A fully loaded 747 Hijacked Jumbo jet is shot down down by Fighter planes..

Qianglong

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Or some unlucky people will have to wait until they hit the ground?

Is there any powerful Air to Air missile that can take out the whole plane at once or multiple fighters fire several missiles at once?
 

FoBoT

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it really depends, but remember that when the space shuttle challenger "Blew up" , they later determined that some of the astronauts were not killed until the passenger capsule hit the water

so i would say that in most cases, some people live to fall to the ground. then the sudden stop/impact does them in
 

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No. Even when the challenger blew up they didn't all die instantly, some were living when they crashed.
 

TheNinja

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I would think that some people would not die in the initial blast. Probably depends how big the missle is that hits it. Like a huge missle would incinerate everyone. a smaller one might just take out 1/2 of the plane, leaving the other half to plunge 5 miles...ouch.
 

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Originally posted by: yobarman
Pretty sure it would explode in mid-air.


Do some research on Korean Air flight 007. The Soviets shot it down and radar/blackbox data showed it took 12 minutes to spiral into the ocean. It was shot down with a missle. Since the engines were on the wings the aircraft did not explode completly in mid air.
 

foghorn67

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Heat seaking missles will probably go after one of the engines. It's only about a 20-25 lb. warhead, and it doesn't explode on impact like a shape charge. They explode many yards out to ensure that shrapnel reaches an engine part or something vital. Most passengers might make it until the crash.
 

Qianglong

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
it really depends, but remember that when the space shuttle challenger "Blew up" , they later determined that some of the astronauts were not killed until the passenger capsule hit the water

so i would say that in most cases, some people live to fall to the ground. then the sudden stop/impact does them in

!!! what do you mean by that? the cockpit section didn't blow up together with the shuttle and they were full alive?

 
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I doubt there is a large enough air-to-air missile to take out a 747 where it would kill everyone instantly. Doubt large enough of one to even kill half of everyone.
 

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Depends on how high it is too. If it is cruising at 3x,000 feet the passengers that survive the explosion would pass out from lack of oxygen very quickly. They would most likely still be unconcious when they hit the ground.

If the plane came apart at low altitude (say 5000 feet) then yes, people would live until they hit the ground.

Missiles from a fighter are not going to turn the plane into dust so everyone will not be killed instantly.
 
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Originally posted by: Qianglong
Originally posted by: FoBoT
it really depends, but remember that when the space shuttle challenger "Blew up" , they later determined that some of the astronauts were not killed until the passenger capsule hit the water

so i would say that in most cases, some people live to fall to the ground. then the sudden stop/impact does them in

!!! what do you mean by that? the cockpit section didn't blow up together with the shuttle and they were full alive?

Supposedly yes. There was evidence recovered from the crash where the air units had been switched on, indicating that some had lived through the explosion long enough to turn them on only to pass out moments later, dying upon impact with the ocean.
 

FoBoT

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Originally posted by: Qianglong
Originally posted by: FoBoT
it really depends, but remember that when the space shuttle challenger "Blew up" , they later determined that some of the astronauts were not killed until the passenger capsule hit the water

so i would say that in most cases, some people live to fall to the ground. then the sudden stop/impact does them in

!!! what do you mean by that? the cockpit section didn't blow up together with the shuttle and they were full alive?

yeah, the part with the crew sits up on top and it got "shot" or blown off the rest of the shuttle when is exploded. most or all of them lived until the hit the ocean
 

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Originally posted by: foghorn67
Heat seaking missles will probably go after one of the engines. It's only about a 20-25 lb. warhead, and it doesn't explode on impact like a shape charge. They explode many yards out to ensure that shrapnel reaches an engine part or something vital. Most passengers might make it until the crash.

assuming the airframe isn't so damaged that it can't be controlled, a skilled pilot might be able to glide the thing in to a somewhat gentle landing.

heck, there was an avianca flight that ran out of fuel while in holding pattern for JFK, and the pilot brought the plane down and it would have been pretty safe except it hit a rock outcropping on long island.
 

Ime

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If it's a heat-seeker, almost every or everyone will survive until the plane impacts the ground/water.

If it's radar-guided, more people will die, but at least some will survive until the plane hits the ground/water.

In either case, some people will burn to death on the way down. Burning to death while falling from 30,000 feet.

Feel better now? Knowing the horrible truth?
 

iamwiz82

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: foghorn67
Heat seaking missles will probably go after one of the engines. It's only about a 20-25 lb. warhead, and it doesn't explode on impact like a shape charge. They explode many yards out to ensure that shrapnel reaches an engine part or something vital. Most passengers might make it until the crash.

assuming the airframe isn't so damaged that it can't be controlled, a skilled pilot might be able to glide the thing in to a somewhat gentle landing.

heck, there was an avianca flight that ran out of fuel while in holding pattern for JFK, and the pilot brought the plane down and it would have been pretty safe except it hit a rock outcropping on long island.

I dont think I've ever heard someone mention anything even remotely positive about Avianca 52. The Gimli Glider would have been a much better comparison, or Air Transat 236.

 

MaxDepth

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Nope. You still need those dolphins and lasers if you want to disintegrate a 747 completely.
 

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Air-to-air missles do damage by shrapnel, not by explosion. If it's hit by a heat-seeker, odds are it'll target the engines or the APU in the tail. If it goes for the tail, good bet it's going down. Aircraft can surivive with half their engines down easily.
 

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if it was hit by a long-range air-to-air tac-nuke, it would all go down at once.
 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Originally posted by: Qianglong
Originally posted by: FoBoT
it really depends, but remember that when the space shuttle challenger "Blew up" , they later determined that some of the astronauts were not killed until the passenger capsule hit the water

so i would say that in most cases, some people live to fall to the ground. then the sudden stop/impact does them in

!!! what do you mean by that? the cockpit section didn't blow up together with the shuttle and they were full alive?

Supposedly yes. There was evidence recovered from the crash where the air units had been switched on, indicating that some had lived through the explosion long enough to turn them on only to pass out moments later, dying upon impact with the ocean.


When the Challenger disintegrated, the external tank was crushed at the forward fuel dome by the rotation of
the solid rocket booster - which had the aft mount structure cut through by the gas plume leaking from the joint.
After the dome collapsed, the shuttle veered had to the side in a severe yaw and roll coupling which allowed
aerodynamic forces to fold the wings down and under the fuselage of the shuttle which ruptured the structure.
The shuttle's cabin is built like a thermos bottle - a unit inside of a larger unit. When the fuselage ruptured,
the lower level was penetrated which allowed for explosive decompression killing those 3 astronauts in that deck.
The upper cabin stayed intact, and the person in the seat behind mike smith, the pilot, turned on his air pack -
they are located so the pilot and commander cannot reach behind them to the controls.

What was left of the cabin tumbled to the ground, and fell for over 5 minutes before impact at over 200 MPH.
All of the wires and cables associated wit the electrical system that ran into the fuselage and wings were stringing
out behind and as the cabin fell and tumbled it rolled itself up in a cocoon of wires that looked like spaghetti.

When divers finally foound the cabin, they barely recognized it because of all the wound-up wire it was encased in.

Yes there was conversation all the way to the ground. One of the crew hyperventelated and used up all of their
breathing air in about 90 seconds before passing out.

 

jtvang125

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If shot with a US fighter plane it would most likely be shot down with a AIM-120 air to air missile. It's about 12ft long and 7in in diameter with a 40lb warhead. A 747 is 231 ft long with a wingspan of 211ft. Unless the missile exploded near the fuel tanks the plane isn't going to explode in a ball of fire. Like someone said, most missiles do not explode on contact but rather with a proximity fuse that explodeds near the target. There's a greater chance of a hit from a thousand pieces of shrapnel than 1 large missile.

I play a few flight sims and 1 missile usually sends the plane gliding in a trail of smoke down to the earth. 2 missiles and it's spinning out of control down to earth. Not accurate but just shows that it takes more than an air to air missile to blow up a 747.
 

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Already happened

too much conspiracy theory on that page. wikipedia is unfortunate for that.

but i love the fact that you can link around to just about anything, and found this little tidbit:
22 November 2003: European Air Transport OO-DLL, operating on behalf of DHL, was hit by an SA-7 'Grail' missile after take-off from Baghdad International Airport. The aeroplane rapidly lost all hydraulic pressure and thus controls. The crew found that after extending the landing gear to create more drag, they could pilot the plane using differences in engine thrust and managed to land the plane with minimal further damage.
those pilots are hard core.