be like Egypt.
Less terrorism against the US.
More Jews in US.

 

[ScottyB]

B, A, B, A, B, Select, Select, A, A, A, Up, Down, Right, Left, Up, Up, Select, Start

 

[Ozoned]

In short, until some balance of fairness is restored, we will never know peace in the mideast.

I agree. I just don't know how the Arabs will react if we give israel a proportional share of the Arab lands, in exchange for a proportional share of the West bank and other questioned territories.

 

[yllus]

1) Jews would be exiled.
2) Arabs would now fight amongst each other.
3) "Palestine" would be a desert shithole no one wants to live in.

once we have all your oil I take option 4. Who gives a fuck.

Both sound accurate.

 

[MotF Bane]

3 followed by 2.

 

[Pneumothorax]

The big question would be is... "Would there been a 9-11?"

 

[JEDIYoda]

No the whole thread is absurd, because we can play all kinds of what if games thereafter.

The fact is the Arabs lost and not the other way around, the facts is that Israel in a better world would have then treated Palestinians and Jews more equally after the Arabs lost, and we are still asking those wouda coulda questions of what could have been now.

In short, until some balance of fairness is restored, we will never know peace in the mideast.

Maybe an understanding of where all sides went wrong might be productive, but the facts are and remain, we keep fucking up by repeating the same failed mistakes while building the fuckups higher and deeper.

When are we going to learn that is the wrong song man.

A balance of fairness???
as in you get 1 tank...we get one tank...you get one f-16 we get one f-16??
The balance need not come from the Israeli side....
The problem is the Palestinian people do not have the will to elect a government that is not hell bent on destroying Israel........no balance of fairness will ever come into play as long as you have more than one entity in Palestine who does not care about Peace or the Palestinian people...that entity I am talking about is NOt Israel...it`s Hamas and Hezbollah....and whatever other faction wants Israeli`s dead.....

O)kay--I am now waiting for all the Palestinian sympathizer to rise up in arms..lol

 

[0marTheZealot]

The big question would be is... "Would there been a 9-11?"

Probably, but done by the Jews. Remember, at the turn of the century, it was Jewish terrorists blowing up cars in crowded streets, exploding apartment complexes and all sorts of other terrorist acts in order to push the creation of Israel.

 

[Carmen813]

Probably, but done by the Jews. Remember, at the turn of the century, it was Jewish terrorists blowing up cars in crowded streets, exploding apartment complexes and all sorts of other terrorist acts in order to push the creation of Israel.

I thought we were all worried about computers blowing up the world at the turn of the century.

 

[0marTheZealot]

I thought we were all worried about computers blowing up the world at the turn of the century.

my bad, the other turn of the century

 

[EagleKeeper]

Beruit still would have been a playground for hte Middle East.

The Palestinians would still be unable to support their current population due to lack of agriculture.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Beruit still would have been a playground for hte Middle East.

The Palestinians would still be unable to support their current population due to lack of agriculture.

If I may add.....the Palestinians would still be electing people who have no care for the Palestinian people!

 

[Lemon law]

Maybe we can take the self professed JEDIYoda fairness standard of, " A balance of fairness??? as in you get 1 tank...we get one tank...you get one f-16 we get one f-16??",
we somehow get a clue of what the JEDIYoda Israeli fairness is, namely Israel gets all the planes and tanks, and then Israeli can do what it wants to be unfair to Palestinians as its robbed them of their land and herded them into concentration camps.

Maybe the JEDIYoda thinking accurately sums up the current mid-east situation, but its not what anyone with brains regards as a vision of fair and equal treatment of Israeli Jews and Palestinians.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Lemon Law,

This simple assumption on "what if" goes, in my eyes, to clarify several points:

1. No Arab country, let alone Arab population, was ever in an existential danger because of Israel. Ever. If Israel wasn't attacked in 1948, I'm pretty certain it would not go to war over anything. The population was non-aggressive - many well educated European Jews who ran away from the issues in Europe. I can't see them initiating a war to expand their territory, although no one can know for sure;

2. For the Arabs, it was always a matter of respect more than anything else. They feel - justly - robbed and invaded. But this is weighed against the very existence of the Jewish people. One side feels injustice, while the other fears for its collective lives;

3. All considered, Israel showed more restraint and civility in its conflicts than any other country around. Israel name is many times brought up with allegations of ethnic cleansing; this is of course bullshit. So far, the only country to attempt ethnic cleansing of Palestinians was Jordan (Black September);

4. However good intentioned you are, you still have to operate in a certain environment. That of the middle east can not be compared to Quebec. Your adversaries have certain moral and ways of operation, you have to adjust. If they fight from populated area, you WILL be forced to shoot into population, can't escape it. You can only try to minimize your losses;

5. The most amazing thing is - can you point at another country which is hanging on the brink of extinction like Israel? Which ONE country in the world got attacked over and over again by a multitude of countries and organizations, many times its size? It has no example anywhere.
Arabs have lost many wars and some territories but they are all still standing. An Israeli defeat would surely be a 2nd holocaust.

This is why, in my eyes, Israel is perhaps the only country in the world that can morally possess nuclear weapons. While other countries do it for influence and balance, in the case of Israel, it's a matter of life and death.
If you gave Israel the choice of WMDs or complete normalization and eternal peace, I don't think it would take more than one minute for the Israelis to decide.

This is not, and it has never been, a balanced conflict. This is not between two countries fighting for territory. This is much more profound.

 

[EagleKeeper]

If I may add.....the Palestinians would still be electing people who have no care for the Palestinian people!

They would be living still in villages with no sense of a common government.

 

[Ozoned]

Lemon Law,

1. No Arab country, let alone Arab population, was ever in an existential danger because of Israel. Ever.

Israel and Judaism, existing as a political force, is perceived to be a threat to the existance of Islam. I think I remember reading that Mohamed said as much about the Jews.

If you are unable to seperate the religion from the state or a population group, then the definition of an "existential danger" to the Arabs would have a different meaning than it would to you.