I do thank you for the long post, and I did read it fully.
And I repay the favor with.. well, a longer than long post.. im not even sure if it will make sense
My greatest concern in their "best interest" is this... Like me the person just changed Carriers, this person moved into Piping and Mechanical Engineering. Their old computer chokes badly on cad- running and rendering the 3d models, and calculation and saving the archiving the final project to DVD (external 4x). It?s not gaming, but sometimes the projects are huge, bigger than just surfing the web, or casual computer use. And yes the system does meet the MIN requirements of the programs he is using. Still slower than snot.
My computer is Intel P4 3.2g notebook with 1gig of memory, 9800 ATI all-in-wonder, 80ghd, 17? screen.
Sometimes mine takes forever to do what he wants to do. Like I said in my first post, I have not built a pc in a long time, and I?m not up to snuff on new PC technology.
I do not know if there is a real difference speed wise between ultra ATA and SATA, when it comes to the CAD Applications. I can say I can get a Seagate 160 ultra ATA for 29.00 after 80$ check at BestBuy of all places. (I saw after my last post). And a 120 Sata for 77$. (Which I am looking into.)
http://www.seagate.com/products/interface/sata/faq.html
1-5% Difference.. Ok just saved a bunch of money there...
I have never used a Jetway, epox, chaintech, asrocks, motherboard before and I have never sold them to anyone else before, known anyone whose had one(except epox), or had to work on one, so I don?t know how reliable they really are or how fast one will burn up or need to be replaced because of cheap conductors or something. . I haven?t looked at any of this stuff for years. I don?t know which cores are truly better, verses one another. Or which socket processor would be better. This is another reason for this post. They might be the most upgradeable... But they might be the biggest piles of pooh also. I have no exp with them...
(the exp I do have says stick with the msi, ecs , asus, abit, dfi, giga-byte. Yes, abit, msi, and giga-bytes can be iffy sometimes.)
They did go a long time with the k7 motherboard without upgrading. However, this new carrier path will generate the need to upgrade more often than what was needed before. Not to mention their child is much older, and wants to play games on it. But it won?t be dedicated to that.
So they asked for the most for what they could afford?.
(And yes there is the word afford.) The conversation started at work with, ?I?m thinking about buying (and by buying he meant buy it, paid for that day, have it on Friday) A gateway Fx400x, what do you think about this? (Which would cost 1,519.95.)? Ok, I should of said go ahead and pay for it... I said I could probably make one for fewer than 600. They said I want to see you do it for 400 (challenge)... I said ill look at the old system and see what I can do. It?s old. 400$ is less than a day?s worth of pay to both of us (overtime pay, which we get too much of.)
So can they AFFORD the extra 150$ OHH YEAH... and what is the real budget?? Around 1.5? Why are my chops are being busted over 150$ when they wanted to spend 2k. Payback for something at work.
I stand firm at a quality 939 pci-e system for 550$ that?s not OEM.
I can make a quality 754 Pci-e system for 344$ that?s not OEM/used.
But I would STRONGLY suggest to him knowing everything he wants to go with the 550$
If they want a truly cheap system they can buy a dell. I can?t beat dell on cheap.. And I have suggested it. However, they asked how upgradeable is it?? Who knows till it its too late. Again haven?t seen the inside of a dell in years.. I?m not missing pro parts.
But that is neither here nor there and hugely off the topic for this forum.
If I was building a pc for my father who is a casual internet browser, who burns a cd from time to time, I would not hesitate to buy the 754 socket, and buy the slower 2.6 cpu. Not because I?m cheap, but because he wouldn?t know, and wouldn?t every push the 2.6.
However, I feel there is a middle ground between the KIA(344$) and the Mercedes Benz(950$), and that is what I am trying to reach here.. Maybe it?s the Honda civic, Or Toyota corolla of Pc?s decent quality for a decent price.
I don?t want to suggest cheap for the sake of being cheap... I know of some REALY cheap stuff out there. If it breaks more than likely I have to fix it or replace it or RMA it. I don?t want that headache. This all seems a bit off topic.
The topic was if there was 939 sempron cpu- retail.
However the topic of FUTURE_PROOF has come up.. I don?t think you guys are taking it that same way I am when I say that. I don?t belive in furute proof, but I do belive that the 1000$ fx chip will fall to 100$ in the future, and there is no point in spending 1000$ for a chip when 146$ will get you everything you need. And in a 1-3 years when you have 100$ to spend to get the exstra 2.0g?s out of the system, buy the 55fx chip then. If the mother board will house a Fx 55 chip, buy it when it makes sence to buy it. You are saying it won?t work? Why is that? if it works now, it will work then... maybe you have to update the bios..
I can still buy new slot A althon 850?s. They are about 5 years old now. If I had bought a MB that houses an atholon 850, put an athlon 700 slot a on it. And wanted to upgrade that 700 to 850.. Why would the motherboard not work?? When they came out they cost about 700$ five years later, now they cost about 30. It?s the same chip.. So why would the motherboard not work with it???
Granted slot A is a good reference to a technology that died fast.
Socket A?s are about 4 years old, you can still buy those. And they are still very durable machines. My home server is a socket A... And it will keep living for a year or two. It?s about 3-4 years old had a 1.3 chip on it (overclocked to 1.8+). Updated the bios on the ECS motherboard and what do you know it will house a 3.0 (overclocks great) althon xp cpu that?s pretty good for a board that maxed out at 2.1 originally. The only upgrades I have made to the system are mem+, OS, updated the ROM-drives, and + HD. And that is/ will be a 5 good years out of that motherboard, because I didn?t buy the cheapest thing I could find. But I did buy it on a budget. And in a year, what motherboard socket will I probaly end up buying to replace it? Probably 939...
When I bought the motherboard I used the same logic then that I?m using now.
Buy a very flexible board, go cheap on the CPU, and update it later.
The board im suggesting houses the fx 55 chip. Ones that fit it now, are made now, and and someone will have them in the future available for sale...
Now if you are saying that the 939 is not going to be around in the future 3-5 years, then where is that 754 going to be??
Now I?m not saying furutre proof like if they came up with a IEE3000 firewire with a hexagonal plug whould the motherboard be able to use it?? Probably not without buying a daughter board to support it.
Or like USB 2.0, you are correct there are no USB 2.0 ports on the board itself. There are no USB1 ports on the board itself.. However it does have 2 usb 2.0 and 3 fire wire ports on the computer in the form of pci cards.
So you say.. ?The only way to be future proof right now is to get a dual core processor so you can use multithreaded programs when they come out. But, by the time they start coming out in droves, we'll have socket M2.?
So lets look at that sentence.. the future is dual core chips? the programs are not out yet..
Well here help me UNDERSTAND the x2/ 64-bit/ fx chips problem.. so we can get down to the nuts and bolts of this argument?
1)IF 64bit is the future, and you want to get the most for your money, and your not
worried about a budget, which do you buy now?
spend 133$ on the sempron/ athlon 64 motherboard w/ the Sempron 64bit 3.0g CPU.
spend 131$ on the sempron/athlon 64 motherboard w/ sempron 32bit 3.0g cpu
spend 222$ on the sempron/ althon/64/x2/FX MB w/ althon 64bit 3.0g CPU.
2)Which MB do you think you would have to throw away first because of limited CPU options?
Sempron/Athlon 64
Sempron/Athlon64/x2/FX
3)Two years have past, which motherboard do you think you will have to throw first because it?s the leaste upgradeable?
Sempron/Athlon 64
Sempron/Athlon64/x2/FX
That?s what I mean by in the future.
I hope that clears things up for you all a little bit..
