A Creationists View of Dinosaurs and the Theory of Evolution

[AViking]

I've put in tons of effort. Even picked up a copy of On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.

You haven't grasped even the most basic tenant of science so you're not fooling anyone.

 

[zinfamous]

I've put in tons of effort. Even picked up a copy of On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.

So are you ignoring the volumes of modern genetic and molecular evidence?


Serious question, and I hope it isn't too personal, but you claim to have been rather rude these days, anyway, so you probably won't be bothered too much:

--How true was Jesus for you before he saved you from alcohol?
And is the truth of Jesus the single lynchpin that keeps you away from the booze?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Or cake vs pie. Up to you.

http://www.boreme.com/posting.php?id=27913 Skycake is sooooo delicious!

 

[rudeguy]

So are you ignoring the volumes of modern genetic and molecular evidence?


Serious question, and I hope it isn't too personal, but you claim to have been rather rude these days, anyway, so you probably won't be bothered too much:

--How true was Jesus for you before he saved you from alcohol?
And is the truth of Jesus the single lynchpin that keeps you away from the booze?

Great question!

I was raised Christian. But fire and brimstone Christian. I was a sinner and I was going to hell because I sinned. The guy in the fancy robes at church told me so. When I was old enough, I stopped going to church because I already knew I was damned. I then set about living my life for me. Doing what felt good. That didn't work out so hot.

Then I went to AA and met some really great people. People that believed that Jesus was not in a building and he didn't need me to do certain things at certain times. They taught me the truth about Jesus. The He came into the world to save us from our sins. That the only thing needed for me to avoid hell was belief in Jesus.

So yes, Jesus is the reason I am sober. Without changing my ways to follow Him, I would still be lost.

 

[Fritzo]

Holy crap, the science part of my brain is about to blow....can't...control....must...explain.....AGGGHHH!!!

EARLY LIFE WAS LARGER DUE TO THE INCREASED OXYGEN IN EARTH'S PRIMITIVE ATMOSPHERE AND AN ABUNDANCE OF PLANT LIFE AND HUMANS DIDN'T APPEAR UNTIL MILLIONS OF YEARS AFTER THE CRETACEOUS PERIOD WHERE ANIMAL SIZES BEGAN SHRINKING DUE TO INCREASED COMPETITION FOR FOOD AND HUNTER/PREDATORS MADE SMALLER FRAMES AN EVOLUTIONARY ADVANTAGE AND DWARFS ARE A GENETIC MUTATION NOT AN EVOLUTIONARY STEP AND THERE IS NO CORRELATION BETWEEN THE SIZE OF A HUMAN BRAIN AND INTELLIGENCE.....

Sorry...sorry....I feel much better now.

 

[Paul98]

I don't see how the two are related.

I would also venture a bet that I have spent much more time researching these things than 90% of the people posting in this thread. In the Discussion Club thread, evolutionists finally relented that they cannot and will never be able to prove their theories. And in fact, their theories will change over time. So creationists beliefs never change or waiver but evolutionists have to change their beliefs many times to fit whatever the current theory is.

Its the truth vs a guess. I prefer the truth.

No one can ever "Prove" anything in science, but I am sure you missed that if you can't understand evolution.

Theories changing over time is good and how things should work, if they didn't change with new data they would be useless. It's not that the whole of evolution theory will be changed, it's parts of it that aren't completely right, incomplete or wrong that will be changed.

But what I see from your post is that you don't understand science, why or how it works.

 

[rudeguy]

No one can ever "Prove" anything in science, but I am sure you missed that if you can't understand evolution.

Theories changing over time is good and how things should work, if they didn't change with new data they would be useless. It's not that the whole of evolution theory will be changed, it's parts of it that aren't completely right, incomplete or wrong that will be changed.

But what I see from your post is that you don't understand science, why or how it works.

.....and the guy that admitted that logic cannot be used in these things shows up.

 

[Paul98]

.....and the guy that admitted that logic cannot be used in these things shows up.

What the hell are you talking about?

So seems you still have no response to try and counter what I said.

 

[Paul98]

Great question!

I was raised Christian. But fire and brimstone Christian. I was a sinner and I was going to hell because I sinned. The guy in the fancy robes at church told me so. When I was old enough, I stopped going to church because I already knew I was damned. I then set about living my life for me. Doing what felt good. That didn't work out so hot.

Then I went to AA and met some really great people. People that believed that Jesus was not in a building and he didn't need me to do certain things at certain times. They taught me the truth about Jesus. The He came into the world to save us from our sins. That the only thing needed for me to avoid hell was belief in Jesus.

So yes, Jesus is the reason I am sober. Without changing my ways to follow Him, I would still be lost.

Seems your entire life is driven by what other people tell you your religious beliefs should be. Stop, think for yourself don't be pulled in. Though I don't know if it will be possible for your brain to understand after how you were raised. You would have to go into things you weren't taught and start learning things on your own without others telling you how things work.

 

[dougp]

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[Spungo]

Obvious moron is obvious. Ever hear the story of David and Goliath(the giant)?

Now if what he was saying was correct then David was more deteriorated(corrupted by Satan) than Goliath. So why did God show favor on the dude who was corrupted by Satan?

Blacks are taller than whites, therefore blacks are less corrupted.
The gun is good. The penis is evil. The penis shoots seeds, and makes new life to poison the Earth with a plague of men, as once it was, but the gun shoots death, and purifies the Earth of the filth of brutals. Go forth ... and kill! (those with big penises)

This perfectly explains why Asians are shorter and better at math. For a long time, math was evil because it could be used to predict the future, which is something only God is allowed to know (serious, look it up). I believe the name was Hamid Al-Ghazali. Arabs were the peak of pinnacle of civilization until math became evil.

I can't think of any other hateful things to say. Wait, that's not true. Women experience pain during childbirth because bitches listen to snakes and eat apples. A man would keep it real and eat the snake.

 

[SlitheryDee]

What the hell are you talking about?

So seems you still have no response to try and counter what I said.

That discussion thread went exactly how I guessed it did right? (I'm assuming that you participated in it based on Rudeguy's reply)

 

[Fritzo]

I don't see how the two are related.

I would also venture a bet that I have spent much more time researching these things than 90% of the people posting in this thread. In the Discussion Club thread, evolutionists finally relented that they cannot and will never be able to prove their theories. And in fact, their theories will change over time. So creationists beliefs never change or waiver but evolutionists have to change their beliefs many times to fit whatever the current theory is.

Its the truth vs a guess. I prefer the truth.

The difference between scientific and religious view are religion sees a situation, then a small group of people make up an explanation, it is presented as fact, and then evidence is sculpted to fit that view. The main explanation can never be challenged, otherwise it branches off and becomes another religion.

Science sees a situation, breaks down all of the factors involved in the situation, categorizes them, and then puts these factors together in a logical manner to see if it make an explanation. Once a candidate for an explanation is found, it is subjected to peer review to see if everyone agrees. If someone can show why the explanation is wrong, it is scraped and the process starts over. Once a solid explanation is found that everyone agrees with, it becomes a theory of the most likely thing that caused that situation. This theory may change if other unforeseen evidence comes to light.

So, in a nutshell, religion states its facts and then gathers evidence afterwards, where science gathers evidence first and then draws a conclusion. This is why we've made more advancements with science than we have with religion.

 

[Paul98]

People believing this crap would be funny if it wasn't so sad. It's worse than the ancient alien stuff. Shows a lack of intelligence in a vital area. This may be fixable in the future as neuroscience continues to get better. There are already devices out there that allow you to learn new things much quicker, and helps with other things also. Or help get your brain out of a rut that is stopping it from figuring something out.

 

[xSauronx]

this is only an appealing idea because it would have meant giant titties.

 

[Brainonska511]

this is only an appealing idea because it would have meant giant titties.

 

[zinfamous]

Great question!

I was raised Christian. But fire and brimstone Christian. I was a sinner and I was going to hell because I sinned. The guy in the fancy robes at church told me so. When I was old enough, I stopped going to church because I already knew I was damned. I then set about living my life for me. Doing what felt good. That didn't work out so hot.

Then I went to AA and met some really great people. People that believed that Jesus was not in a building and he didn't need me to do certain things at certain times. They taught me the truth about Jesus. The He came into the world to save us from our sins. That the only thing needed for me to avoid hell was belief in Jesus.

So yes, Jesus is the reason I am sober. Without changing my ways to follow Him, I would still be lost.

OK, thanks for sharing.

:thumbsup:

 

[BudAshes]

I've put in tons of effort. Even picked up a copy of On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.

I always find it interesting that Christians think proving evolution wrong will somehow prove their theory right. It is a team sport mentality that has no basis on reality. Even if evolution was wrong and a god did plant us here, the bible would still be nonsense based on stories passed down from ancient human ancestors who could only read and write a few thousand years ago.

 

[rudeguy]

I always find it interesting that Christians think proving evolution wrong will somehow prove their theory right. It is a team sport mentality that has no basis on reality. Even if evolution was wrong and a god did plant us here, the bible would still be nonsense based on stories passed down from ancient human ancestors who could only read and write a few thousand years ago.

I was told to research evolution. I advised that I already have.

But then again, using your thought process...all of ancient history is nonsense. How can we believe that Ancient Egypt existed? All we have to go by is stories passed down and some weirdo's carvings on a wall. I mean...who does that?

 

[surfsatwerk]

I was told to research evolution. I advised that I already have.

But then again, using your thought process...all of ancient history is nonsense. How can we believe that Ancient Egypt existed? All we have to go by is stories passed down and some weirdo's carvings on a wall. I mean...who does that?

Aliens do that... aliens that live amongst us.

 

[Brainonska511]

I was told to research evolution. I advised that I already have.

You clearly haven't done a good job then. There is plenty of strong evidence to support the theory of evolution. Just because you either a) don't believe it, or b) don't understand it, doesn't mean that evolution is suddenly not true.

 

[SlitheryDee]

I was told to research evolution. I advised that I already have.

But then again, using your thought process...all of ancient history is nonsense. How can we believe that Ancient Egypt existed? All we have to go by is stories passed down and some weirdo's carvings on a wall. I mean...who does that?

Modern Egypt exists. Ancient Egypt is current Egypt except more ancient. It definitely existed, but some of the stuff that is depicted in those stories or carved on those walls probably didn't happen. It's the same with biblical stories. Most of the places described in the bible existed, but most of the things the bible claims to have happened in those places probably didn't happen.

 

[mmntech]

Who cares, that book isn't hurting me. Books like those are only for people that already believe that stuff. Just more fluff for them.

There are an awful lot of people within the United States that believe that this is the absolute, uncompromising truth. They then take that belief with them to the polls at election time. Which in turn determines how education gets funded, and how science is taught.

The problem with creationism is it's no more or less valid than any other culture's creation myth. They all made sense at the time they were thought up to the people who imagined them.

Christians believe the earth is 6000 years old. This literal account came from Martin Luther. IIRC, medieval monks had come to this conclusion by counting back the ages of characters in the bible to determine the rough age. The Bible doesn't explicitly give a number. This was only a best guess. Both Augustine of Hippo and Thomas Aquinas asserted that the creation story was an allegory not to be taken literally.

For most people living in the early 16th century, it made sense. Writing didn't really evolve until the 4th millennium. Any history prior to that would have been oral. Which of course gets corrupted over time. Modern archaeology, biology, geology, and astronomy had yet to be invented. So there was no way to prove the 6000 year figure wasn't true.

It was the best answer European society had at the time. Then as science evolved, holes began to appear in the creation myth. Human fossils and artifacts were found that were much older than 6000 years. Then they began finding animal and plant fossils that were millions of years old. Then Darwin came up with his theory of evolution studying the changes in these animals. Then we began finding stars that were more than 6000 light years away from us. Then we discovered the cosmic background radiation and came to the conclusion that the universe is 13.8 billion years. That's the best information we have now.

We're still not sure what caused the Big Bang. Maybe it was divine intervention. We lack the tools to know for sure. However, any Christian who continues to view the Bible creation story as being literal with so much evidence against it is a damn fool. Even the founders of their own church said it wasn't. For most of Christian history it wasn't. This is only a recent invention.

 

[rudeguy]

Modern Egypt exists. Ancient Egypt is current Egypt except more ancient. It definitely existed, but some of the stuff that is depicted in those stories or carved on those walls probably didn't happen. It's the same with biblical stories. Most of the places described in the bible existed, but most of the things the bible claims to have happened in those places probably didn't happen.

Please name one

 

[SlitheryDee]

Please name one

A bush that burned yet wasn't consumed that also talked.

A virgin birth.

Angels killing the first born of an entire city.

Demons possessing pigs.

Talking donkeys and snakes.

Returning from the dead.

Angels guarding the corners of a flat world.

Dude being swallowed by a whale and surviving.

Edit: I keep thinking of more.

Floating hands inscribing stuff on a wall

Parting a sea with a stick

Shouting at a wall to make it fall

Glowing Jesus (transfiguration)

Bears killing kids for making fun of male pattern baldness.

etc.