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Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
So you are putting words in my mouth?
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No, I'll just keep quoting your own to ensure everyone knows who they're dealing with - I can't imagine why anyone would care what you think about anything, given your racist views.
 
"If this is the case, I ask you again: Why didn't Clinton do anything about it in his 8 years to halt an escalating problem before it grew to what it is today? Especially given his wife and her opinions on health care?"

Remember the "Republican Revolution" and the so-called "Contract with America" in 1994?

Get real, OK? The initial attempt was slapped down so hard and so fast by Congress that the issue became Quixotic for the Clintons, something they couldn't touch with a pole... They did reasonably well trying to hold the line against the uber-right tidal wave of disinformation and mental disease commonly represented as thought in those circles...

GK is a pretty mainstream guy, if you've ever listened to his stuff at all, and his point is quite valid, so I'll repeat it-

"The fear of catastrophe could chill the soul but the social compact assures you that if the wasps come after you, if gruesome disease strikes down your child, if you find yourself hopelessly lost, incapable, drowning in despair, running through the rye toward the cliff, then the rest of us will catch you and tend to you and not only your friends but We the People in the form of public servants. This is a basic necessity in a developed society. Men and women make love and have babies in the knowledge that if the baby should be born with cerebral palsy or Down syndrome or a hole in its heart and require heroic care, the people of Minnesota and of St. Paul will stand with you in your dark hour. If you are saddled with trouble too great for a person to bear, you will not be left to perish by the roadside in darkness. Without that assurance, we may as well go live in the woods and take our chances."

He's very warm, and funny, and thoughtful, in ways that no so-called "compassionate conservative" would ever fathom.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Easy Don, you're right, but easy, he's not worth it.
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If I get kicked off this board after 4 1/2 years for criticizing an overt bigot who's been here for 4 months, this isn't the kind of place I want to be anyway. I don't see that happening.
 
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
So you are putting words in my mouth?
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No, I'll just keep quoting your own to ensure everyone knows who they're dealing with - I can't imagine why anyone would care what you think about anything, given your racist views.
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Settle down Don, you can't lose your cool everytime a Racist Wanker opens his festering gob and pure unadulterated rot spews forth. We know what he is and take what he has to say with a jaundiced eye.
 
Remember the "Republican Revolution" and the so-called "Contract with America" in 1994?

Get real, OK? The initial attempt was slapped down so hard and so fast by Congress that the issue became Quixotic for the Clintons, something they couldn't touch with a pole... They did reasonably well trying to hold the line against the uber-right tidal wave of disinformation and mental disease commonly represented as thought in those circles...
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Democrats controlled both houses of the 103rd congress (1992). Clinton was able to do just about anything he wanted. But I guess you would rather blame it on the Republicans.

http://pdfs.rlpgbooks.com/RL/PGC/RLPGCopyEditingTest.pdf
 
Well, GG, as I'm sure you know, Dems aren't very disciplined, and it only took a few of them to cross the line in the 103rd Congress to hand the Clintons their butts on a stick over healthcare. the other six years- you figure it out.

Republicans have absolutely no intention of finding ways to increase healthcare coverage- their faith in so-called free markets will see to that. Outsourcing and illegal immigration effectively depress wages and healthcare coverage at the same time... but they're good for profits and executive compensation, very good indeed. If employment and wages had kept up with either over the last three years, there wouldn't be a problem... but that's not the way the power game is played...
 
daveshel:

G.K. may be the only Missouri Synod Lutheran who could be remotely called liberal. I wouldn't call him liberal to his face because I don't know enough about him. I do know he is very tolerant and loves struggling musicians and corny humor. (anyone who could tell the fish taking a pee joke is my kind of man) For those virtues he gets my undying admiration.

-Robert
 
Don:

Without guys like G.G. we might be lulled into a narcotic-like belief in the humanity of man. Misguided souls are here to help us remember which road we are on or SHOULD be on or, worse, COULD be on. 🙂

I actually think folks like G.G. are just like me-struggling to make sense out of a world that often doesn't make sense. That process means that we frequently ask the wrong questions or give the wrong answers. 🙂

Otherwise, why post if you don't have a natural inclination to communicate ideas effectively and promote your views as the best?

The major flaw of this is that few of us are willing to admit that our words have forked no truths.

Ultimately, man suffers from a terminal case of hubris which will destroy him and leave the bacteria and viruses in charge, which must be what God intended. 🙂

-Robert
 
Originally posted by: chess9
Don:

Without guys like G.G. we might be lulled into a narcotic-like belief in the humanity of man. Misguided souls are here to help us remember which road we are on or SHOULD be on or, worse, COULD be on. 🙂

I actually think folks like G.G. are just like me-struggling to make sense out of a world that often doesn't make sense. That process means that we frequently ask the wrong questions or give the wrong answers. 🙂

Otherwise, why post if you don't have a natural inclination to communicate ideas effectively and promote your views as the best?

The major flaw of this is that few of us are willing to admit that our words have forked no truths.

Ultimately, man suffers from a terminal case of hubris which will destroy him and leave the bacteria and viruses in charge, which must be what God intended. 🙂

-Robert
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Jesus, Chess9, I'm glad you didn't throw in there that Bush would win. I'd a probably gotten depressed. 😀
 
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Republican:

Oh give me a break.. is this guy a full blown communist or what? Do we not take cost into consideration AT ALL? If not.. why is 4 minutes acceptable? What if the person dies in 2? Or 1? Or less than a minute? If a 4 minute response is good, surely a 2 minute response is BETTER? We are talking people lives here.. how can we put a price on that?

Lets hire 10 times the amount of EMT's we currently have for every city.. and triple the amount people pay in taxes to pay for it.. after all, its peoples lives, can we put a cost on that? Then lets hire 10 times the amount of Doctors, and increase the amount of equipment they have by 10 times... How can we possible put people's lives at risk by only having a couple doctors?

This article is an utter joke.. The COST of providing services MUST be taken into consideration. Otherwise we may as well tax people 100% and just throw out any personal freedoms...

Concerning the mother who killed her child because she is depressed... The child WAS being taken care of, the author admits to that.. the sick, twisted, demented, WORTHLESS mother.. decided that SHE would decide what fate the child would have.. and decided she would SLIT THE CHILDS THROAT WITH A KNIFE! The child was being cared for, and nursed back to heath.. and the mother decides that the child is in too much misery and slits its throat? How is that the fault of Republicans? The system was working as designed, and this sick **** of a mother decides to kill her baby because she is depressed? Then takes her own life? Good.. she is better off dead.. And if she didn't kill herself I would have been in favor of her receiving the death penalty. There are no excuses for killing your child.. period.
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I would ask everyone not to base their opinions of an entire political party on the rantings of one person on a message board, as he does not represent the general opinion of all Republicans.
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Fer crap sake, Orsorum, what gave you the idea that that was what I did. In fact I fit him in as a
Republican because he fit the type, not the other way round. But thanks for the concern. 😀
 
This is someone who had never been particularly political. The book seems to be getting good reviews. I wonder if he is thinking about running for office.
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I'd vote for him if he promises to stop singing...
 
Moonbeam:

Oh, and of course, Bush is still going to win. 🙂

Yeah, opinions are like onions but with a side helping of pi.

Please don't get depressed on us, Moonie. You might start sounding like a Republican.

Good grief, bite my own tongue, child! 🙂

-Robert, who believes in the Lazy Democrat Theory of Elections.
 
Oh, and of course, Bush is still going to win. 🙂

Oh thanks alot. Now if I could only transport onto a small iceburg destined to float out into warmer waters.
 
How did the Party of Lincoln and Liberty transmogrify into the party of Newt Gingrich?s evil spawn and their Etch-A-Sketch president, a dull and rigid man, whose philosophy is a jumble of badly sutured body parts trying to walk?
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/979/
By Garrison Keillor



Something has gone seriously haywire with the Republican Party. Once, it was the party of pragmatic Main Street businessmen in steel-rimmed spectacles who decried profligacy and waste, were devoted to their communities and supported the sort of prosperity that raises all ships. They were good-hearted people who vanquished the gnarlier elements of their party, the paranoid Roosevelt-haters, the flat Earthers and Prohibitionists, the antipapist antiforeigner element. The genial Eisenhower was their man, a genuine American hero of D-Day, who made it OK for reasonable people to vote Republican. He brought the Korean War to a stalemate, produced the Interstate Highway System, declined to rescue the French colonial army in Vietnam, and gave us a period of peace and prosperity, in which (oddly) American arts and letters flourished and higher education burgeoned?and there was a degree of plain decency in the country. Fifties Republicans were giants compared to today?s. Richard Nixon was the last Republican leader to feel a Christian obligation toward the poor.

In the years between Nixon and Newt Gingrich, the party migrated southward down the Twisting Trail of Rhetoric and sneered at the idea of public service and became the Scourge of Liberalism, the Great Crusade Against the Sixties, the Death Star of Government, a gang of pirates that diverted and fascinated the media by their sheer chutzpah, such as the misty-eyed flag-waving of Ronald Reagan who, while George McGovern flew bombers in World War II, took a pass and made training films in Long Beach. The Nixon moderate vanished like the passenger pigeon, purged by a legion of angry white men who rose to power on pure punk politics. ?Bipartisanship is another term of date rape,? says Grover Norquist, the Sid Vicious of the GOP. ?I don?t want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.? The boy has Oedipal problems and government is his daddy.

The party of Lincoln and Liberty was transmogrified into the party of hairy-backed swamp developers and corporate shills, faith-based economists, fundamentalist bullies with Bibles, Christians of convenience, freelance racists, misanthropic frat boys, shrieking midgets of AM radio, tax cheats, nihilists in golf pants, brownshirts in pinstripes, sweatshop tycoons, hacks, fakirs, aggressive dorks, Lamborghini libertarians, people who believe Neil Armstrong?s moonwalk was filmed in Roswell, New Mexico, little honkers out to diminish the rest of us, Newt?s evil spawn and their Etch-A-Sketch president, a dull and rigid man suspicious of the free flow of information and of secular institutions, whose philosophy is a jumble of badly sutured body parts trying to walk. Republicans: The No.1 reason the rest of the world thinks we?re deaf, dumb and dangerous.

Rich ironies abound! Lies pop up like toadstools in the forest! Wild swine crowd round the public trough! Outrageous gerrymandering! Pocket lining on a massive scale! Paid lobbyists sit in committee rooms and write legislation to alleviate the suffering of billionaires! Hypocrisies shine like cat turds in the moonlight! O Mark Twain, where art thou at this hour? Arise and behold the Gilded Age reincarnated gaudier than ever, upholding great wealth as the sure sign of Divine Grace.

Here in 2004, George W. Bush is running for reelection on a platform of tragedy?the single greatest failure of national defense in our history, the attacks of 9/11 in which 19 men with box cutters put this nation into a tailspin, a failure the details of which the White House fought to keep secret even as it ran the country into hock up to the hubcaps, thanks to generous tax cuts for the well-fixed, hoping to lead us into a box canyon of debt that will render government impotent, even as we engage in a war against a small country that was undertaken for the president?s personal satisfaction but sold to the American public on the basis of brazen misinformation, a war whose purpose is to distract us from an enormous transfer of wealth taking place in this country, flowing upward, and the deception is working beautifully.

The concentration of wealth and power in the hands of the few is the death knell of democracy. No republic in the history of humanity has survived this. The election of 2004 will say something about what happens to ours. The omens are not good.

Our beloved land has been fogged with fear?fear, the greatest political strategy ever. An ominous silence, distant sirens, a drumbeat of whispered warnings and alarms to keep the public uneasy and silence the opposition. And in a time of vague fear, you can appoint bullet-brained judges, strip the bark off the Constitution, eviscerate federal regulatory agencies, bring public education to a standstill, stupefy the press, lavish gorgeous tax breaks on the rich.

There is a stink drifting through this election year. It isn?t the Florida recount or the Supreme Court decision. No, it?s 9/11 that we keep coming back to. It wasn?t the ?end of innocence,? or a turning point in our history, or a cosmic occurrence, it was an event, a lapse of security. And patriotism shouldn?t prevent people from asking hard questions of the man who was purportedly in charge of national security at the time.

Whenever I think of those New Yorkers hurrying along Park Place or getting off the No.1 Broadway local, hustling toward their office on the 90th floor, the morning paper under their arms, I think of that non-reader George W. Bush and how he hopes to exploit those people with a little economic uptick, maybe the capture of Osama, cruise to victory in November and proceed to get some serious nation-changing done in his second term.

This year, as in the past, Republicans will portray us Democrats as embittered academics, desiccated Unitarians, whacked-out hippies and communards, people who talk to telephone poles, the party of the Deadheads. They will wave enormous flags and wow over and over the footage of firemen in the wreckage of the World Trade Center and bodies being carried out and they will lie about their economic policies with astonishing enthusiasm.

The Union is what needs defending this year. Government of Enron and by Halliburton and for the Southern Baptists is not the same as what Lincoln spoke of. This gang of Pithecanthropus Republicanii has humbugged us to death on terrorism and tax cuts for the comfy and school prayer and flag burning and claimed the right to know what books we read and to dump their sewage upstream from the town and clear-cut the forests and gut the IRS and mark up the constitution on behalf of intolerance and promote the corporate takeover of the public airwaves and to hell with anybody who opposes them.

This is a great country, and it wasn?t made so by angry people. We have a sacred duty to bequeath it to our grandchildren in better shape than however we found it. We have a long way to go and we?re not getting any younger.

Dante said that the hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who in time of crisis remain neutral, so I have spoken my piece, and thank you, dear reader. It?s a beautiful world, rain or shine, and there is more to life than winning.
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Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
<BR>Full Health Care Benefits for all Americans or crush the weak.
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<BR>:roll:<BR><BR>How many Americans were without health care under the Clinton administration? Both sides are full of empty promises in this department.
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During Clintons admin, I had health care. He(WJC) certainly did not get me my health care, however. During Bush, lost my health care. Could no longer afford it. He certainly did nothing to help. I am tired of both sides saying they are going to reform the astronomical cost of health care. No one does a damn thing about it.
 
Originally posted by: chess9
Great piece! The man's a genius....

Thanks, daveshel!

-Robert
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It's a brilliant article. If Kerry only could get out that message in a comprehensible form to those impressed by the flagflogging RNC show he would have nothing to worry about.

 
Originally posted by: Crimson
Oh give me a break.. is this guy a full blown communist or what? Do we not take cost into consideration AT ALL? If not.. why is 4 minutes acceptable? What if the person dies in 2? Or 1? Or less than a minute? If a 4 minute response is good, surely a 2 minute response is BETTER? We are talking people lives here.. how can we put a price on that?<BR><BR>Lets hire 10 times the amount of EMT's we currently have for every city.. and triple the amount people pay in taxes to pay for it.. after all, its peoples lives, can we put a cost on that? Then lets hire 10 times the amount of Doctors, and increase the amount of equipment they have by 10 times... How can we possible put people's lives at risk by only having a couple doctors?<BR><BR>This article is an utter joke.. The COST of providing services MUST be taken into consideration. Otherwise we may as well tax people 100% and just throw out any personal freedoms...<BR><BR>Concerning the mother who killed her child because she is depressed... The child WAS being taken care of, the author admits to that.. the sick, twisted, demented, WORTHLESS mother.. decided that SHE would decide what fate the child would have.. and decided she would SLIT THE CHILDS THROAT WITH A KNIFE! The child was being cared for, and nursed back to heath.. and the mother decides that the child is in too much misery and slits its throat? How is that the fault of Republicans? The system was working as designed, and this sick **** of a mother decides to kill her baby because she is depressed? Then takes her own life? Good.. she is better off dead.. And if she didn't kill herself I would have been in favor of her receiving the death penalty. There are no excuses for killing your child.. period.
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oh thats rich. you'd make hitler proud.

so there you've got it, how does it feel to drag the arguement to your level?

and you talk of fiscal responsibility. what a joke. the most often repeated attack by the repubs is based on repubs utter lack of fiscal responsibility. that kerry "voted for 89billion before he voted against it". kerry wanted to pay for armor for our soldiers with tax money, and voted as such. the repubs would have none of that. roll back tax cuts for the wealthy to pay for body armor for the troops? no, thats YOUR MONEY! better to deficit spend then pay for such trivial things such as body armor huh😛 and then the repubs like you are so shameless, so without integrity that you'd actually use such a thing to bash kerry.

pretty sad.
 
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