A few reasons I am still Proud to be an American!!

[MotF Bane]

Also, France has 1 such ship.

DeGaulle doesn't even compare.

 

[Darwin333]

Without US intervention, people in France would most likely be under Russian control since areas captured by the Russians went that way. Example: East Germany was controlled by Russians while West Germany was controlled by Americans.

You are absolutely right about Russia's involvement in WW2 but just to be clear, is your point that they wouldn't be speaking German but instead would be speaking Russian? I am not sure the latter is better in anyway, quite possibly worse actually.

 

[werepossum]

This attitude of "everyone owes us everything until the end of time" is why so many people hate the US.

Since general Powell is not a retard, I'm guessing he never actually said this. He knows damn well that the US has a long history of fucking with other countries and assassinating democratically elected leaders. Iran 1953 anyone? The US also overthrew numerous elected governments in Latin America. Taking out a democratically elected government and replacing it with your favorite dictator is not a "fight for freedom."

I'm guessing this never actually happened. Engineers know what ships do. Also, France has 1 such ship.

So basically the American made a complete fool of himself by not having a clue who really won World War 2? Hint: a huge majority of it was Russia. USA, Canada, Britain, etc didn't even reach the mainland until June 1944. Russians were fighting the germans nonstop since 1941.

The Brits, Aussies, and Canadians had been fighting the Germans since 1939, when Uncle Joe Stalin was still happily invading Poland by agreement with Hitler (or as you know him, Bush.) You may also want to educate yourself on what percentage of the Russian military operated on US aid, including the vast majority of their trucks and much of their food. However let me urge you to immigrate to Russia, since you apparently find it so preferable to the USA. You'll be happier and by doing so you will certainly improve one country - though it probably won't be Russia.

 

[ShawnD1]

Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of nations.
-Albert Einstein

What would Einstein know about this? He was just some Jew who was chased out of his homeland by German nationalists who.... oh 😛

The Brits, Aussies, and Canadians had been fighting the Germans since 1939

And yet you won't see a Canadian, Brit, or Aussie go around saying "you'd all be speaking German if we didn't save you." In these countries, the war was seen as defensive. Britain was just trying to stay alive. Similarly, Russia was just trying to preserve itself, and Russians realize this. Educated Americans understand who did the majority of the fighting against Germany and accept it. Uneducated Americans take credit for things Russia did and think France should not be allowed to express itself as a sovereign nation. This thread is a perfect example of uneducated Americans making the educated Americans look bad - how dare France want to withdraw from NATO or expect Americans and Brits to carry passports.

Also, I don't think WW2 vets would appreciate how the younger generation sees all of them as being stationed in Europe. Most of the US efforts were against Japan. A good way to respect people who fight in a war is to at least remember WHO they were fighting against.

 

[Elias824]

What would Einstein know about this? He was just some Jew who was chased out of his homeland by German nationalists who.... oh 😛



And yet you won't see a Canadian, Brit, or Aussie go around saying "you'd all be speaking German if we didn't save you." In these countries, the war was seen as defensive. Britain was just trying to stay alive. Similarly, Russia was just trying to preserve itself, and Russians realize this. Educated Americans understand who did the majority of the fighting against Germany and accept it. Uneducated Americans take credit for things Russia did and think France should not be allowed to express itself as a sovereign nation. This thread is a perfect example of uneducated Americans making the educated Americans look bad - how dare France want to withdraw from NATO or expect Americans and Brits to carry passports.

Also, I don't think WW2 vets would appreciate how the younger generation sees all of them as being stationed in Europe. Most of the US efforts were against Japan. A good way to respect people who fight in a war is to at least remember WHO they were fighting against.

Your posts amaze me. The point is the U.S didn't have to do pretty much any of this, but we did. Look at what Russia did after WW2, they took eastern Europe as a consolation prize and kept them under their tyrannical grip for 50 years.

You talk about us having a long history of fucking with other countries, but looks at the countries you mentioned Britain, France, Russia remember how these countries had huge empires that spanned the world, how much fucking did with other countries did these guys do? I wouldn't even know where to begin. Everyone bitches when we dont come to their rescue, but they bad mouth everything we do. Perhaps we should have sat WW2 out and you could have Europe speaking Russian or German.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Your not telling anybody anything they did not already know....
My question is simple - Why do you hate America so much?

Regardless of the facts quite a few Americans lost their lives in WW2, regardless of other nations losses....

Why do you hate America so much?

Why d'you need all the ego stroking and protest a few corrections so much??

 

[Elias824]

Oh also the 1953 example EVERYONE brings up, it was mostly England who didnt want the Iranian government to nationalize their oil company. We were involved but we were not the only ones.

From wiki

In 1951 with near unanimous support of Iran's parliament, Mosaddegh nationalized the British-owned Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC). "The 1933 agreement under which it was operating was widely regarded as exploitative and an infringement on Iran's sovereignty.

Britain was unwilling to negotiate its single most valuable foreign asset, and instigated a military blockade of Iran and worldwide boycott of Iranian oil to pressure Iran economically.[10] Initially, Britain mobilized its military to seize control of the Abadan oil refinery, the world's largest, but Prime Minister Attlee opted instead to tighten the economic boycott.[11] With a change to more conservative governments in both Britain and the United States, Churchill and Dwight D. Eisenhower decided to overthrow Iran's government.

Not saying we are innocent, but I think that everyone involved should assume responsibility.

 

[heyheybooboo]

A few reasons I am still Proud to be an American!!

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[DesiPower]

For the last 2 decades, Americans have also been selflessly giving away jobs and money to China, India and S Korea so that they can become next superpowers and become strong enough to curse US and reach new heights of ungratefulness.

 

[WHAMPOM]

1770's A few votes the other way and the Continental Congress would have adopted German as our national language. 1930's A few more Hitler sympathizers like grandpa Bush and America would have been an Axis ally. Wow, talk about manifest destiny!

 

[WHAMPOM]

A few reasons I am still Proud to be an American!!

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Latin babes?? Dont'ja just wanna kick'em back across the border?

 

[DesiPower]

1770's A few votes the other way and the Continental Congress would have adopted German as our national language. 1930's A few more Hitler sympathizers like grandpa Bush and America would have been an Axis ally. Wow, talk about manifest destiny!

but that "few more votes", it never happened, and that's what matters. Atleast there was a vote, that's what matters. take your stinking America hating ass and hang it somewhere else.

 

[DesiPower]

Latin babes?? Dont'ja just wanna kick'em back across the border?

that's a fine import like a Bugatti, or Lamborghini... we love them!

 

[Kirby]

1770's A few votes the other way and the Continental Congress would have adopted German as our national language. 1930's A few more Hitler sympathizers like grandpa Bush and America would have been an Axis ally. Wow, talk about manifest destiny!

Wir müssen die Engländer ausrotten!

 

[Zargon]

Also, I don't think WW2 vets would appreciate how the younger generation sees all of them as being stationed in Europe. Most of the US efforts were against Japan. A good way to respect people who fight in a war is to at least remember WHO they were fighting against.

perhaps no one has brought up the War in the Pacific because it wasnt part of the email being discussed, and not because the posters have no idea it happened?

What Japan did in WW2 was equally as bad as anyone else, they RAPED china, hard. were just as bad to POW's as the Nazi's.

Funny you touting us being too stupid to know what people did in WW2 while you seemed to forget we were fighting the Axis in africa well before D-Day.

Haven't you seen The Big Red One? hell they even talk about it Saving Private Ryan 😀

1770's A few votes the other way and the Continental Congress would have adopted German as our national language. 1930's A few more Hitler sympathizers like grandpa Bush and America would have been an Axis ally. Wow, talk about manifest destiny!

one vote the other way you wouldnt be here to post :awe:

 

[Nemesis 1]

Nationalism May be all that , But its better than OWG. Were a country like england gets to use world resources instead of its own . Which isn't much . Its the Britts that want OWG . Because their raping of the world is coming to an end.

 

[FerrelGeek]

1770's A few votes the other way and the Continental Congress would have adopted German as our national language. 1930's A few more Hitler sympathizers like grandpa Bush and America would have been an Axis ally. Wow, talk about manifest destiny!

You forgot old man Kennedy.

 

[Turin39789]

Actually what you heard was the man saying to himself...hmmm

Actually I read nothing in Wiki -pedia or any history books of the French ever training the Contenential army!!

I did read of foreigners from other countries training....but no french soldiers!

What I do know is that washington`s troops were trained by Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben. German-born American Revolutionary officer. He joined the Prussian army at 16 and was a captain in the Seven Years' War. After the war he retired from the army and became court chamberlain for the prince of Hohenzollern-Hechingen; at some unknown date he apparently was created a baron. Recommended to George Washington, he arrived in America in 1777. Appointed to train the Continental forces at Valley Forge, Pa., he produced a disciplined fighting force that became the model for the entire Continental Army. He was appointed inspector general of the army and was promoted to major general (1778), and he helped command the Siege of Yorktown.

You are greatly exagerating the role Francxe played in our revolutionary war!!
troops -- 4-1...nah maybe 2 to 1...or at times when amassed 3-1 for certain battles!!

hmmmm..you could hear a pin drop...

Lol. Troll Thread is Troll.


Vergennes. They supplied our army and bankrupted France doing so.

Lafayette. Beaumarchais.

 

[Amused]

Amusing stories, but we all owe the French a great debt as well.

Were it not for one French man and his army, the Islamic expansion during the dark ages very well could have swallowed Europe and the dark ages would still be here. An amazing feat, really given the state of affairs in Europe at the time.

So raise a toast to the French and Charles Martel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Martel

The Allies may have saved France from the Germans (twice) but they did save us from the Islamic expansion.

 

[DesiPower]

Amusing stories, but we all owe the French a great debt as well.

Were it not for one French man and his army, the Islamic expansion during the dark ages very well could have swallowed Europe and the dark ages would still be here. An amazing feat, really given the state of affairs in Europe at the time.

So raise a toast to the French and Charles Martel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Martel

The Allies may have saved France from the Germans (twice) but they did save us from the Islamic expansion.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[Craig234]

Oh also the 1953 example EVERYONE brings up, it was mostly England who didnt want the Iranian government to nationalize their oil company. We were involved but we were not the only ones.

From wiki

In 1951 with near unanimous support of Iran's parliament, Mosaddegh nationalized the British-owned Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC). "The 1933 agreement under which it was operating was widely regarded as exploitative and an infringement on Iran's sovereignty.

Britain was unwilling to negotiate its single most valuable foreign asset, and instigated a military blockade of Iran and worldwide boycott of Iranian oil to pressure Iran economically.[10] Initially, Britain mobilized its military to seize control of the Abadan oil refinery, the world's largest, but Prime Minister Attlee opted instead to tighten the economic boycott.[11] With a change to more conservative governments in both Britain and the United States, Churchill and Dwight D. Eisenhower decided to overthrow Iran's government.

Not saying we are innocent, but I think that everyone involved should assume responsibility.

Not responsible? England wrongly, to protect their corrupt arrangement) asked us for help, and we then were totally responsible for the operation.

Theodore Roosevelt's grandson Kermit Roosevelt led the CIA's first covert operation specifically designed to get rid of democracy and put in a puppet who would represent our interests and not the Iranian people's. The US not only got rid of the democracy, but recruited and arm-twisted the reluctant puppet, and gave him a ready-made force to maintain his power against the people doing what we did after 1776.

England shares the responsibility morally, but not in any dominant way, that was us.

Read the book 'Blowback' - a term the CIA invented itself for the 'unintended consequences' of its Iran operation - for understanding the history better.

 

[rudder]

Our space program makes me proud... to boldy go where no one has gone before... and to make countries whose populations are largely muslim to feel good about their contribution to the sciences over the years!


yeh yeh the first part was ripped from star trek... so sue me.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Latin babes?? Dont'ja just wanna kick'em back across the border?

she's part Lebanese.