A different kind of science denial

[Jhhnn]

If the science doesn't exist then it doesn't have to be denied-

https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/02/op-ed-the-story-behind-the-satellite-that-trump-wants-dead/

 

[Puffnstuff]

Trump is the epitome of ignorance.

 

[realibrad]

If the science doesn't exist then it doesn't have to be denied-

https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/02/op-ed-the-story-behind-the-satellite-that-trump-wants-dead/

This makes me happy, in that I can now bash on the Right for something on this forum. This is 100% a way Trump can push back science that the Right seems to hate. Climate change and CO2 are linked, and this is an attempt to hide some of the data. Others will get something into place, but there will be a lag and for Trump that is all he needs. Hopefully people push back and we dont just sit by on things like this.

 

[Puffnstuff]

This makes me happy, in that I can now bash on the Right for something on this forum. This is 100% a way Trump can push back science that the Right seems to hate. Climate change and CO2 are linked, and this is an attempt to hide some of the data. Others will get something into place, but there will be a lag and for Trump that is all he needs. Hopefully people push back and we dont just sit by on things like this.

This may provoke a company like SpaceX to launch their own without him being involved.

 

[realibrad]

This may provoke a company like SpaceX to launch their own without him being involved.

I was watching the boosters land before I got into work. Amazing times for space.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I was watching the boosters land before I got into work. Amazing times for space.

I was reading cost estimates comparing BFR to SLS where SpaceX could have 11 launches for the price of one SLS launch.

 

[realibrad]

I was reading cost estimates comparing BFR to SLS where SpaceX could have 11 launches for the price of one SLS launch.

Amazing things can be done in the free market. My dream has always been to go to space. I really mean that. As a kid my family did a lot of camping and one of the places we went the mos was Kibbie Lake in CA. No light pollution so you could see all the stars, and satellites. Space is just amazing and if I can get up there to see it, I will spend as much as I can to do it.

 

[Jhhnn]

This may provoke a company like SpaceX to launch their own without him being involved.

Wishful thinking. They're in it for the money, not the science.

 

[realibrad]

Wishful thinking. They're in it for the money, not the science.

So Elon wants to populate Mars to mitigate humans if they do something stupid on Earth which would be well outside of his lifetime, but its for money?

 

[Puffnstuff]

Wishful thinking. They're in it for the money, not the science.

I sure that such a project would receive appropriate backing since it affects all inhabitants on the planet.

 

[realibrad]

I sure that such a project would receive appropriate backing since it affects all inhabitants on the planet.

Is climate change denial not an example to the otherwise though? I can see the worry.

 

[Zorba]

I was reading cost estimates comparing BFR to SLS where SpaceX could have 11 launches for the price of one SLS launch.

1) SLS has always been corporate welfare for the former shuttle contractors. It'll never be acost effective or efficient vehicle.
2) The numbers for SLS likely include diluted development costs, while the BFR doesn't, at least not from public funding.
3) I'm not sure SpaceX is holding itself to the same safety/cert requirements NASA is.

That said, BFR is probably much closer to an ideal design than SLS will ever be, except for the extreme number of failure points.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Is climate change denial not an example to the otherwise though? I can see the worry.

I'm speaking of private sector funding and should've clarified that. Such a capability is a package that could be incorporated into a communications satellite as most are multi-function units anyways. There are ways to accomplish this task if a person is so inclined without involving the federal government.

 

[realibrad]

I'm speaking of private sector funding and should've clarified that. Such a capability is a package that could be incorporated into a communications satellite as most are multi-function units anyways. There are ways to accomplish this task if a person is so inclined without involving the federal government.

The world would be far better off in my opinion of we had the market do things instead of the government. Easier to make sure its not being used for shitty things.

 

[woolfe9998]

The world would be far better off in my opinion of we had the market do things instead of the government. Easier to make sure its not being used for shitty things.

Yes, well, unfortunately there is often no profit incentive to do things which are strictly in the public interest. Like putting up a satellite to measure carbon in the atmosphere, or, say, providing affordable healthcare for all.

 

[realibrad]

Yes, well, unfortunately there is often no profit incentive to do things which are strictly in the public interest. Like putting up a satellite to measure carbon in the atmosphere, or, say, providing affordable healthcare for all.

Not profit in terms of money. I do not think Elon wants to colonize Mars because of money, but he is getting something out of it.

 

[Jhhnn]

So Elon wants to populate Mars to mitigate humans if they do something stupid on Earth which would be well outside of his lifetime, but its for money?

It's scifi fantasy & whataboutism. The technological challenge in creating self sufficient colonies on Mars may be insurmountable no matter how much effort is expended to do so. We certainly won't be making the attempt any time in the near future.

We have one planet. It's probably the only one we'll ever have. It behooves us to learn as much as is reasonably possible about how it works as a system to maintain life, particularly human life.

 

[sandorski]

The world would be far better off in my opinion of we had the market do things instead of the government. Easier to make sure its not being used for shitty things.

Before you Happy End the Market, just keep in mind that Government paved the way for Space Travel(and many other things) for the Market in the first place.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Before you Happy End the Market, just keep in mind that Government paved the way for Space Travel(and many other things) for the Market in the first place.

Is it too early in this thread for this?

 

[dphantom]

OCO2 will continue to provide data. OCO3 can be delayed until funding is available. No loss of science.

 

[trenchfoot]

Science exposes Trump for what he really is: An ignoramus that hates people and things that points that out to him. Add to that how science also points out how being a hyper-profiteer at the expense of destroying our world as we know it is very bad juju and now we have Trump totally at war with science and the 99.9% of the population who is smarter than he is.

So we gave him the power to not only prove to us that we were all wrong about his notoriously crippled intellect, we also gave him the power to seek and exact revenge on all of those who see right through the facade he's put up with a wall of cash and his very hard earned experience at pick pocketing people's wallets and purses while he's charming them with a honey wagon's load of fresh steaming BS.

Now, personally, I didn't ask for this. However some other folks who got hoodwinked by Trump's sharpened and honed talents at conning the gullible into helping him buying things for himself of which they will inevitably get left holding the proverbial empty bag as he shags it well away from them, they're refusing to believe that Trump would do such a thing to them for the very same reasons they got took by him in the first place.

So now they support every other thing Trump's addled mind can come up with including those things that they formerly knew without a doubt was bad for themselves in every possible way (like climate change) and horror of horrors, they're in control of the party whose very existence relies on keeping these folks in this deluded state of denial that they either willingly bought into or got very well played into it.

They got turned on themselves and got convinced that they really had to in order to keep the order that keeps them trapped in this way.

Sad to see this, but only because the damage is all encompassing and not exclusive to the folks who brought this on.

 

[woolfe9998]

Not profit in terms of money. I do not think Elon wants to colonize Mars because of money, but he is getting something out of it.

Elon Musk is an exception to the general rule. He's an eccentric billionaire who is also a kind of techno-idealist and he doesn't necessarily mind spending some of his money for what he deems to be the public good.

But you didn't frame your statement in terms of Musk. You made a more general comment. In general, private enterprise is concerned with very little other than profit, so private enterprise will only solve problems in the general public interest when there happens to be a convergence of public interest and profit motive, which isn't all that often.

 

[Jhhnn]

OCO2 will continue to provide data. OCO3 can be delayed until funding is available. No loss of science.

So that the wealthiest & greediest people on the planet can enjoy tax cuts that won't better their already lavish lifestyles in the slightest? So that we can spend more on the military or build a stupid wall instead?

 

[realibrad]

It's scifi fantasy & whataboutism. The technological challenge in creating self sufficient colonies on Mars may be insurmountable no matter how much effort is expended to do so. We certainly won't be making the attempt any time in the near future.

We have one planet. It's probably the only one we'll ever have. It behooves us to learn as much as is reasonably possible about how it works as a system to maintain life, particularly human life.

First, explain why you brought up whataboutism.

As for living on other planets, we can do it now. The hardest part is getting to Mars.

 

[realibrad]

Before you Happy End the Market, just keep in mind that Government paved the way for Space Travel(and many other things) for the Market in the first place.

Sure, that is history. Its also true that religion was a driver of science. I'm more than happy science is now split from religion.