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adlep

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To summarize the project really quickly:

The overall aim is to offer similar safety and security process to the one currently on AT's FS Forums.
  • - Heatware will be featured right in the user profiles
  • - Ebay evals will be featured as well
  • - FAQs that emphasize the importance of the Heat will be present
  • - Site will feature its own internal feedback system
  • - TrollHunters are strongly encouraged to take a part in the project. I will cooperate fully with their suggestions/requests
  • - Users from all forums are welcome. No flame wars or forum wars are allowed. We may disagree about our reviews and benchmarks, however it is still OK to trade with each other for a mutual benefit
  • - 90% of the PCs sold do not have a dedicated GPU. We need to bring more people in
  • - The site will feature control panel tools that will make easier to manage trades
  • - The service is free to both sellers and buyers. We are however are going to be adsense sponsored, so please - whitelist our service in adblock so that we can grow it and stay free

Please vote :)
Also, if someone has an idea about the feature, please do not be shy, I my have forgotten something really important.
 

fk49

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All of this sounds great!
But forgive me..what is heatware?

Also, two suggestions:
-I noticed in your "buying process" that buyers could send a "lowball" offer to the seller. Why not take a step further and allow prospective buyers to make buying offers like "Looking for 8800gt at $200". Then you could sort the buying offers from highest to lowest and let people with the requested cards fill the offer.

-Also, you could try and set up some system for people who might want to trade video cards + cash for another video card, or vice versa, sort of like EVGA's step up program. Don't know how popular it would be though
 

adlep

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Originally posted by: bob4432
not trying to be a d!ck, but why wouldn't i just use AT's FS/FT forum?

Glad that you asked. Few reasons come to mind:

1. Selection.
The video card trading site is a neutral and vendor independent platform focused on trading, so there is no reason why people from all online communities could not get together and swap the video cards. I estimate that the overall selection will be at least few times greater than on the AT FS Forum.

2. Prices.
Big selection means lower prices. No listing fees means that the sellers will save at least 5% when compared to Ebay. Also, shipping charges will be vigorously looked at as well. Overcharging for shipping will not be tolerated.

3. Convenience.
Buyers will be able to browse through available cards quicker and easier than it is currently possible at AT FS section. You will be able to use a quick nav feature to go exactly where you want, you will be able to search for a specific card, search by a budget range, filter the results by the interface and vendor. All of that will be quicker than on the AT FS section.
Both sellers and byers will have an access to a set of tools that will make it easier to manage the trades, stay in touch, and look up the completed trades. Think of the interface as a free and much simpler ebay like cp.
Sellers can use the video card trading platform to upload photos of the card for free.

If you need a more detailed overview, let me know...
:)
 

adlep

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Originally posted by: fk49
All of this sounds great!

Also, two suggestions:
-I noticed in your "buying process" that buyers could send a "lowball" offer to the seller. Why not take a step further and allow prospective buyers to make buying offers like "Looking for 8800gt at $200". Then you could sort the buying offers from highest to lowest and let people with the requested cards fill the offer.

-Also, you could try and set up some system for people who might want to trade video cards + cash for another video card, or vice versa, sort of like EVGA's step up program. Don't know how popular it would be though

Your suggestions are interesting. It would be something to evaluate in the 2nd increment of the video card trading platform.
 

adlep

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Just to let you know, I am still around and almost ready with the ver. 1.0 of the service....
The engine is almost done, but I still need to work on the text, trading rules, and the help part. I plan to use screencasts and downloadable pdfs in the help section.
Also, IMO the site will be easy to use.
:)
 

adlep

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Traffic I want :D as my vacation money is pretty much gone at this time - they all have been invested in development of the site.
Also, I have great plans for the service because we need a 4th alternative to EBay, Craigslist, and forums trading.
Hopefully you guys will like the site. I can not be successful without the sign of approval from the enthusiast community.

Last but not least, maybe someone who is more experienced with web development can advise:
I have decided to go with a managed VPS setup from Wired Tree here:
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://www.wiredtree.co.........?plan=6&step=2"><a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://www.wiredtree.com/o.......php?plan=6&step=2"><a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://www.wiredtree.com/orde...ders.php?plan=6&step=2"><a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://www.wiredtree.com/orders/orders.php?plan=6&step=2">https://www.wiredtree............step=2</a></a></a></a>
I know that even such an entry level VPS is still a magnitude faster from a shared web hosting account. But, do you have any comments in terms of a real life traffic capability of such a VPS account?
The site is based around smf forums and a dedicated custom add-on to it.
 

adlep

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Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
ebay?

What?

Edit: One word is not enough for a constructive feedback. It forces me to second guess the intention of the post.
 

adlep

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Sorry to resurrect the old thread, but my site is almost ready. I will try to formally introduce the new service this week
 

AVP

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Awesome! Even though the card i have to sell is garbage, i will be putting up an old mx440 for $5 + shipping just to try out and try to promote your new site! Out of curiosity where else have you advertised / tried to get help with this?
 

adlep

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Originally posted by: AVP
Awesome! Even though the card i have to sell is garbage, i will be putting up an old mx440 for $5 + shipping just to try out and try to promote your new site! Out of curiosity where else have you advertised / tried to get help with this?

Well,
I got a lucky break as the old guard over at Overclockers.com will run a piece about the site once it is ready. I will also get a mention over at the GPUreview.com
That combined with few threads here at AT should be enough to get it started...

Regards,
Adam
 

thilanliyan

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Originally posted by: adlep
Originally posted by: krnmastersgt
And what of the people, such as me, who have no heat but wish to buy/sell their card? :p

No heat?
For crying out loud, go and set up your heat right now!
Do you at least have some Ebay feedback?
If no, you ship or pay first...
:p

So you'll be integrating ebay feedback as well? I have nothing from heatware but have sold a lot of stuff including computer parts over ebay.
 

adlep

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Originally posted by: thilan29
Originally posted by: adlep
Originally posted by: krnmastersgt
And what of the people, such as me, who have no heat but wish to buy/sell their card? :p

No heat?
For crying out loud, go and set up your heat right now!
Do you at least have some Ebay feedback?
If no, you ship or pay first...
:p

So you'll be integrating ebay feedback as well? I have nothing from heatware but have sold a lot of stuff including computer parts over ebay.

To clarify, the EBay feedback is not integrated as it is a property of a multibillion dollar company.
However, you can reference your EBay ID right in the public profile of the service. It will be clearly accessible/visible and it WILL enhance your status as an established trader.
 

adlep

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Major Update: 7/23/2008

Service is ready, but I wanted to give the owners and mods of anandtech.com the opportunity to check out the site FIRST and give me feedback and guidelines in regards to writing about the site on AT Forums.


Here is a list of what you can expect to see. This sample pdf outlines some of the features of the site (name has been taken off).

I also have some positive developments to report:
Patrick Norton from ex. TechTV has decided to write me back and he thinks that the site is a good idea. He is also spreading the word "up" about the site throughout his contacts.

Joe Citarella from the "old guard" overclockers.com has also established contact.

Michael Thomas from GPUReview.com has shared his support for the site as well. He has also shared some web admin tips with me.

So far all of the people who had a chance to check the site out, did not have any major problems with it.
I hope to be able to share the name of the service soon with all of you, but I have to get the guidelines from the mods first.
Regards,
A.
 

God Mode

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IMO, no videocard warranty or personal credit tied feedback accountability system like ebay/paypal puts a damper on such a service. I'm noticing a lot of RMA's for the newer high performance videocards. I would estimate many need to be RMA'ed after a year based on reading various pc forums.

Also, seasoned forum traders know when to bite and when to stay away. Newbies can be naive and negligent on proper procedures.

I've already bought a few faulty videocards from various forums and I expect a lot of scammers and nit pickers. Do you have the resources to deal with all of that? You could be setting yourself up for a huge liability if you're making money with ads. But I'm not a lawyer and everyones experience and perspective is different to mine so..
 

Zap

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Originally posted by: God Mode
IMO, no videocard warranty

Generally speaking (with one or two exceptions) video cards that have longer warranties such as lifetime are only for the original owner.
 

adlep

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Originally posted by: God Mode
IMO, no videocard warranty or personal credit tied feedback accountability system like ebay/paypal puts a damper on such a service. I'm noticing a lot of RMA's for the newer high performance videocards. I would estimate many need to be RMA'ed after a year based on reading various pc forums.

Also, seasoned forum traders know when to bite and when to stay away. Newbies can be naive and negligent on proper procedures.

I've already bought a few faulty videocards from various forums and I expect a lot of scammers and nit pickers. Do you have the resources to deal with all of that? You could be setting yourself up for a huge liability if you're making money with ads. But I'm not a lawyer and everyones experience and perspective is different to mine so..

Let me start by saying that the bottom line is this: This service has a potential to offer MASSIVE deals on video cards. I have thought a lot about pros/cons of such a service and decided that ultimately it would be a shame to not try to improve the current trading "status quo". I have decided that few potential "rotten apples" (bad traders) should not be a deternet againt at least trying to come up with something better....

IMO, no videocard warranty or personal credit tied feedback accountability system like ebay/paypal puts a damper on such a service. I'm noticing a lot of RMA's for the newer high performance videocards. I would estimate many need to be RMA'ed after a year based on reading various pc forums.

  • * To address your concerns, my site features a fully developed feedback system comparable to the one featured on other sites - such us heatware.
  • * On the other hand, people should have realistic expectations. Cards will frequently be sold at prices that are much lower than a comparable retail tag. Ultimately, it is up to a buyer to decide if a good deal on a used hardware is worth the risk over the regularly priced NEW item from the store.
  • * Also, public profiles of users feature references to the heatware ID and EBay ID. When trading exercise caution and common sense. Deal only with those buyers and sellers that have well established trading credentials.
  • * One of the main trading rules on the site states this:
    WARNING. VGATrader.com is NOT A JUNKYARD. Do not sell damaged or not working video cards through our site. All items listed through our service are assumed to be functional. Violation of that policy will lead to a prompt removal of the offending seller?s account.
    Hence sellers have to provide for at least a DOA warranty.
  • * I am not really sure what will happen after a year or so. What can I say, the risk is always there. For example, you can buy an item from the regular store and if it has only 1-yr warranty and it dies after a year and a half...That is your risk. So, while trading on my site, buy only those items that have warranty. For example I as a seller "adlep" will offer 3 months of warranty on my cards. Unofficially of course if the card features a lifetime warranty and it is registered under MY name, I won't leave you hanging... I am sure that there will be a lot of sellers with who will offer similar policies...:)

Also, seasoned forum traders know when to bite and when to stay away. Newbies can be naive and negligent on proper procedures.

I've already bought a few faulty videocards from various forums and I expect a lot of scammers and nit pickers. Do you have the resources to deal with all of that? You could be setting yourself up for a huge liability if you're making money with ads. But I'm not a lawyer and everyones experience and perspective is different to mine so.

My site is free and it has similar legal disclaimers as the one featured on the forums and the craigslist. Enter at your own risk. We can not be held liable for actions of other people that use our platform.
However, through the use of the feedback system, intelligent and clear trading procedures, and smart moderation it will be a good option of trading - and safer than the Craigslist.
As we grow, I am sure that we will develop extra safety mechanisms. On the other hand, what can you do?
EBay for example, is a giant. It is a multibillion dollar company with a lot of resources. In spite of all that, EBay scams happen all the time...When you deal with people risk is always there, however it can be managed.

Is my site perfect?
No.
But it is a step in the right direction and a starting point. :) I hope to see you there btw.
 

adlep

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Originally posted by: Zap
Originally posted by: God Mode
IMO, no videocard warranty

Generally speaking (with one or two exceptions) video cards that have longer warranties such as lifetime are only for the original owner.

I will try to contact various board makers so that every card sold through my service will retain the warranty. I am not sure if it will happen, but it is definitely my goal.
 

God Mode

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Let me start by saying that the bottom line is this: This service has a potential to offer MASSIVE deals on video cards. I have thought a lot about pros/cons of such a service and decided that ultimately it would be a shame to not try to improve the current trading "status quo". I have decided that few potential "rotten apples" (bad traders) should not be a deternet again at least trying to come up with something better....

Why would people suddenly start selling their videocards at massive deal prices when they seem to have no problems using various forums or ebay for maximum profit? The people that list their parts at obscene prices (anandtech fs forum included) seem to not care whether it sells or not. They just bump it repeatedly for months on end.

* To address your concerns, my site features a fully developed feedback system comparable to the one featured on other sites - such us heatware.

How is it any more safer, effective or different than how its done right now?

* Also, public profiles of users feature references to the heatware ID and EBay ID. When trading exercise caution and common sense. Deal only with those buyers and sellers that have well established trading credentials.

So far, this sound identical to the system already in place at various forums, ebay, craigslist etc so what is the allure of using a unknown startup site to sell/buy items?

* One of the main trading rules on the site states this:
WARNING. VGATrader.com is NOT A JUNKYARD. Do not sell damaged or not working video cards through our site. All items listed through our service are assumed to be functional. Violation of that policy will lead to a prompt removal of the offending seller?s account.
Hence sellers have to provide for at least a DOA warranty.

So its tough noogie for both sellers or buyers that get scammed. How would a new buyer be protected from a well established seller that sold a defective card whether they had knowledge of it or not? Members with higher feedback ala post count would yield benefit of the doubt more so than to a newer person.

How would an honest seller be protected from a buyer that damaged the product by their own accord? I dont see how this is any different than how its done currently in the forums and sites such as ebay. A don't steal sign doesnt make thieves any less willing to steal.

* I am not really sure what will happen after a year or so. What can I say, the risk is always there. For example, you can buy an item from the regular store and if it has only 1-yr warranty and it dies after a year and a half...That is your risk. So, while trading on my site, buy only those items that have warranty. For example I as a seller "adlep" will offer 3 months of warranty on my cards. Unofficially of course if the card features a lifetime warranty and it is registered under MY name, I won't leave you hanging... I am sure that there will be a lot of sellers with who will offer similar policies...

How would this policy be enforced? What incentive does a seller have for providing a personal warranty for a videocard they sold to a stranger? Was it abused or mishandled? Would the seller be compensated for return and associated shipping costs and the time they take to RMA the card they sold at a discount price? In the end, any sort of problem sounds very costly and would negate any potential savings.

The card couldve been functioning perfectly but in the hands of a newbie after a few days to mere hours in a dusty computer case with no fans to dangerous handling of hardware... Paypal protection has a finite timeframe before the matter is considered closed and videocard manufacturers can potentially void a warranty/RMA for whatever reason.

My site is free and it has similar legal disclaimers as the one featured on the forums and the craigslist. Enter at your own risk. We can not be held liable for action of other people that use our platform.
However, through the use of the feedback system, intelligent and clear trading procedures, and smart moderation, it will be a good option of trading that is at least bit safer than the Craigslist.

Craigslist would be more ideal to many people than trusting a total stranger thousand of miles away to honor a deal. Especially so compared to a small startup site that disclaims any liability. We have that already and its called Buy/Sell forums. How is your feedback system, intelligent and clear trading procedures and moderation any different than current systems? What is the main element or attraction to use this service? Is it no fees only?

As we grow, I am sure that we will develop extra safety mechanisms. On the other hand, what can you do? EBay for example, is a giant. It is a multibillion dollar company with a lot of resources. In spite of all that, EBay scams happen all the time...Risk is always there but it can be managed.

So it's filled with unproven promises and offers no additional incentive other than no fees as such from ebay? Paypal fees would still be inccured for most people. An established community like the forums where people tend to be more closer and reactive to each other or ebay which has credit cards and bank accounts linked to each seller would appear safer to most people. Of course nothing is guarenteed.

I genuinely hope your site succeeds and the work and courage to create something like this is never easy. I hope my repetitive and generic questions will give you some insight on what you will write on your disclaimers and policies. Especially since I assume many people will tend to repeatedly ask the same questions I just did. :)
 

God Mode

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Originally posted by: adlep
Originally posted by: Zap
Originally posted by: God Mode
IMO, no videocard warranty

Generally speaking (with one or two exceptions) video cards that have longer warranties such as lifetime are only for the original owner.

I will try to contact various board makers so that every card sold through my service will retain the warranty. I am not sure if it will happen, but it is definitely my goal.

Sadly, this would cut into new sales for the manufacturers. Capitalism in place, this is very unlikely to even get a reply. It reminds me of the fiasco with RIAA where they claim that selling a used CD was considered a crime. Very cool to see someone try though.
 

bob4432

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Originally posted by: God Mode
I genuinely hope your site succeeds and the work and courage to create something like this is never easy. I hope my repetitive and generic questions will give you some insight on what you will write on your disclaimers and policies. Especially since I assume many people will tend to repeatedly ask the same questions I just did. :)

same thing i have been saying since i first viewed this idea on 2/22/08, but nonetheless, good luck to the op....